Chaotic Kiteshield > Divine Spirit Shield?

[Blutters]

 

I made the pictures, someone else do the maths... :(

[Logdotzip]

Until you can sell back a Chaotic Kiteshield for profit, or at all, then no, it's not better

 

Statwise though, with this setup, both are pretty spot on equal... Always always always depends on the situation when in use

[sa121]

What if you decide to stack steel titan with divine too? Can't add in a factor for one shield without factoring in the other and calling one better based on those results. Divine is always going to be better, sorry.

[Blutters]

What if you decide to stack steel titan with divine too? Can't add in a factor for one shield without factoring in the other and calling one better based on those results. Divine is always going to be better, sorry.

Err, I did? :mellow:

[Dragonlordjl]

Nope. Divine is still better. The CKS only negates hits over 200, while the DSS negates damage from ALL hits. Also, a +3 prayer bonus is pretty substantial. Moreover, in any boss-killing situation other than TDs with overloads, you're much better off using a Yak or a Pony.

[Squisher_33]

why would steel titan make the slightest bit of differance in which is better? makes no sence to add 15% to each of those setups and proove absoluetely nothing

 

its common knowledge to anyone who looks at the kb that chaotic has better def

 

however also since msot people know 30%> up to 10 or 20% then the effect of divine is 2x as good so its way better

[xpx]

First you'll be using steel titan VERY rarely, and even then it's alot worse. the reduced damage is 30% vs ~8%(between all combat styles, 200 dps min).

[wioneo]

Was there any update to chaotic shields, or did you leaveoff the bit about hits over 200?

 

In either case, divine is still better simply because 10-30% more blocked(depending on the style) will have a significantly larger effect than 20ish extra melee/range defense or LESS magic defense.

[Krampell]

Didn't somone investigate the shields and found out that it absorbs UP TO 10% melee and 20% range?

Divine is still better because it's always removes 30% damage.

[BeNiceOk]

Didn't somone investigate the shields and found out that it absorbs UP TO 10% melee and 20% range?

Divine is still better because it's always removes 30% damage.

 

Correct, its UP TO 10% and UP TO 20%, not always the maximum.

 

Chaotic Kite-shield in some circumstances is better than an Elysian, but Divine trumps all the shields in any situation.

[Hameigh]

Didn't somone investigate the shields and found out that it absorbs UP TO 10% melee and 20% range?

Divine is still better because it's always removes 30% damage.

Yep that UP TO is the big reason divine wins pretty much everywhere.

[sa121]

What if you decide to stack steel titan with divine too? Can't add in a factor for one shield without factoring in the other and calling one better based on those results. Divine is always going to be better, sorry.

Err, I did? :mellow:

Oh, thought you didn't factor it in for the divine. My bad. Anyways, it's been proven before that divine is better; why would adding the same factor to both sides of the equations do anything to boost one side and not the other?

[xpx]

What if you decide to stack steel titan with divine too? Can't add in a factor for one shield without factoring in the other and calling one better based on those results. Divine is always going to be better, sorry.

Err, I did? :mellow:

Oh, thought you didn't factor it in for the divine. My bad. Anyways, it's been proven before that divine is better; why would adding the same factor to both sides of the equations do anything to boost one side and not the other?

15% of 50 is 7,5, 15% of 100 is 15. simple maths, still you'd need to have around 200 more def for it to be a contributing factor.

[Cheefoo]

Didn't somone investigate the shields and found out that it absorbs UP TO 10% melee and 20% range?

Divine is still better because it's always removes 30% damage.

Yep that UP TO is the big reason divine wins pretty much everywhere.

 

Wait, WHAT?! So it's not even guaranteed to reduce 20%, even in the right circumstances?!

[Golvellius]

If you be meleeing then dragonfire and +8 str is better than 0 str another 20 def on choatic and pittly amount of damage reduction.

I won't talk to divine.

Its gaudy and semi-useless in my opinion.

If you want high priced junk get spiritual or arcane.

They serve more of a purpose.

[Krampell]

Didn't somone investigate the shields and found out that it absorbs UP TO 10% melee and 20% range?

Divine is still better because it's always removes 30% damage.

Yep that UP TO is the big reason divine wins pretty much everywhere.

 

Wait, WHAT?! So it's not even guaranteed to reduce 20%, even in the right circumstances?!

 

Correct, I think somone noted that it's usually around 8% reduction on range damage or something like that.

[xSxqPowerx]

UP TO 20% of one style and UP TO 10% of another style on ONLY hits above 200 is not better than 30% of every hit, even with the increase in defence (from shield, and from larger increase from titan).

[Obtaurian]

If you be meleeing then dragonfire and +8 str is better than 0 str another 20 def on choatic and pittly amount of damage reduction.

I won't talk to divine.

Its gaudy and semi-useless in my opinion.

If you want high priced junk get spiritual or arcane.

They serve more of a purpose.

 

You never cease to make me laugh. Say something about summoning next.

[Golvellius]

If you be meleeing then dragonfire and +8 str is better than 0 str another 20 def on choatic and pittly amount of damage reduction.

I won't talk to divine.

Its gaudy and semi-useless in my opinion.

If you want high priced junk get spiritual or arcane.

They serve more of a purpose.

 

You never cease to make me laugh. Say something about summoning next.

 

It sucks ass.

You satisfied?

[brunokiller]

Jagex: Here are new overpowered weapons and some shields that reduce up to 20% damage to compensate for said weapons.

 

Bruno: UP TO? Not even a guaranteed damage drain?? While the weapons have a guaranteed damage bonus over the old weapons?

 

Jagex: Oh well, I agree that's not really fair. Please point me to the nearest [bleep] so that I may suck it.

[stonewall337]

Most bosses Yak/pwny is better then Steel titan. Not to mention, where would you use that type of gear? No boss really needs that defense ATM.

[Obtaurian]

If you be meleeing then dragonfire and +8 str is better than 0 str another 20 def on choatic and pittly amount of damage reduction.

I won't talk to divine.

Its gaudy and semi-useless in my opinion.

If you want high priced junk get spiritual or arcane.

They serve more of a purpose.

 

You never cease to make me laugh. Say something about summoning next.

 

It sucks ass.

You satisfied?

 

I lol'd. Thank you. :thumbup:

[Blutters]

Okay.

 

How much more raw Defensive bonus do you need to compensate for 30% damage reduction?

 

When I made this thread, I was assuming it was ALWAYS 10%, meaning that the Divine would really only give 20% damage reduction over it. That quote was not altered at all; right there, it says nothing about "over 200" in the same line, but, rather, it is mentioned slightly below that...

It does in fact very clearly say "all" "damage above 200" in the KB; there is no mention of the percentage being somewhere in between 0% and 10%. I'm not disputing what some of you have said, rather, saying that perhaps my core source was incorrect.

 

This set up is purely for maximum Defense with the exclusion of PvP equipment.

The Steel Titan contributes a PERCENTAGE boost, which means that the gained effect should be higher as your raw Defense bonuses rise. Obviously, the additional initial defensive superiorities were not high enough to make a great enough difference, although I must ask what +30 slash Defense is worth...

[Lep]

+30 slash defense (and stab and crush, I don't know why we ignore them since they are both very viable options nowadays) is very significant. I actually can't believe I forgot about the Steel Titan and Iron Titans effects. So that makes Chaotic Kiteshield have even more blocking power. :shock:

[ghjkl]

Most bosses Yak/pwny is better then Steel titan. Not to mention, where would you use that type of gear? No boss really needs that defense ATM.

They don't, but titan is essential for crashing, especially to prevent people from leeching off you.