Chaotic Rapier vs Longsword

[Assume Nothing]

looks like you finaly got rapier, now go powerslay 99 def with it

 

well the fact that you say cls is a complete waste made me think.....not entirely, because cls is better at 1 thing and 1 thing only, thats wyverns

 

however as proven today by zarfat himself

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwDfsBcojIQ&feature=sub

 

so it looks like cls is truely useless.

 

the previous 2 scenarios that i would maybe have given to cls was bandos and wyvern tasks, but now i must agree it has no use

To the select few people who actually play lots of castle wars. CLS works with the profound armor, but the Maul does not. It maxes at about the same as the maul because of this. For meleeing, I believe CLS is best at castle wars. Really only a very select scenario tho.

 

Swh is the best weapon at Castlewars.

 

No, it's not.

Yes, it is. See what I just did?

 

In terms of DPS, of course it's not the greatest weapon there. But the KO potential is huge, with Profound and C'wars Bracelet. I think it could easily hit 60+ on Prot Melee.

[xpx]

In terms of DPS, of course it's not the greatest weapon there. But the KO potential is huge, with Profound and C'wars Bracelet. I think it could easily hit 60+ on Prot Melee.

You know swh has lower strength bonus and is slower than the cls, right? And if you are referring to the special attack, VLS would be much, much better.

 

Rapier is best with profound as people don't usually wear full barrows armor.

[Assume Nothing]

In terms of DPS, of course it's not the greatest weapon there. But the KO potential is huge, with Profound and C'wars Bracelet. I think it could easily hit 60+ on Prot Melee.

You know swh has lower strength bonus and is slower than the cls, right? And if you are referring to the special attack, VLS would be much, much better.

 

Rapier is best with profound as people don't usually wear full barrows armor.

 

I thought the special attack on Swh was 30% more damage, whilst the VLS was 25% more damage? I dunno =/. I do remember maxing far higher with AGS than VLS in PvP though

[xpx]

In terms of DPS, of course it's not the greatest weapon there. But the KO potential is huge, with Profound and C'wars Bracelet. I think it could easily hit 60+ on Prot Melee.

You know swh has lower strength bonus and is slower than the cls, right? And if you are referring to the special attack, VLS would be much, much better.

 

Rapier is best with profound as people don't usually wear full barrows armor.

 

I thought the special attack on Swh was 30% more damage, whilst the VLS was 25% more damage? I dunno =/. I do remember maxing far higher with AGS than VLS in PvP though

25% swh, 20% VLS, VLS is faster and special costs less(25% vs. 35%). Really, a little research never hurts before going out of your way defending a weapon. VLS special is also EXTREMELY accurate.

[Assume Nothing]

In terms of DPS, of course it's not the greatest weapon there. But the KO potential is huge, with Profound and C'wars Bracelet. I think it could easily hit 60+ on Prot Melee.

You know swh has lower strength bonus and is slower than the cls, right? And if you are referring to the special attack, VLS would be much, much better.

 

Rapier is best with profound as people don't usually wear full barrows armor.

 

I thought the special attack on Swh was 30% more damage, whilst the VLS was 25% more damage? I dunno =/. I do remember maxing far higher with AGS than VLS in PvP though

25% swh, 20% VLS, VLS is faster and special costs less(25% vs. 35%). Really, a little research never hurts before going out of your way defending a weapon. VLS special is also EXTREMELY accurate.

 

It was barely an argument. I based it on experience of the weapons, not looking up the stats of it. I know how accurate a VLS can be.

[stonewall337]

looks like you finaly got rapier, now go powerslay 99 def with it

 

well the fact that you say cls is a complete waste made me think.....not entirely, because cls is better at 1 thing and 1 thing only, thats wyverns

 

however as proven today by zarfat himself

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwDfsBcojIQ&feature=sub

 

so it looks like cls is truely useless.

 

the previous 2 scenarios that i would maybe have given to cls was bandos and wyvern tasks, but now i must agree it has no use

CR only wins @ high def bosses with defender. Without a defender, and maxing out your offense, CLS is still better. EG, with ardy cape 3 and defender, CR>CLS @ bandos. However, divine+CLS>divine+CR.

[Krampell]

I agree, at places where you need to use a good shield instead of a defender like at high defence bosses like Bandos, CLS is better then CR, in most other senarios, CR wins.

[Squisher_33]

looks like you finaly got rapier, now go powerslay 99 def with it

 

well the fact that you say cls is a complete waste made me think.....not entirely, because cls is better at 1 thing and 1 thing only, thats wyverns

 

however as proven today by zarfat himself

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwDfsBcojIQ&feature=sub

 

so it looks like cls is truely useless.

 

the previous 2 scenarios that i would maybe have given to cls was bandos and wyvern tasks, but now i must agree it has no use

CR only wins @ high def bosses with defender. Without a defender, and maxing out your offense, CLS is still better. EG, with ardy cape 3 and defender, CR>CLS @ bandos. However, divine+CLS>divine+CR.

 

name 1 high def boss where you woudlnt use a defender?

 

faster kills = more kills per hour = more money, if you can last 1h with defender and get 30 kills/h, but you can last 2h with a divine and kill 25/h, then defender is better

 

also if you use a divine at a boss like bandos ull get crashed pretty bad

 

in my eyes divine is totaly useless, defender is better in any scenario

[Naraku893]

looks like you finaly got rapier, now go powerslay 99 def with it

 

well the fact that you say cls is a complete waste made me think.....not entirely, because cls is better at 1 thing and 1 thing only, thats wyverns

 

however as proven today by zarfat himself

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwDfsBcojIQ&feature=sub

 

so it looks like cls is truely useless.

 

the previous 2 scenarios that i would maybe have given to cls was bandos and wyvern tasks, but now i must agree it has no use

CR only wins @ high def bosses with defender. Without a defender, and maxing out your offense, CLS is still better. EG, with ardy cape 3 and defender, CR>CLS @ bandos. However, divine+CLS>divine+CR.

 

name 1 high def boss where you woudlnt use a defender?

 

faster kills = more kills per hour = more money, if you can last 1h with defender and get 30 kills/h, but you can last 2h with a divine and kill 25/h, then defender is better

 

also if you use a divine at a boss like bandos ull get crashed pretty bad

 

in my eyes divine is totaly useless, defender is better in any scenario

 

 

agreed

 

you should only use a defener at most if not all bosses. plus its all about the dps. if your looking for dph at masses or something use a maul.

again cls has no use. if you buy a cls that is clearly a waste of tokens

[stonewall337]

Most bosses I solo I'll use divine over defender ^.^.

 

Not to mention I prefer pking with CLS over CR, and TDS CLS is comparable, if not better then CR, even with defender.

[ghjkl]

Most bosses I solo I'll use divine over defender ^.^.

 

Not to mention I prefer pking with CLS over CR, and TDS CLS is comparable, if not better then CR, even with defender.

Currently, there is no reason to use divine compared to defender anywhere besides dks (which rapier is better for anyway). The faster kills with defender more than makes up for the longer and more boring trips with divine.

[Bladewing]

don't forget lower chance of ko'ing with divine, that's a plus

 

at td's with steel titan i use it so i don't have to brew as often; i get more kills per hour (as well as longer trips) with divine instead of defender

[stonewall337]

don't forget lower chance of ko'ing with divine, that's a plus

 

at td's with steel titan i use it so i don't have to brew as often; i get more kills per hour (as well as longer trips) with divine instead of defender

This. I prefer the security, especially since I often don't have time for 2 trips.

[Obtaurian]

I would prefer using a shield (divine or otherwise) simply because I like killing the boss more than I like getting the KC. The same applies for non-GWD bosses: I prefer longer trips and less banking. Of course, bringing both a rune defender AND a normal shield would be the best route (assuming you're getting KC or expecting to be crashed, that is).

 

Whenever I tried boss hunting as a ~120, I hated all of the preparation required for just five minutes of actual boss-time (talking about Bandos GWD, specifically).

[MstrMonopoly]

I just got a rapier, and it's absolute ownage on everything I've used it on so far (irons, nechs, TDs, DKs, Zammy). I'll try it out on higher defense bosses later but so far I regret nothing.

[Obtaurian]

I just got a rapier, and it's absolute ownage on everything I've used it on so far (irons, nechs, TDs, DKs, Zammy). I'll try it out on higher defense bosses later but so far I regret nothing.

 

Big mistake. :( What about Gremmy's attraction tests and Cheeesy's DSP calculations?

[TheAncient]

Again, another iteration of "personal opinion = fact"

 

Most of the conclusions are highly dependent on personal preferences. There's gonna be "one right answer" for each specific situation but that answer depends on so many variables out of our control that it's more or less pointless to try to do all of that research to find it out.

[SirIzenhime]

Again, another iteration of "personal opinion = fact"

 

Most of the conclusions are highly dependent on personal preferences. There's gonna be "one right answer" for each specific situation but that answer depends on so many variables out of our control that it's more or less pointless to try to do all of that research to find it out.

 

A statement this thread has been proving for the past 4 pages

[MstrMonopoly]

I just got a rapier, and it's absolute ownage on everything I've used it on so far (irons, nechs, TDs, DKs, Zammy). I'll try it out on higher defense bosses later but so far I regret nothing.

 

Big mistake. :( What about Gremmy's attraction tests and Cheeesy's DSP calculations?

 

I just re-looked at those. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice... you don't fool me twice. I'll be sure to get the Far-Seer kite next.

[Greg295]

I may be wrong, but as i understand it a new dwarf quest and hopefully the dragon defender is coming out early 2011ish, and with an even bigger boost to accuracy wouldent this make the rapier more superior to cls @ solo bandos? There is a stab accuracy difference of +7 between adamant and rune defender, seeing how rune equipment requires lv40 and dragon lv60, im guessing the difference between rune/dragon defenders are going to be around 14, and a boost this great would benefit a rapier more over a cls more because of its -30ish accuracy to the cls, right?

[MstrMonopoly]

I may be wrong, but as i understand it a new dwarf quest and hopefully the dragon defender is coming out early 2011ish, and with an even bigger boost to accuracy wouldent this make the rapier more superior to cls @ solo bandos? There is a stab accuracy difference of +7 between adamant and rune defender, seeing how rune equipment requires lv40 and dragon lv60, im guessing the difference between rune/dragon defenders are going to be around 14, and a boost this great would benefit a rapier more over a cls more because of its -30ish accuracy to the cls, right?

 

The flipside is that bosses with even higher defence will be created, giving the CLS the edge.

[ghjkl]

I think grimy said that as long as a monster has infinite slash and stab defense, rapier beats longsword with max accuracy/str gear.

[stonewall337]

I think grimy said that as long as a monster has infinite slash and stab defense, rapier beats longsword with max accuracy/str gear.

Exactly, the 2 reasons I got CLS 2nd instead of maul was because I have divine. I'll be getting CM next. CLS+defender<CR+defender @ bandos, but you lose shield, and CLS+shield>CR+shield @ bandos.

[Greg295]

That may be true, but untill we know the best tactics on that particular boss, your statement is obsolite. This boss could need spears to be killed like corp, or perhaps its only vularable to ranged or magic. The same can be said about the dragon defender and how we dont know its actuall stats yet, but we do know the bosses we will be using it against if its anything like my prediction.

[Greg295]

That was ment to be directed at mr.monopoly, im on my ipod and cannot quote properly.