The Money Cap

[Mollerz]

For quite a while now, a lot of people have been reaching the money cap. I can remember when having 10M was out of this world and you could finally buy that blue partyhat you worked so hard for, but now, if you are max level and you don't have the money cap, then you aren't much since you can't buy all those 200M skills or that elysian shield you need to earn more money. The money cap has become an issue, a rather big one. Rares are traded for pure cash anymore, that was a long time ago when that was last happening. Party hats are worth so much that you can't just sell off a blue party hat, you have to downgrade it 6 times with mixtures of multiple partyhats, easter eggs, wergalis, crowns, onyx, elysians, divines, santas and masks until it's just become worse for you because you now have to sell all of this individually. This isn't because of the grand exchange either, I'm sure people would still buy one by cash, it's just that the other person has to had extortionate amounts of junk to the trade.

 

In the near future, the money cap will affect more and more as the rate of inflation in RuneScape increases. The current money cap, as a lot of you remember it, is 2.147B, or 2,147,483,647gp. I'm sure a lot of you have seen Chessy018's video of

, this is just one of the very successful merchanters out there. There are so many more people with max cash, especially maxed out people who need it for 200M in skills, Zarfot has already spent over 4B on 200M herblore and even more on 200M prayer. The cap has become a big problem for a lot of people, and will affect more and more as time goes on.

 

Now, this number, is the signed 32bit integer (-1), supposefly because Andrew and Paul never thought that anyone would ever reach this amount of money. But now more people are reaching it, would you think it would be a good idea to switch to the 64bit integer if they had the chance, this number is much more leniant, in fact, this number is 9,223,372,036,854,775,807. 9.2 QUINTILLION, or 9223 Quadrillion. This number is 4,294,967,298 times bigger than the value we have at the moment.

 

Now, I don't know much about programming in these languages, so I don't know how easy or hard this is, but, do you think it is a good idea, do you think that it would get too confusing with such large values of cash?

[mujammil]

Without a doubt this is a good idea. Especially for people who flip. People with max cash can at most flip 10x Bgs/tassets/claws/dfs/bcp/acp. But they are restricted to items of such similar value. People may wish to flip items such as AGS/SGS. But that is not possible as each AGS costs almsot 100m therefore using half of the max cashpile on 1 g.e spot. Also people such as myself, double up overnight where buy i purchase 20 items for each slot which totals 120 items. With the current max cash you can only merch items with an average value of 17.5m. As a result you cannot merch the items you would like to.

 

For the reasons above we definately need a higher max cashpile limit.

[qeltar]

I very much hope they do NOT do anything about this.

 

They've said for years that they dislike the money obssession that drives too much of the game. And many recent updates reflect that, not the least of which is an entire new skill where you pretty much can't buy or sell *anything*.

 

This would be sending the wrong message to people, especially the manipulator clan leaders and other scumbags, who are generally the only ones who worry about this stuff.

 

"Without a doubt this is a good idea"? Hardly. Increasing the quantity storage limit from 32 bits to 64 bits would result in massive bloat and serve no purpose whatsoever to 99.999% of people who have or ever will play RS. I can't imagine a bigger waste of time or resources.

[Cacmypants]

You're making it sound like the people aiming for 200m exp skills are a majority.

[Den]

I very much hope they do NOT do anything about this.

 

I agree with Qeltar on this one.

[Lets_3ekout]

I think adding coin piles to be 64 bit would cause a large increase on the load of servers. All 64 bits are proccessed EVERY time the server does anything with coins (even if it's just 1 coin dropping from a goblin). Then there would be decision of whether or not to give this increased limit to items aswell. Aside from that, I don't really even see the problem. As you've pointed out, there are ways around the money cap (just got this as a random though, but perhaps shard packs could be used?) and the audience for this update is almost nothing. The game wasn't intended for cash hording, if that's what people enjoy then so be it, but that doesn't mean it should be updated at the expensive of other players.

[qeltar]

Start a poll asking players the following.

 

"Which would you prefer:

 

A. Being able to get more than 2 billion of an item; or

 

B. Getting an additional 400 bank spaces"

 

See if you can predict the results. ;)

 

Yes, they could kludge something so coins were handled 64-bit and everything else wasn't. This would require changes to nearly every part of the code.

[Tim]

I'm with Den and Qeltar on this, especially since this benefits Clan Manipulators like Cheesy who have that much money, they use Partyhats as mere bank holders. Besides, since when do you need 2b+ for a 200m exp skill? Cooking costs about 6m at 13m exp, 600m = 130m exp, you barely even need 1b for 200m exp.

[Sylpheed]

I dont see how this would help anyone other than merchants. The average player has never had and never will have the maximum amount of money that is attainable. I'm no expert on this sort of thing but surely, if the money cap was raised, this would only serve to let merchanters gather more assets in pure cash which would only serve to increase inflation. If this was the case, it would just prevent the average player from attaining high level items even more alienating them from the market altogether.

[Triquos]

I think 2.14B is more than enough for maximum cash. Heck, if I managed to reach that much I'd find no trouble spending it. Whether it's on all 99's, rares or 3rd age, the options are endless. There's no need to extend the 'max cash' it in my opinion.

[Ronan]

I'd agree with the others in saying that I don't think this is really the way to go. Qeltar rightly pointed out that the money obsession is not a good development for the game and this would only encourage that.

 

If anything, I'd prefer for them to find methods to make the need for cash less, but I've got no thoughts on how or even if that'd be possible with the current stage the game is at.

[timmmmm83]

I also see no need to increase the cap, like stated: 99.9% of people won't ever have that problem.

 

But wouldn't increasing the money cap counter inflation?

Someone at 2.1bill HAS to buy items, otherwise he looses cash.

Without this need, less items would be in the hands of hoarders.

More items available for the rest of us, means a drop in price, not?

[Sylpheed]

I also see no need to increase the cap, like stated: 99.9% of people won't ever have that problem.But wouldn't increasing the money cap counter inflation? Someone at 2.4bill HAS to buy items, otherwise he looses cash. Without this need, less items would be in the hands of hoarders. More items available for the rest of us, means a drop in price, not?

 

Increasing the money cap would mean that the people who currently have the maximum amount of gold possible would be able to amass a much larger pile of gold. The more gold that enters the game the less value it has therefore making the price of items rise to reflect the devaluation of gold.

[Golvellius]

Here is the list of priorities Jagex should have.

 

Finish dungeoneering.

Make more quests.

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Finish runecrafting.

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Redo the graphics on the leprachauns again.

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Fiddle with the summoning interface again.

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Make updates for the non-players. (your suggestion goes here)

[Den]

While we are on this subject, what happens if you add 20k to your bank with a max cash pile in the bank?

 

Does it start a new pile or does it get added to the max cash pile, but is not accounted for (since the pile is at max) and therefore deleted from the game?

[Saru Inc]

While we are on this subject, what happens if you add 20k to your bank with a max cash pile in the bank?

 

Does it start a new pile or does it get added to the max cash pile, but is not accounted for (since the pile is at max) and therefore deleted from the game?

 

It says there's not enough room in your bank.

 

 

I support update.

[tortilliachp]

thing is, max cash isn't even the limit. you can store many times max cash on the ge. max cash in each offer to be exact. noone needs more than 10b cash. investing in items is always better.

[Johannas]

I'm sure some tech heads will come over and reveal how non feasible it is - i think i read somewhere that they would have to rewrite nearly all the coding for the game and it wasn't worth the effort because not many people had reached the cap.

 

It doesn't bother me, i'm neutral - if you have that much money anyway you can invest it in items which are guaranteed to rise in price, for instance rares...

 

....Oh, and Hi fellow Surrey dweller :thumbup:

[Me_Hate_Libs]

Maybe the point is that your idiotics rares have become too rediculous to even have some monetary measure anymore?

[yuriqiu]

I love this idea. I personally am not a computer expert but if what you say can actually increase the money cap it'll be of great help to people in RS. If things go on at the present rate to be honest, 2.14bil cash would become a norm for the average lvl 100 (Don't say that'll never happen, 7 years ago D med was considered one of the most elite items in RS) An increase money cap would really be great imo.

 

@Kingjoe - Half of my friend list right now have banks worth around 5bil+, 2/3 is maxxed cash value in bank and with the exception of 10 people everyone has 1.5bil+. My friend list is a mixture of PvM, Skillers, Minigamers (Some who wastes 10m in PvP items/Ice barrages daily at castle wars), PvP (Who uses VLS like a whip) amongst others. The maxxed cash issue is not a problem of the future, it is a problem of the now.

[bedman]

I love this idea. I personally am not a computer expert but if what you say can actually increase the money cap it'll be of great help to people in RS. If things go on at the present rate to be honest, 2.14bil cash would become a norm for the average lvl 100 (Don't say that'll never happen, 7 years ago D med was considered one of the most elite items in RS) An increase money cap would really be great imo.

 

@Kingjoe - Half of my friend list right now have banks worth around 5bil+, 2/3 is maxxed cash value in bank and with the exception of 10 people everyone has 1.5bil+. My friend list is a mixture of PvM, Skillers, Minigamers (Some who wastes 10m in PvP items/Ice barrages daily at castle wars), PvP (Who uses VLS like a whip) amongst others. The maxxed cash issue is not a problem of the future, it is a problem of the now.

You just happen to have very elite friends.

[crashNburn]

No.

 

The solution is solving inflation, rather than redesigning the game around it.

 

A max pile of cash is also unnecessary to max out, and there are already plenty of ways to get around this.

[NukeMarine]

Jeez,

 

This is not difficult to solve even with a 32 bit system:

 

x10 Coins (Mith Coin?) trade 10gp for 1 x10 coin

x100 Coins (Addy Coin?) trade 100gp or 10 Mith coins for 1 Addy coin.

x1000 Coins (Rune Coin?) trade 1000gp, 100 Mith coins, or 10 Addy coins for 1 Rune coin

 

For the introduction of just 3 items that are trade locked to the above GP value, you've effectively made new max amount 2 Trillion gp without messing with any programming. Just have any banker or maybe an NPC at the Grand Exchange be the "seller" who offers to exchange at the above rates.

 

K I S S

[thunderlord]

Jeez,

 

This is not difficult to solve even with a 32 bit system:

 

x10 Coins (Mith Coin?) trade 10gp for 1 x10 coin

x100 Coins (Addy Coin?) trade 100gp or 10 Mith coins for 1 Addy coin.

x1000 Coins (Rune Coin?) trade 1000gp, 100 Mith coins, or 10 Addy coins for 1 Rune coin

 

For the introduction of just 3 items that are trade locked to the above GP value, you've effectively made new max amount 2 Trillion gp without messing with any programming. Just have any banker or maybe an NPC at the Grand Exchange be the "seller" who offers to exchange at the above rates.

 

K I S S

 

This doesn't actually sound bad...

 

And when you have the cash limit... just imagine how much fun you could have with 99 magic and castle wars

[yuriqiu]

I love this idea. I personally am not a computer expert but if what you say can actually increase the money cap it'll be of great help to people in RS. If things go on at the present rate to be honest, 2.14bil cash would become a norm for the average lvl 100 (Don't say that'll never happen, 7 years ago D med was considered one of the most elite items in RS) An increase money cap would really be great imo.

 

@Kingjoe - Half of my friend list right now have banks worth around 5bil+, 2/3 is maxxed cash value in bank and with the exception of 10 people everyone has 1.5bil+. My friend list is a mixture of PvM, Skillers, Minigamers (Some who wastes 10m in PvP items/Ice barrages daily at castle wars), PvP (Who uses VLS like a whip) amongst others. The maxxed cash issue is not a problem of the future, it is a problem of the now.

You just happen to have very elite friends.

I doubt it, with current money making methods without merching. It is possible to make 300m/month with only roughly 3-5 hrs of gameplay each day. 2.14bil can be thus reached in 7 month from a bank with 0gp worth. The stats required to do this is just Soloing GWD/TDs/DKs and/or teaming Corp. We know lvl 110s with a decent mage level can solo DKs. So if this was to keep up, what's to say that in 7 month from now, not every lvl 110+ would have max cash value banks? I'm pretty positive you can make more than 300m/month also with a good enough capital while merching as well. The 110- combat population might be slower, but they skill have PvP, Barrows, Nature Running, amongst other methods to make money at a constant 1m/hr. That is still 90m/month at 3 hrs of playing time each day. Even in F2P, with GOP 5050s you make (Sorry been away from that minigame too long. Sees_All1, if you see this help me correct if I'm wrong) 450k/hr with a lvl 3 account while being practically afk. So F2P Players can make a potential 45m/month at 3 hrs of game time each day. At this rate, you're looking at the RS population reaching maxxed cash without using the most efficient methods in roughly 2 years? What do you do then?

 

EDIT: I like the mith/addy/rune coin idea also. That could work :o