Fire cape compromise. New post by Mod Chris L.

[sarg1010]

Why not just add a new area for strykeworms, an area that REQUIRES you to use the fire cape, and it drops the SoL a little more often, AND hexcrest and the rangewhateverthingymabob. And less tremor attacks or whatever. That way people who have actually gotten a Fire cape can actually put it to good use.

[Shepherdman7]

I think the big question this discussion leads to is this:

Should Jagex be building their games around players with unreliable Internet connections or poorly trained reflexes?

Of course not. This is highly illogical in the gaming world, period. Also, there is no history of Jagex doing this in the past, so why start doing so now?

 

Personally speaking, as someone whose Internet connection lags often (and it does so anytime I attempt Fight Caves), I have to say that I really hope Jagex won't limit themselves like this in the future. If they do, they'll be tying their own hands against making truly elite combat updates. All the best gear in the game will likely forever have to be tradeable so that people with poorly trained reflexes or unreliable connections can obtain it.

 

Now, after several tries, I finally got a fire cape in the last week and a half of working at it. (Aside: My reflexes, which stunk at first, were very noticeably trained in the process.) Afterward, and the same day I got the cape, I found out these changes were to be made. I've gotten over the fact that all my hard work wasn't worth it now, that they are catering to poorly developed reflexes and/or Internet connections with this "fix". Honestly, though, it will be depressing if the game developers have to be restrained by these least common denominators in the future, and they simply shouldn't be.

[Daavorian]

To everyone saying that if someone doesn't have a good connection they shouldn't be playing runescape...have you been so obsessed with RS you haven't heard anything about other games ever? Runescape is THE GAME (damn it...) for people with questionable connections

[Dragonlordjl]

To everyone saying that if someone doesn't have a good connection they shouldn't be playing runescape...have you been so obsessed with RS you haven't heard anything about other games ever? Runescape is THE GAME (damn it...) for people with questionable connections

I lost.

[stonewall337]

Ice Strykewyrms are a PRIVELEGE for people who EARNED the right.

Could not agree with this more.

While we get rid of the Fire Cape requirement let's also throw away the need to do hard quests so we can access everywhere because it's unfair to the people with bad internet and they can't fight boss monsters.

 

all quest boss monsters are easy on laggy computers because they have no ko potential so if you lag out it shouldn't be a problem at least for a short while. while jad is the one exception where if you lag your dead. The only exception to this is nomad but he is predictable, even if you lag you still have to time to predict his attacks and is only a matter of trial and error until you find something that works, ie hiding behind pillar early ect.

 

You just can't compare quests to jad.

So... taking out the Barrelchest... it didn't have ko potential? ...even if it was doing half my hp in damage every swing at the time?

 

Or the inadaquacy, that takes some good effort to even run from, and you must save food for that?

 

Or Nomad, who could 1hit me currently?

 

No. I beat all those things first try, and quite low combat, with plenty of food left.

 

Jad took me 4 tries.

 

And Kal, you are *69* slayer. You really don't have any experience to comment one way or the other on this.

[Sir_Squab]

Don't worry denby, I'm currently writing a reply for that thread and will be putting it across any I find.

 

I don't care what people think on here, but this is my personal feelings and therefore my reply to the thread:

 

"I ABSOLUTELY CANNOT BELIEVE THIS! :o I AM OUTRAGED AND UTTERLY DISGUSTED AND DISAPPOINTED IN JAGEX :@

 

Jagex you have once again given in to the whiners and the whingers of the game that actually do make up the majority. So far, from everything you have done this year, it seems only correct to quote Aneron from Tip.it: "heaven forbid you have to do something that takes just an ounce of skill to access content in this game". The only thing that seems to have stayed the same is the difficulty of Nomad; however I wouldn't hold my breath too long for fear of passing out.

 

I am utterly appalled that you would do this..... On something that has given such good feedback! EVERYONE on TIF has praised you for the high level slayer update. Yes the first few days caused murmurs because of the fire cape achievement; but then it dawned on people. Those who have 93 slayer.... Surely to God by then SHOULD be able to kill Jad..... Even make a mockery out of him.

 

Jagex; you should have the courage of your convictions to ignore the minority or majority of whingers (whichever it is) and not dilute an update that was fine to begin with.

 

This is an upsetting and depressing day. You are going to make a good piece of content just to ruin it? Then I ask myself why should I bother getting myself high skills, or doing things in the game that you need skill for? Sooner or later you're going to do something like this and make that achievement no longer worth while. It took me my first try for my fire cape at 85 defence, 70 range and 70 prayer..... I think that any level 93 slayer should atleast have those stats, and therefore should atleast have an equal chance as I to get past Jad. Heck, all I wanted to do was kill a ket zek for my Karamja Diary.

 

You truly make this rookie sad. Why should I train slayer now? You'll just make the ice wyrms lower because not as many people can access them and they'll whinge about it?

 

I expected better. I... I am speechless and disillusioned."

 

I then put this because I am getting more angry the more I think about it:

 

"I'm double posting here; but still this is one last point I think:

 

If Jagex really stands for "Just About The Gaming Experience" then think of the experience of everyone else. And then think about your own experience. You made the content. You gave the requirements because it was something you enjoyed. How does it feel to see you having to change your work just to cave into the whingers? How does it feel that something you've worked on for months goes to dust because someone doesn't like it?

 

You aren't about the gaming experience. If you were then you'd stick true to your convictions and your experiences. The fact is that if you kept this piece of content you'd listen to more of the whingers with their empty threats to quit and to you that's cash. £3 for members by card up to £6 for members by text. That's £30 for every 10 people that threaten..... That is business talk and business decisions Jagex.

 

When MMG came up, I believed him. I truly did. You have destroyed my trust in you, and probably alot of other players trust. I doubt you'll even bother to reply to this post and even try to work back for a scrap of honour, dignity or trust."

 

Could some please explain how 93 slayer is in any way similar to killing jad? You don't need good internet connection or reflexes or learn not to panic in stressful situations for slayer. And as for stats and gear, those don't count much towards Jad. Pures who are good at prayer switching can kill him with flowers. (I don't know this, but I know pures have killed him and I know he's been killed with flowers.) Personally, I think the compromise was too in favour of people with a firecape, but then again I don't know how many points you need to spend. As for the experience of everyone else, what about the experience of people who have failed 10 times on jad? People who simply do not have the internet connection? Or just simply panic and die? Also, there is a difference between listening to constructive criticism and giving into whiners. Besides, people who have 93 slayer and complain about it aren't likely to be your average immature forum whiner.

 

"I already have the level to kill those but a minigame is preventing me!?" Can you see where the hubbub begins at least? :wink:

 

Not really much difficult than having a slayer monster that, say, requires a quest to access.

 

Personally my thing with the fire cape req is that a quest can be done without a chance of failure and wasting X hours doing it over and over with nothing to show for it.

 

Summer's End.

While Guthix Sleeps.

Nomad's Requiem.

Mourning's End Pt. II.

 

Need I continue?

PAH! Having done Jad and all the quests, none of those come close. Mep2 comes close, with that stupid agility part that I failed 50 times...But failing 50 times takes less then 3 hours. Nomads Requiem and Summers End also has a lot of deaths, but you can go back and try again within 5 minutes. Jad takes 3 hours to try again. And I have no idea why you think WGS is that hard.

 

Life. Isn't. Fair.

 

Either get a fire cape, or don't kill them.

 

If you want zerker (I) you spend 20+ hours getting 300 MA ranks. Should be EASY to get a fire cape in 20 hours.

 

 

1. Not really, 10 Firecape attempts can be up to 30 hours, and even then you might lose.

 

2. Life isn't fair. Deal with people without firecape killing ice strykewyrms?

 

I'm not a 93 slayer nor do i have a firecape yet, but I don't think that the requirement to have a firecape to kill them is unfair. If you can "grind" to 93 slayer then you should be able to spend a couple hours to get a firecape. However, since they did say they were going to change it, I think they should do one of 2 things:

 

1. They should either make very few (maybe 2 or 3) available to kill outside the area they're in now that don't drop staffs.

 

Or...

 

2. They should allow those without a firecape into the caves to kill the icewyrms, but with a significantly lowered drop rate of the SoL and reduced damage done to the icewyms.

 

Just my take on the issue though <_<

 

You forget one thing. You can't grind jad. With slayer, once you put in enough hours, you have 99. With Jad, it isn't guaranteed. Plus, you level up as you do slayer. If you do 3 hours at jad, then lose to jad, you've accomplished nothing except some range exp. Also, leave the sol drop-rate alone. You already need 93 slayer and task to kill them.

 

To play the devil's advocate, you don't have to wait 2 hours before getting to the boss fight in the God Wars Dungeon.

 

In Fight Caves, you can lose your progress if you disconnect in the middle of a wave. You get kicked out and have to start all over again.

 

 

For the people saying they have issues with reflexes and/or internet connection (and advocating the idea of 'time should be able to solve everything in RuneScape'), even if you remove the 2 hours of grinding prior to seeing Jad, they won't be able to beat it anyway, so what makes this point a legitimate argument?

^^

this. Only half the issue is connection.

 

This is mainly about adult players on the RSOF complaining that they can make it to jad but cant kill him. And honestly if they cant handle Jad they dont deserve free mills. (sorry im saying the same thing over again but im trying to beat this logic into peoples heads)

 

This isn't logic. It's an opinion. Logic has reasoning and understanding, not just stubbornly sticking to one point to try and force it down other people's throats.

 

Very disappointing. No reason why people can't get a cape if they have 93 slay

 

I can name one reason: Laggy connections. Its the one main reason i will never attain a fire cape,,, (untill of coure better pc or internt, both i have to pay for comes along)

 

But i, Personally don't care otherwise, just that post above bugged me

And what's stopping you from going to a friend's house? A library?

 

Sigh this is gonna turn into the new should f2p get skill capes debate isn't it?

 

For one you might be in the country where everyones internet connection is the same, if they have any at all.

 

2nd, just personally but the nearest library is a 3 hr round trip.

 

not everyone lives in a city where you can have anything in a 10 minute walk.

 

Then don't play the game. Just because of your personal issues (no money to pay members, no good connection to fight Jad among other dangerous game content), doesn't mean that we compromise on everything. Is the world unfair? I'm glad you realised that. That applies even for a game.

 

But hey, Jagex won't hear us here. I need to devote more time to posting on the RSOF.

 

WHY THE [bleep] DON'T YOU DEAL WITH IT INSTEAD! I AM SICK OF EVERYONE HERE BEING UNABLE TO DEAL WITH THE LACK OF FIRECAPE REQUIREMENT AND TELLING PEOPLE TO SUCK IT UP! WHY DON'T YOU SUCK IT UP AS WELL!

 

Sorry about that, but this is really irratating me.

 

Wewt jagex nerfed the ONLY thing that justified the reward.

 

Idc if they made it cost 10k slayer points, this is about combat expertise not mindless grinding. :thumbdown:

 

On the bright side at least SoL will be cheap (worthless) soon enough

 

Yeah. Afterall, 93 slayer is easy. I have 20 accounts with that, 15 of them with ice strykewyrm tasks.

 

And could someone come up with one good reason to make Jad a requirement? Other then, Jagex shouldn't nerf stuff, it makes it more elite, because 93 slayer and task only isn't enough. As for life not being fair, well, maybe life isn't fair and you need to deal with Jad not being a requirement. Or, if life not being fair is the reason for needing to kill jad, that implies you are criticizing Jagex for being fair? And again, 93 slayer is high level. Also, there's bad internet and there's bad for Jad internet. If you get a couple seconds of lag that messes up your prayer and you get k0ed... A couple seconds of lag every now and then isn't bad for must of RS except PVP and maybe difficult boss monsters. But with a good team, and not tanking....

 

However, after this huge rant, I must add that I dislike the compromise. The firecape doesn't offer a great advantage there anymore. I think perhaps Jagex should make firecape exclusive content that doesn't require something like 93 slayer?

 

And yes, it would have been better if Jagex did this upon release.

[Robert_R]

Well the compromise is decent I guess. It seems fair to have the fire cape make them slightly faster and easier to kill although it isn't required. Doesn't even affect me anyway just sharing my opinion.

 

For anyone thinking this might affect Staff of Light prices, I highly doubt it will do anything due to the fact that

a: I'm sure there isn't a large majority of 93 slayers without a fire cape anyway (with the exceptions of the ones with bad connection)

and b: You still need 93 slayer and a task to kill them.. it's not like they're campable.

[Killer3650]

I bet you... Compromise will be no fire cape to kill,

 

But the dungeon will be so cold it lowers your stats w\o a fire cape..

[Robert_R]

I bet you... Compromise will be no fire cape to kill,

 

But the dungeon will be so cold it lowers your stats w\o a fire cape..

Compromise is already out. Check the quote on the first post.

[TheWilch]

I bet you... Compromise will be no fire cape to kill,

 

But the dungeon will be so cold it lowers your stats w\o a fire cape..

Compromise is already out. Check the quote on the first post.

 

 

his suggestion wasnt half bad though. a compromise like that would have people wishing the would have just kept quiet > super restores are high enough as it is.

[Maximusa]

Well the compromise is decent I guess. It seems fair to have the fire cape make them slightly faster and easier to kill although it isn't required. Doesn't even affect me anyway just sharing my opinion.

 

For anyone thinking this might affect Staff of Light prices, I highly doubt it will do anything due to the fact that

a: I'm sure there isn't a large majority of 93 slayers without a fire cape anyway (with the exceptions of the ones with bad connection)

and b: You still need 93 slayer and a task to kill them.. it's not like they're campable.

 

Totally agree. There isnt much to worry about tbh.

 

The majority of those with 93 slayer without a firecape wont have fast enough connections to avoid the tunnelling attack or eat food fast enough. Even non melee you take alot of damage if you dont have a decent connection or able to react in time. Standing next to a wall wont solve the problem either as their reflexes wont be fast enough to click them before they move away again.There only a couple of extra people who maybe just couldnt be bothered getting the cape who dont experience either of these issues.

 

I feel disappointed jagex made this change but after thinking about it I realise they cannot survive against them for long anyway. It wont change the game much besides seeing a few gravestones during the task. If these problems are as bad as I have heard then its completely justified while not really effecting anyone else.

[Wantmyar]

Why are people complaining that jad takes too long to get to? If you have 93 slayer you have the stats to get caves done in 80 min, especially with a task

[nurserymaid]

The main thing that bugged me about the complaints was the assertion that having a slayer level gives you the "right" to be given an assignment. That's arrant nonsense, you can barely do anything in slayer without completing quests and mithril dragons require the completion of Barbarian Training. The idea of a requirement other than a slayer level to be given an assignment is absolutely not new and people need to be disabused of that notion. Just because, in this instance, they had problems with the requirement doesn't mean that they should conveniently overlook all the other non slayer requirements needed to slay.

 

(I didn't have the cape when the update was released; it never occurred to me to complain about the requirement I just went and got the cape. Since I'd failed at prayer switching the last time I tried, admittedly a couple of years ago, I decided to nuke him... the fight was over in seconds, two decent claw specs and one veng when he hit me for 70 something and fight over... no time for the healers to appear, no time for me to switch prayers, change to my whip or even heal myself it was that fast. I didn't need any skill in the fight, just to be well prepared and lucky. Even someone with dodgy reflexes could manage to do what I did.)

[Carl]

Why are people complaining that jad takes too long to get to? If you have 93 slayer you have the stats to get caves done in 80 min, especially with a task

 

I invite you to read through the previous pages of the thread and you'll see that this has nothing to do with the difficulty of Jad itself.

[Wantmyar]

Why are people complaining that jad takes too long to get to? If you have 93 slayer you have the stats to get caves done in 80 min, especially with a task

 

I invite you to read through the previous pages of the thread and you'll see that this has nothing to do with the difficulty of Jad itself.

I invite you to read the multiple posts saying that if you die to jad you have to work soooo hard to get back to him

[Robert_R]

Why are people complaining that jad takes too long to get to? If you have 93 slayer you have the stats to get caves done in 80 min, especially with a task

 

I invite you to read through the previous pages of the thread and you'll see that this has nothing to do with the difficulty of Jad itself.

I invite you to read the multiple posts saying that if you die to jad you have to work soooo hard to get back to him

+1

 

People who say it takes 3 hours to get to jad and are 93 slayer really should be able to get through those waves in under an hour and a half. Still doesn't really matter though because it's still a decent amount of time spent to get back to jad if you lose.

[Dragonlordjl]

Here's what really rubs me raw about this situation. The most common argument against the Fire Cape requirement is "it excludes people who have disabilities which prevent them from being able to complete it." Well, the average player in RS is something like 15-18 years old. That is way too young to be experiencing "reflex problems" that affect you to the extent where you can't see an animation and respond to it by clicking a fairly large symbol on your prayer interface.

 

Yes, there are indeed some middle-aged (and elderly) people who play and there are people with joint issues that cause extreme pain when they play for prolonged periods, but as I said, they are the MINORITY. The majority of people complaining are just lazy band-wagoners who don't want to sit through the hour-and-a-half (OF NON-CONSECUTIVE PLAY TIME) to get to Jad. And before somebody says it, failing at Jad ten times because you "got nervous and messed up" is NOT a disability.

[1230abcz]

Here's what really rubs me raw about this situation. The most common argument against the Fire Cape requirement is "it excludes people who have disabilities which prevent them from being able to complete it." Well, the average player in RS is something like 15-18 years old. That is way too young to be experiencing "reflex problems" that affect you to the extent where you can't see an animation and respond to it by clicking a fairly large symbol on your prayer interface.

 

Yes, there are indeed some middle-aged (and elderly) people who play and there are people with joint issues that cause extreme pain when they play for prolonged periods, but as I said, they are the MINORITY. The majority of people complaining are just lazy band-wagoners who don't want to sit through the hour-and-a-half (OF NON-CONSECUTIVE PLAY TIME) to get to Jad. And before somebody says it, failing at Jad ten times because you "got nervous and messed up" is NOT a disability.

 

 

Also note that driving takes much more skill than killing Jad. The only reason people don't die in car crashes everyday is because of practice. All you need to kill Jad is hand-eye coordination and some good timing. I wont even list all the things needed to drive a car correctly.

 

And getting to Jad isn't even an issue... I don't know how people who can grind to 93 slayer are complaining about being forced to grind before fighting Jad. This [cabbage] should be their specialty.

[michel555555]

Here's what really rubs me raw about this situation. The most common argument against the Fire Cape requirement is "it excludes people who have disabilities which prevent them from being able to complete it." Well, the average player in RS is something like 15-18 years old. That is way too young to be experiencing "reflex problems" that affect you to the extent where you can't see an animation and respond to it by clicking a fairly large symbol on your prayer interface.

 

Yes, there are indeed some middle-aged (and elderly) people who play and there are people with joint issues that cause extreme pain when they play for prolonged periods, but as I said, they are the MINORITY. The majority of people complaining are just lazy band-wagoners who don't want to sit through the hour-and-a-half (OF NON-CONSECUTIVE PLAY TIME) to get to Jad. And before somebody says it, failing at Jad ten times because you "got nervous and messed up" is NOT a disability.

 

I give anyone this challenge if they think that jad is so easy no matter your connection. Get a satalite high speed service that has a time delay of at least 2 seconds then try and beat jad.

 

Time delay is not lag, time delay is where it takes a certain periode for data to be transfered from your computer to a server because of a satalite and vice versa. In other words when jads emote or sound for attacking apears on your computer two seconds have actually passed. and then it takes another few seconds for the prayer to actaully activate when you click the button.

 

I'm just sick and tired of people just assuming that you can get a decent connection no matter where you live.

[Who]

I'm not that surprised that the Ice Strikewyrm required a Fire Cape. There were two updates in preparation for this:

 

1) TzHaar Update, which included being able to own more than one Fire Cape

2) Kuradel Update, that made Jad a special task.

 

#1 obviously meant that since we could own multiple capes, there would be a secondary use for them.

#2 encouraged #1.

 

With all the new capes introduced into the game after the Fire Cape (Skill Cape, Ardougne Cloak, Soul Wars Cape), it was making it no longer the best cape of choice to wear for all occasions. Making it a requirement for some other content merely breaths life back to the item. Because of this "compromise", it is back to where it started. You get one, then you probably never wear it for dangerous situations since the other aforementioned capes are much easier to reobtain, and in some cases, are better.

[Kalafai]

 

forgot about barrel chest but if u bring torags hes not that bad. or if u manage to trap him couldn't kill you at all.

 

i don't actually remember much of the lunar quests but i don't think it was to bad

 

And nomad is a challenge but if you keep at it you will notice patterns when to hide behind the pilar what equipment works best and he has nothing that hits over 30 besides his hp lv -1 attack but with that he gives you plenty of warning to heal up.

 

those compared to jad which can hit over 90 on every attack are childs play. And will all quests u can learn which equipment works best ect, with jad its just hoping you don't lag.

This is barrel chest at level 58. There is no torags, and it is within the target level range of the quest. And with any lag at all, 2 hits are shown at once often enough.

 

Lunar quests are that bad, when you are the minimum level, and 65 defense.

 

It is my prayer that my upload speed will at the time be high enough in order to register the run command in time.

 

No. I beat all those things first try, and quite low combat, with plenty of food left.

 

Jad took me 4 tries.

 

And Kal, you are *69* slayer. You really don't have any experience to comment one way or the other on this.

 

And how will ~30 hours more grinding against stuff that does not do any of these things provide me with the intellectual capacity to discus them?

 

I am providing my testimony in opposition to the statement that Jad is much harder than quest bosses. Quest bosses take 1-3 tries for me, and are always seen as a challange. They can vary from player to player, from punching out the Slagalith at level 40 with your bare hands and no food because you weren't expecting to fight a thing, to strugling with Elvarg because you've never even heard of antifire potions.

 

I'm pretty sure Jad himself will be easy as pie, and that the only reason I haven't taken him out already is that I haven't grind baked enough pies to fill my inventory since I got a magic shortbow, or even bothered to purchase enough food at all.

[Dormado]

Okay this bugs me, ALOT:

 

When this update was released and I found out about the new wyrm creatures i thought:

 

"Woah, awesome creatures, and cool drops", the second thing I thought when I saw that the firecape was a requirement ffor the staff of light dropping Ice wyrm was "cool, now, finally some monsters that are ELITE, and only the deserving players can kill them (not to mention the wyrms remind me of the great wyrms)".

 

What compromise, what is this nonsense are those NOOBS talking about? By saying NOOBS i mean REAL NOOBS, LAZY people, who can't spend their time getting a fire cape. Bad connection? Possibly several times better then mine:

 

1. My internet connection is so bad I can only load RS when theres not alot of ppl on our network,- like mornings or nights, - I can play the game anytime, but entering the site and loading the game can only be done then.

 

2. My internet connection can be called "not bad", if you dont mind the fact that I lagg out for a several minutes after a few minutes-to hald hour of playing time (depends on what laggy/non laggy activity I am doing).

 

3. Fighting ANY boss monsters was difficult, I died 5 times doing Dream mentor, and when I actually killed the (quite strong) monsters, I EARNED the right to use expanded lunar spellbook.

 

4. I have fought Jad 4 times, logging out around once in 5 waves (a little more frequent in later waves), to reduce chances of lagging out, AND HE's EASY. The only reason I havent got the firecape is that my ranged level was around 45 at the time I tried, and blood spells didn't hit him as much as I wanted. PRAYER SWITCHING HARD? are you kidding me??? WITh my louzy connection and my average reflexes I had absolutely no problem distinguishing his attacks and switching prayers. I would probably have got him with the blood spells too, but I didnt read the guides so I didnt knew what to do once the healers came.

 

all of their arguments are invalid, compromise? what compromise? since when Jagex are searching for a compromise with LAZY noobs...

[sarg1010]

I wonder if any of the people complaining about "Oh, I have a bad connection, so I obviously can't do Jad!" have actually tried killing it. If people want a compromise for this, what happens when level 99 stuff comes out? "Oh I need to max out a skill to do something really AWESOME? WTFBBQHAX JAGEX I CAN'T DO IT CHANGE IT NAO!"

[tortilliachp]

I challange you all to think about why Jagex have decided to remove the firecape requirement, what effect it will have on the price of the staff of light, and therefore its role, and how this influences how you see the future of elite content in the game.

 

Why would they cave in to ranters for the first time ever?

why would they consider disability concerns for the first time ever?

Where is runescape headed?

What are the greatest standard achievements in the game currently?

what achievements currently require clicking skills?

 

please let's see some reflection and thought rather than argument-bashing that serves no purpose, and leads to no deeper understanding of the issue at hand.

[Soma2035]

Here's what really rubs me raw about this situation. The most common argument against the Fire Cape requirement is "it excludes people who have disabilities which prevent them from being able to complete it." Well, the average player in RS is something like 15-18 years old. That is way too young to be experiencing "reflex problems" that affect you to the extent where you can't see an animation and respond to it by clicking a fairly large symbol on your prayer interface.

 

Yes, there are indeed some middle-aged (and elderly) people who play and there are people with joint issues that cause extreme pain when they play for prolonged periods, but as I said, they are the MINORITY. The majority of people complaining are just lazy band-wagoners who don't want to sit through the hour-and-a-half (OF NON-CONSECUTIVE PLAY TIME) to get to Jad. And before somebody says it, failing at Jad ten times because you "got nervous and messed up" is NOT a disability.

 

I give anyone this challenge if they think that jad is so easy no matter your connection. Get a satalite high speed service that has a time delay of at least 2 seconds then try and beat jad.

 

Time delay is not lag, time delay is where it takes a certain periode for data to be transfered from your computer to a server because of a satalite and vice versa. In other words when jads emote or sound for attacking apears on your computer two seconds have actually passed. and then it takes another few seconds for the prayer to actaully activate when you click the button.

 

I'm just sick and tired of people just assuming that you can get a decent connection no matter where you live.

 

I'm just sick and tired of people just assuming that you have to have a decent connection to win against Jad.

 

Jad can be beaten without prayer switching. Granted, it's harder, and requires good equipment, skills, and strategy, but that's what faces all players who choose to play despite a poor internet connection. Difficult is not impossible, and unless your situation is extremely, extremely dire.

 

In the end, the amount of these people who benefit is going to pale in comparison to the amount of people who gave up, or were simply too weak and/or lazy.