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I wouldnt be surprised if it cost 100-500 slayer points to unlock Ice Wyrm Tasks.

 

 

I'm thinking of a 4 digit number, starting with 5.

 

Den, 100-500 slayer points is NOTHING. I can easily do 6+ tasks a day. It should cost more like 1500-2k points.

 

I think a day of slaying is a good measurement. You can spend a whole day slaying or 2-3 hours in Fight Caves. Your choice. ISo yeah, 150-200 points is good.

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I like how people think a compromise is making it super difficult to kill them. I think that kinda defeats the purpose. Oh, and it's funny how people think that it should also cost excessive amounts of Slayer points.

 

Are you guys really this upset that you legitimately think that it needs to be this difficult to kill them? God, someone needs to change your diapers people.

 

Their original difficulty stemmed from the fact that they required both the fire cape and the level to slay. Regardless if you thought that was fair or not, that is an undeniable fact. Removing that requirement for everyone and replacing it with something so easily achieved as a fixed number of points (that yes, would take time to do, but you can indefinately acheive it) lessens that difficulty factor. These monsters were clearly intended to be a challenge, but now they are as mundane as say, Dark Beasts.

 

Whether or not you think it's appropriate or not to have minigames integrated into a skill is a simple difference of opinion, one you could discuss without having to resort to calling other people children lol.

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I like how people think a compromise is making it super difficult to kill them. I think that kinda defeats the purpose. Oh, and it's funny how people think that it should also cost excessive amounts of Slayer points.

 

Are you guys really this upset that you legitimately think that it needs to be this difficult to kill them? God, someone needs to change your diapers people.

 

Their original difficulty stemmed from the fact that they required both the fire cape and the level to slay. Regardless if you thought that was fair or not, that is an undeniable fact. Removing that requirement for everyone and replacing it with something so easily achieved as a fixed number of points (that yes, would take time to do, but you can indefinately acheive it) lessens that difficulty factor. These monsters were clearly intended to be a challenge, but now they are as mundane as say, Dark Beasts.

 

Whether or not you think it's appropriate or not to have minigames integrated into a skill is a simple difference of opinion, one you could discuss without having to resort to calling other people children lol.

 

It wasn't their opinion that led me to calling them children. It was their bitter, tantrum nature of their aguments that led to me calling them children. That isn't to say everyone acted like that, just a few people.

 

I understand their original difficulty. It doesn't however make the Wyrms easier to slay. It simply omits a little prerequisite content. That's why this was a compromise. You lose having that requirement, but you'll likely have to spend the same 2-3 hours doing Fight Caves a few times over to get enough points to access them. Also you will suffer more damage and not have the +4 ability. Truth be told, I think all things considering it's a good compromise.

 

Having said that, if we can get past how they were, why the compromise was made, and all that, does anyone have a criticism of the actual compromise itself? And please no "They should be harder to kill without a cape." That isn't a compromise.

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150-200 points is a joke for someone with 93 slayer. On the release day there were people spending thousands of points skipping tasks just go to the Ice Strikewyrms. Between 70 and 93 slayer you would get over 9500 points, it should take atleast 1/10 of that to unlock the Ice Strikewyrms, I think a reasonable amount would be about 1k points (40 tasks).

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150-200 points is a joke for someone with 93 slayer. On the release day there were people spending thousands of points skipping tasks just go to the Ice Strikewyrms. Between 70 and 93 slayer you would get over 9500 points, it should take atleast 1/10 of that to unlock the Ice Strikewyrms, I think a reasonable amount would be about 1k points (40 tasks).

 

Well, yeah. That's because they had that many point already. My point was, I don't get why people thinking that spending 3 hours at the most in fight caves and spending 20 or 30 hours slaying for points is comparable.

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I like how people think a compromise is making it super difficult to kill them. I think that kinda defeats the purpose. Oh, and it's funny how people think that it should also cost excessive amounts of Slayer points.

 

Are you guys really this upset that you legitimately think that it needs to be this difficult to kill them? God, someone needs to change your diapers people.

 

We get to whine now, the whiners already got what they wanted, now its our turn :P

 

Why shouldn't it be hard to kill them without a fire cape? change attacks to some sort of icey attack, and the fire cape keeps you warm against it. The simple fact that jagex nerfed another thing annoys me. We started with extreme pots, then nope that got nerfed. They nerfed the extreme mage even further, and now the only thing that makes ice strykewryms hard to kill is gone.

 

When the staff of light came out, I figured it was something that people would whine about. I really hope the spec stays like it is.

 

My second compromise doesnt make it harder to fight them in any way tho. Just makes it pointless till you have a fire cape.

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I don't think think taking an existing piece of content and making it harder really fits in with the idealolgy of Runescape. I think that is why they made the changes the way they did.

 

Wyrms themslves are not made easier, at least not for the people without Fire Capes. It's just letting some people fight them.

 

So I want to sayu it again, it's not the compromise that's the problem. It's the reason for it. However people are letting the reason for the compromise spill over and making the compromise seem poor, which it isn't. It's actually quite good.

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I don't think think taking an existing piece of content and making it harder really fits in with the idealolgy of Runescape. I think that is why they made the changes the way they did.

 

Wyrms themslves are not made easier, at least not for the people without Fire Capes. It's just letting some people fight them.

 

So I want to sayu it again, it's not the compromise that's the problem. It's the reason for it. However people are letting the reason for the compromise spill over and making the compromise seem poor, which it isn't. It's actually quite good.

 

 

If they knew what their ideology was, they wouldn't have requried the Fire Cape in the first place.

 

*Adds fire cape as requirement*

 

Mod 1, "Say, what was Jagex's ideology again?"

 

Mod 2, "THIS IS SPART....I mean, accessible content for all?"

 

Mod 1, "OMFG!"

 

*nerfs the requirement*

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I wouldnt be surprised if it cost 100-500 slayer points to unlock Ice Wyrm Tasks.

 

 

I'm thinking of a 4 digit number, starting with 5.

 

Den, 100-500 slayer points is NOTHING. I can easily do 6+ tasks a day. It should cost more like 1500-2k points.

 

I have 88 slayer, im well aware how much 100-500 points is and how long it takes.

Il mark my post with [sarcasm] next time.

 

My whole point was its been nerfed once, why not nerf it some more while they are at it?

 

Thos whole thing would have been all nice if it was the original update, but I dont like how its been changed to it from something which worked perfectly fine.

People who complain about lag at Jad will have a fun time with the 30 hits Wyrms like to land on people aswell.

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I hope they create a slayer monster that reguires 95 slayer and a full set of the best castle wars armor to kill them.

 

I wonder how many people who are against the compromise would whine about the reguirement for that.

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I hope they create a slayer monster that reguires 95 slayer and a full set of the best castle wars armor to kill them.

 

I wonder how many people who are against the compromise would whine about the reguirement for that.

 

 

I'm sure the whiners would once again make sure that the requirement get "changed" to requiring the lousiest CW set. Why worry? <_<

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Group of my friends have already teamed up to get everyone at wyrms without a fire cape killed. Think I'll join them, unless the compromise is at least HARD.

 

TUBA, your argument is illogical. You can figure that out. That set takes what, like 100 HOURS to get? Maybe more? Fire cape takes maybe 20? That is if you fail 15 times.

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I don't think think taking an existing piece of content and making it harder really fits in with the idealolgy of Runescape. I think that is why they made the changes the way they did.

 

Wyrms themslves are not made easier, at least not for the people without Fire Capes. It's just letting some people fight them.

 

So I want to sayu it again, it's not the compromise that's the problem. It's the reason for it. However people are letting the reason for the compromise spill over and making the compromise seem poor, which it isn't. It's actually quite good.

 

I disagree. Wyrms are not hard to kill true, when you have a task of them. But the fact that you needed a fire cape made them hard to kill, for the simple reason that a fire cape was "hard" to get. Removing this was a slap in the face to the people who had completed the fight caves, and actually had a reason to use the fire cape they had recieved. So I think that the compromise was poor because it did make them alot easier. I was actually looking forward to getting a fire cape and eventually killing them.

 

and making something harder is not what anyone is suggesting for a compromise. Killing a strykewyrm without a fire cape was impossible, anything that allows you to kill them without a fire cape would be making them easier anyway.

 

I want to say, to the people who complained about the laggy connection and not being able to finish fight caves because of that, good luck. I dont know how ur gonna dodge the burrow attack if you are lagging, maybe that will get removed too.......

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I hope they create a slayer monster that reguires 95 slayer and a full set of the best castle wars armor to kill them.

 

I wonder how many people who are against the compromise would whine about the reguirement for that.

 

Firecape is a minimum of 1 hour? Whereas the best castle wars armour is upwards of 200 hours? Hardly comparable.

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I hope they create a slayer monster that reguires 95 slayer and a full set of the best castle wars armor to kill them.

 

I wonder how many people who are against the compromise would whine about the reguirement for that.

 

Firecape is a minimum of 1 hour? Whereas the best castle wars armour is upwards of 200 hours? Hardly comparable.

 

Isnt it like 2 or so months of 7 hours a day castle wars? :P

 

But as its been said, no need to worry. It will just get nerfed to require the lowest castle wars armor , with the best one giving you a +4 hit bonus.

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Group of my friends have already teamed up to get everyone at wyrms without a fire cape killed. Think I'll join them, unless the compromise is at least HARD.

 

TUBA, your argument is illogical. You can figure that out. That set takes what, like 100 HOURS to get? Maybe more? Fire cape takes maybe 20? That is if you fail 15 times.

 

 

Kinda what I'm talking about. All the animosity towards people who just want to play.

 

And the thing about it being a slap in the face. Why are all you people so worried about what other people can or cannot do. Worry about what you can or cannot do and leave it at that. Does anyone think this will add a significant amount of players to Wyrms? Of course not.

 

I mean, people with Fire capes now have more of an advantage when killing them

 

I'm not saying you are, but you people are coming across as a bunch of bitter, angry, pentulent children who instead of looking at anything postive, only want to revel in the negativty of this.

 

And if you think that's bad, look who's saying it. Me! Probably one of the most ranting vitriolic persons on tip.it

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I'm definitely going to be wearing my fire cape 24/7. I'm also going to be harassing players slaying ice wyrms who don't have fire capes. Maybe if I do it enough they'll start complaining and get free speech nerfed.

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This could be a stupid question....but are you sure that it will be a one time buy for this? The way I read it, everyone will be able to get this task, but if you do not have a fire cape, you have to buy an 'ability' to kill them for that task. Kind of like a temporary fire enchantment. I think this would be the thing to keep it in check, and make people really want to get the fire cape. In some cases, they would HAVE to get the fire cape, because they do not have the slayer points to buy the ability. Or the slayer master would check if you have enough points to buy it before you get assigned them, but who knows. I think this would work a lot better than just a one time buy that unlocks the task for everyone.

 

If it is just a one time buy, unlock it, then yeah, I can see the issue here. No matter how expensive they make it, it will never be as hard as getting a fire cape. I can grind anything out, even 93 slayer and 5k points, but hell if I had the abilities to get a fire cape.

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But it would be ELDER GOD grandmaster level content!

 

Surely you want some harsh reguirements for that so not everyone can do it.

 

The reason for such reguirement could be that the slayer monster is a gigantic queen bee that lives in a massive beehive and you need the armour to sneak in past the bee barrier that protects the beehive from intruders.

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If you did not have a fire cape b4 this point, then this is a hugely positive update. But, i do not like the fact that they changed something that did not need to be change, just because a few people were very loud about it.

 

It was fine, it was actually something that took skill, not grinding, and you got a reward because you had the skill to finish the fight caves. Seemed great to me, and I do not have a fire cape, or the 93 slayer req. I need something to work towards, a goal to set. Giving it to everyone takes the fun out of the exclusitivity of finally reaching a goal. Capitalism > Socialism

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If you did not have a fire cape b4 this point, then this is a hugely positive update. But, i do not like the fact that they changed something that did not need to be change, just because a few people were very loud about it.

 

It was fine, it was actually something that took skill, not grinding, and you got a reward because you had the skill to finish the fight caves. Seemed great to me, and I do not have a fire cape, or the 93 slayer req. I need something to work towards, a goal to set. Giving it to everyone takes the fun out of the exclusitivity of finally reaching a goal. Capitalism > Socialism

 

Poet, you'll buy the ability to get the assignments. Then you can fight them when assigned.

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I'm happy with this comprimise, while I don't have the Slayer requirement at all for other people who truly cannot obtain the cape I am very happy for. I've friends who play on dial up, and cannot fight any "boss" monsters, can't go to GWD etc due to their internet connection. So why should not being able to obtain the cape mean they can't fight a new slayer monster?

 

Funny how there's people ranting about this, when people are ranting about Pvp updates which do nothing positive for the game (Taken a look at the economy lately?) there's hardly any ranting. Now..? You shouldn't be complaining at all. There's a new slayer monster, people need to be happy for once instead of nitpicking. No other monsters in the game have such a requirement, why should these?

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I don't like it that Jagex listens to the whiners but I see some peoples points that getting firecape with bad internet is very hard. What I think they should have done, is made fire equipment available to be 'enchanted' by slayer masters to be used against ice wyrms.

100 points + ring of fire = blocks 10% of hits

200 points + fire gloves = 25% block

400 points + adze = 50% block + 25% higher hits (since you're whacking ice with fire)

firecape = 50% block

Then to balance this, make ice wyrms hit higher and through prayer 50% of the time (same as PVP). That way, it's still better to use a firecape but you can kill them without it. It would also keep the 'minigame requirement' on the task since you're forced to do Beakon Lighting which doesn't require lightning fast reflexes. It might even add a little use to firemaking.

 

But I guess Jagex has made up their minds and this suggestion is far too late.

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I'm happy with this comprimise, while I don't have the Slayer requirement at all for other people who truly cannot obtain the cape I am very happy for. I've friends who play on dial up, and cannot fight any "boss" monsters, can't go to GWD etc due to their internet connection. So why should not being able to obtain the cape mean they can't fight a new slayer monster?

 

Funny how there's people ranting about this, when people are ranting about Pvp updates which do nothing positive for the game (Taken a look at the economy lately?) there's hardly any ranting. Now..? You shouldn't be complaining at all. There's a new slayer monster, people need to be happy for once instead of nitpicking. No other monsters in the game have such a requirement, why should these?

 

Chickens require no specific equipment, levels, teams, etc, etc. Why should GWD require any of those things? Why should the Corporeal Beast? Your argument is flawed. This is how dangerous precedents are set, like the one that was set today by Mod Chris L.

 

I think it's safe to say that we will never see another monster that requires anything more than the necessary levels to fight. I wont be surprised if every GWD boss is changed to only attack with melee. We wouldn't want the poor players to have to actually PREPARE for them, would we?

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