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Very disappointing. No reason why people can't get a cape if they have 93 slay

 

I can name one reason: Laggy connections. Its the one main reason i will never attain a fire cape,,, (untill of coure better pc or internt, both i have to pay for comes along)

 

But i, Personally don't care otherwise, just that post above bugged me

And what's stopping you from going to a friend's house? A library?

 

Sigh this is gonna turn into the new should f2p get skill capes debate isn't it?

 

For one you might be in the country where everyones internet connection is the same, if they have any at all.

 

2nd, just personally but the nearest library is a 3 hr round trip.

 

not everyone lives in a city where you can have anything in a 10 minute walk.

 

Then don't play the game. Just because of your personal issues (no money to pay members, no good connection to fight Jad among other dangerous game content), doesn't mean that we compromise on everything. Is the world unfair? I'm glad you realised that. That applies even for a game.

 

But hey, Jagex won't hear us here. I need to devote more time to posting on the RSOF.


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Very disappointing. No reason why people can't get a cape if they have 93 slay

 

I can name one reason: Laggy connections. Its the one main reason i will never attain a fire cape,,, (untill of coure better pc or internt, both i have to pay for comes along)

 

But i, Personally don't care otherwise, just that post above bugged me

And what's stopping you from going to a friend's house? A library?

 

Sigh this is gonna turn into the new should f2p get skill capes debate isn't it?

 

For one you might be in the country where everyones internet connection is the same, if they have any at all.

 

2nd, just personally but the nearest library is a 3 hr round trip.

 

not everyone lives in a city where you can have anything in a 10 minute walk.

 

Then don't play the game. Just because of your personal issues (no money to pay members, no good connection to fight Jad among other dangerous game content), doesn't mean that we compromise on everything. Is the world unfair? I'm glad you realised that. That applies even for a game.

 

But hey, Jagex won't hear us here. I need to devote more time to posting on the RSOF.

 

Fine then lets start having country specific updates. I mean after all its not jagex's problem that you don't live in say pakistan. Same concept really just because you live in a certain area you are unable to access this content. And the world is only unfair because people like you refuse to try and change it.


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Very disappointing. No reason why people can't get a cape if they have 93 slay

 

I can name one reason: Laggy connections. Its the one main reason i will never attain a fire cape,,, (untill of coure better pc or internt, both i have to pay for comes along)

 

But i, Personally don't care otherwise, just that post above bugged me

And what's stopping you from going to a friend's house? A library?

 

Sigh this is gonna turn into the new should f2p get skill capes debate isn't it?

 

For one you might be in the country where everyones internet connection is the same, if they have any at all.

 

2nd, just personally but the nearest library is a 3 hr round trip.

 

not everyone lives in a city where you can have anything in a 10 minute walk.

 

Then don't play the game. Just because of your personal issues (no money to pay members, no good connection to fight Jad among other dangerous game content), doesn't mean that we compromise on everything. Is the world unfair? I'm glad you realised that. That applies even for a game.

 

But hey, Jagex won't hear us here. I need to devote more time to posting on the RSOF.

 

Fine then lets start having country specific updates. I mean after all its not jagex's problem that you don't live in say pakistan. Same concept really just because you live in a certain area you are unable to access this content. And the world is only unfair because people like you refuse to try and change it.

 

Of course it's not Jagex's problem where I stay, or how much I have for membership/better internet connectivity, which is why they DON'T NEED to create country specific updates. I've lived through a time where a better connection would seem like too much of a luxury, and boss trips were a big no-no.

 

You're wasting energy seeking fairness in a game.


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Who said it is worth as much as an AGS (125m)?

 

The street price of the Staff of Light is only about 50 million now. It's also still hyped, so I don't expect it to stay at that price forever.

 

last i heard it was that much.

 

But the point remains at 50mil still. Its inconstant with other content. Why kill high hitting dangerous boss monsters when you can afk your way to 93 slayer and get your 50mil staff with no effort. Because obviously it takes no concentration or fighting skills if the 50 year olds on the forums are complaining that Jad is too hard...

 

True its going to drop, but personally i think the cape is the only thing that justified the reward

 

Jad isn't hard. It's impossible if your connection isn't the best or if your computer is older. Jagex stands by making runescape a game where any computer with any specs and any OS can play, and I don't think it's right if they are bringing out content that goes against that standard. Jad is already a bad piece of content because of this issue, and not to mention the only fun part about the fight caves is the fight with Jad, though the 2 hours to get with him is hell and is constant click and wait fighting. Personally I say Jagex should fix fight caves but that's a whole different story.

 

 

Other than your eye-catching/burning signature, there's just something about your posts... That make me... Want to regurgitate a dead Australian Bull Frog from somewhere other than my mouth... God dammit, Carlton.

 

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I now demand of you to change your avatar... Do it nao!

 

OT:

 

I'll answer your post with rhetorical questions. If you want to answer them, then please, go ahead. I'll warn you though, I don't think they're meant to be answered.

 

 

Jad isn't hard... But he's hard to kill with a bad internet connection... Which law in the universe prevents someone from accessing a public library? Is it the definition of the word "public"? I don't get it. If Jagex designs a game that can only be played by laggy computers, then surely, that would give those with fast computers an unfair advantage. I suppose that goes with any type of technology. The best thing to do in this case would be to cater to the majority, which Jagex is doing in this case.

 

I used to play on a dail-up connection until about a year ago, and nothing lagged. The first fire cape I got was on my laptop with a barely functioning touch pad and I think 50 something Mbps running speed, which is about half that of a normal computer connection (dial-up or otherwise).

 

Another thing you said was that getting to Jad is boring. OK then. I'm glad you feel that way. I also think killing that 200+ of the same monster, thousands of blody times, is also a pain in the [wagon], but that's another story... But then again... If one wanted 93 slayer, one would have to accomplish that mind-numbing feat.

 

You're complaining about getting to Jad as being a pain, but what about getting to 93 slayer? Isn't that also a grind? If I recall correctly, you can log out between waves in Jad, so a smart and determined player can easily do 20 waves or so a day and get to Jad that way, without the horribly difficult killing of repetitive monsters that you're expressing such angst towards.


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"Most of the complaints were from older players who cant think fast enough to switch prayers. Im going to sound rude i know but IM SORRY NOT ALL CONTENT IS FOR YOU

 

Quoted for so much truth. It's not rude, it's the honest truth.

 

I wanna be in the NBA. But i'm not 6'4" and not a 20 year old kid. And I can't beat Lebron James one on one. But I practice a lot...I'm a level 93 basketball player! So how come I don't make millions? Heck, let's make it so no one can make millions for dribbling a ball since I can't. THIS is what their logic sounds like to me.

 

To be honest I see the same few people on the forums proclaiming "equal rights for older gamers" (which is basically what their arguemnt boils down to). Yet I know many 30+ gamers who have no problems with Jad, or God Wars, or whatever "old brains can't handle". Heck, I'm not exactly 16 myself, but I can still prayer switch and play Team Fortress 2/Call of Duty etc etc. Have they ever looked at themselves and just said: hey, maybe I just need to practice more, or watch a couple of Youtube vids., before trying to spoil an awesome update for evrybody else.

 

UGH. RSOF hurts my head. Its made me all ranty.


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I already written down my view on this matter in this rather long post.

 

In short.

 

I am really cabbage in doing the fight caves. I don't keep track any more on how many times I tried. I am close to 20. I am getting better at it each time. I have hope that one day I will succeed.

 

I do not mind the firecape requirement at all. I think it is a valid requirement that falls within the spirit of the game.

 

I am 99 slayer. It's not like I say this because I don't miss out on anything. But then again, I don't slay much any more.

 

I find these kind of requirements stimulating. While they also may be frustrating it generates the feeling of accomplishment once you finally did that thing that was impossible at one point. I had actually already started doing the fight caves before the strykewyrm update came out. I had already set myself the goal to get a firecape. Nothing will change that.

 

So, keep the firecape requirement.

 

But stop bashing people who can't do the fight caves. People who cannot do the fight caves aren't automatically complaining about the requirement. Have some respect.


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I don't have 93 slayer.

I don't have a fire cape.

 

When I get 93 slayer and the fire cape requirement does not change, I either suck it up and try until I got that wretched cape, or cancel Ice wyrm tasks. Simple as that.

 

However: I found the fightn caves not EASY. There's skill and a small portion of luck involved, as well as a steady internet connection.

I might suggest that if the fire cape requirement stays, for Jungle strykewyrms you should be in FULL lumberjack. This is also " easily" obtainable from a minigame, which only requires time, just like the caves.

 

Anyway, I have close to a full slayer level of time to either get the cape, or see what Jagex comes up with. Either suck it up and deal with it. There is no such thing as "fair" in life, let alone in a game.


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But stop bashing people who can't do the fight caves. People who cannot do the fight caves aren't automatically complaining about the requirement. Have some respect.

 

 

No one is. The guys who can't do it are bashing themselves in hope for a bit of pity and a compromise.


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For me the fire cape requirement is motivating. I have 93 slayer but no cape. I have checked out the caves a couple of times. Went to Jad during the Karamja achievement diary. But it might have been one of those things I'd never get done. Now I have an incentive to get the cape.

I don't boss hunt much and don't pk, so it will definitely be a big challenge for me.


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However: I found the fightn caves not EASY. There's skill and a small portion of luck involved, as well as a steady internet connection.

I might suggest that if the fire cape requirement stays, for Jungle strykewyrms you should be in FULL lumberjack. This is also " easily" obtainable from a minigame, which only requires time, just like the caves.

 

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YEAH

 

And add a service fee of 50 nail beast charms per strykewyrm assignment to boot.

 

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I don't much like the idea of compromising on Ice Strykewyrm tasks. Like most fights in this game, you have to be prepared for what Jad could throw at you, and when. Most of the arguments I've seen about not making the Fire Cape a requirement revolve around either the difficulty of killing Jad or a poor Internet connection.

 

Tough to say it though, since I can see the other side of the argument plainly (for Gods' sake, I had pretty bad internet when I beat Jad), but I still hate the idea of compromising on this update. Borrowing the words from a post I had seen earlier, "either we have high level content or we don't."

 

If it goes through (and it looks likely it might), I hope whatever compromise presents itself makes the idea of getting a Fire cape infinitely more appealing.


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Sad to see this happening. :sad:

The cape is one of the very few things in rs that actually require some skill not just hundreds of hours of mindless grinding....

They have to ruin a piece of content that most high levels enjoy because of the few whiners who post all over the rants forums?

I am 99 slayer, max combat with no fire cape and I'm not whining. If I am too noob for the cape, then I am, I accept the fact, it's my problem not Jagex's.

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If it's anything less than being able to be assigned them with 99 Slayer I will be disappointed in JagEx. They finally gave Slayer some new high level content which has been long overdue and the flood gates open because it's too difficult for some people. At the end of the day this was supposed to be a high level update, for high level and skilled players yet some people seem to have got into the mindset that everything should be handed to them on a silver platter. Not all content is for everyone, if you can't kill Jad then you can't kill Jad it isn't like Kuradal assigns Ice Strykewyrms if you don't have the Fire Cape. If you really want to be able to kill Ice Wyrms that bad then you'll find some way of getting the cape, don't make your problems JagEx's problem.

I really hope whatever compromise they make is of equal difficulty to getting the Fire Cape, but without the need of good internet connection just to get rid of that excuse for not fighting Jad. :pray:


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My guess is the disability and discrimination remarks are the main reason behind this.

 

Hard of hearing people were complaining saying it was close to impossible for anyone with hearing issues to complete it.

The dial up users and people with poor internet connection were also saying it was next to impossible.

This coupled with the numerous general complaints put Jagex is a bad position.

 

Personally I'm going to pick up a DFS and hold onto it just incase its one of the requirements (it was one of the more common ones on RSOF.


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I bet that most of the people here who are defending the fire cape reguirement paid for someone to get a fire cape for them.

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I bet that most of the people here who are defending the fire cape reguirement paid for someone to get a fire cape for them.

 

Bring your half-[wagon] assumptions to the RSOF.

 

Edit: Actually no, that's trying to degrade the community on the RSOF further. Just bring it somewhere else.


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I bet that most of the people here who are defending the fire cape reguirement paid for someone to get a fire cape for them.

 

Bring your half-[wagon] assumptions to the RSOF.

 

Edit: Actually no, that's trying to degrade the community on the RSOF further. Just bring it somewhere else.

 

The truth hurts, doesn't it?

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I bet that most of the people here who are defending the fire cape reguirement paid for someone to get a fire cape for them.

 

Bring your half-[wagon] assumptions to the RSOF.

 

Edit: Actually no, that's trying to degrade the community on the RSOF further. Just bring it somewhere else.

 

The truth hurts, doesn't it?

TUBA are you really that stupid or are you just a troll?

 

The firecape requires skill and practice if you can't be bothered to learn both then thats your trouble.

Just because you feel the only way is to cheat doesn't mean everyone does.

 

Just stop posting junk before it gets ugly.


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I bet that most of the people here who are defending the fire cape reguirement paid for someone to get a fire cape for them.

 

Bring your half-[wagon] assumptions to the RSOF.

 

Edit: Actually no, that's trying to degrade the community on the RSOF further. Just bring it somewhere else.

 

The truth hurts, doesn't it?

 

No wonder I'm not feeling anything. But this is getting flamey, and you're the flame baiter with that "I bet this and that" statement. Like I said, if you don't have a better point than "I bet.....", then you shouldn't bother posting. Especially not in front of a guy with no fire cape yet, and excited about trying out Fight Caves (me).


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I would like to see Ampharaos's suggestion that fire cape wielders hit double on ice strykewyrms be implemented. This compromise better not be something that undermines getting a fire cape by just buying a deteriorating cape.

Soul Wars Cape beats Fire cape. 10 Prayer bonus> +4 Strength bonus+3 defence and +1 attack bonus. Defence is not so important at many slayer monsters, so the +3 defence is kinda unecessary there then. Piety/Turmoil/Berserker however is smart to use though at Slayer.

 

So honestly Fire cape should give between 5-20 more damage like Fericious ring against Ice Strykewyrms, and those who don't have Fire cape won't have that benefit. If Jagex introduces a replacement for Fire cape, it will be the biggest [cabbage] ever.

I bet that most of the people here who are defending the fire cape reguirement paid for someone to get a fire cape for them.

Yeah i agree with you here mate. I paid a friend(s) for 11-13 Fire capes.

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I know many guys who post here and have actually done that. Some of them have actually posted in this thread too.

 

I won't name anyone because it would be rather rude, and it probably is against the forum rules here.

 

As for myself, I don't really care about the reguirement because I don't even play anymore and I already have 99 slayer.

 

You're free to believe whatever you want. I was exaggerating a bit by saying "most" but there are many who have done it.

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I know many guys who post here and have actually done that. Some of them have actually posted in this thread too.

 

I won't name anyone because it would be rather rude, and it probably is against the forum rules here.

 

As for myself, I don't really care about the reguirement because I don't even play anymore and I already have 99 slayer.

 

You're free to believe whatever you want. I was exaggerating a bit by saying "most" but there are many who have done it.

 

And your point? Fire Cape should be removed? If someone wants to put your account at risk, that's their issue. It has nothing to do with the requirement itself.


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Firstly, I am in favour of having to wear a Fire Cape to 'kill' Ice Strykewyrms - I'm 99 Slayer & have been for nearly 1 year now & I do not possess a Fire Cape, not through lack of ability as most people seem to be alluding to, rather a previous lack of desire. Not having a cape doesn't seem to have done me much harm over the years.

 

That changed with the introduction of Wyrms & I will now go out of my way to get one. In my opinion, the ability to access 'Elite' updates should require a high skill level, which 93 Slayer certainly is, the Cape requirement just enhances the difficulty level.

 

When I started on the road to 99 Slayer I was driven by the fact that at certain levels I would obtain the ability to receive a 'rare' or 'exclusive' drop, which would in time provide a nice boost for the Gp in my bank.

 

At the moment the scarcity of the SOL (a result of the requirements & more importantly inability to farm them) keep the prices high - this to me is is the ultimate reward for the time spent obtaining the requirements initially.

 

However, looking at the original post & Mod Emilee's 'intimation' that a compromise would be introduced got me thinking as to what this could be. Even though I current cannot access the Strykewyrms I certainly do not want the requriements to kill them to be watered down to such an extent that anyone with 93 Slayer can get them - this would drive the exclusivity of the drop down & in turn the financial rewards.

 

My compromise suggestion would be as follows:-

 

As we all know, the Fire Cape is given as a reward for completing the fight caves, which are 'run' by the TzHaar, who also drop the Obby items including the lower levels best friend, the Obby cape.

What if the ability to upgrade the Obby Cape to 'Obsidian Cape of Fire' by exchanging say 1 million Tokkul & wearing this cape will then allow you to fight Ice Strykewyrms. The Cape stats would be exactly the same as a standard Obby cape & therefore the existing Fire Cape is not diminished in any way - the 'Status' of wearing a Fire Cape is retained, in fact wearing the Cape when killing Strykewyrms is likely to lead to some 'noob' comments being levelled at you!!

 

The requirement to exchange for Tokkul would still involve the user actually spending some of their hard earned time killing TzHaar & my guess at Max Melee this would be around 12-13 Hours, which would still make the 1 1/2 - 2 hours to get to Jad more appealing.

 

Any thoughts?


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The problems that I have with the fight caves, and thus this requirement is that it requires a bad playing style:

 

 

You are required to play for a long time after each other.. While for the arbo it's bad, and people shouldn't stay attentioned to a screen for more than 30 mins straight.. Given that problem I'm finding myself in, as well as the fact that time is limited for those older players who also have lots other obligations it is impossible to beat the fight caves in 1 go: heck even jad alone takes too long for me to beat in 1 go..

 

That is also the main reason I chose slayer over boss hunting, slayer allows you to beat the "task" in small bits!


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