Chaotic Rapier vs Longsword

[Quyneax]

Anyone have an idea of DPS of maul vs SS against waterfiends?

 

Not sure but maul can hit 700+ on task.

 

I'm starting to have seconds thoughts on getting the maul, since the SS is 50% faster. In general, I prize speed over accuracy and strength, so I'm wondering if anyone has done any conclusive testing comparing the 2 weapons there?

I'm quite sure the maul has higher dps than any other weapon in the game (on waterfiends, of course) with the possible exception of pvp gear (swh + spec restores or ct fiends + vesta spear + spec restores?), and I think it'd beat most of those, too.

[TheAncient]

Anyone have an idea of DPS of maul vs SS against waterfiends?

 

Not sure but maul can hit 700+ on task.

 

I'm starting to have seconds thoughts on getting the maul, since the SS is 50% faster. In general, I prize speed over accuracy and strength, so I'm wondering if anyone has done any conclusive testing comparing the 2 weapons there?

I'm quite sure the maul has higher dps than any other weapon in the game (on waterfiends, of course) with the possible exception of pvp gear (swh + spec restores or ct fiends + vesta spear + spec restores?), and I think it'd beat most of those, too.

 

No... maybe you mean damage per attack. but definitely not dps.

 

A first order approximation: (off task)

Max hit with SS = 450ish?

Max hit with maul = 650ish

450*1.5 = 675

 

And since WF defense is nonnegligible i think we can be pretty sure that maul is better.

[Quyneax]

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Anyone have an idea of DPS of maul vs SS against waterfiends?

 

Not sure but maul can hit 700+ on task.

 

I'm starting to have seconds thoughts on getting the maul, since the SS is 50% faster. In general, I prize speed over accuracy and strength, so I'm wondering if anyone has done any conclusive testing comparing the 2 weapons there?

I'm quite sure the maul has higher dps than any other weapon in the game (on waterfiends, of course) with the possible exception of pvp gear (swh + spec restores or ct fiends + vesta spear + spec restores?), and I think it'd beat most of those, too.

 

No... maybe you mean damage per attack. but definitely not dps.

 

A first order approximation: (off task)

Max hit with SS = 450ish?

Max hit with maul = 650ish

450*1.5 = 675

 

And since WF defense is nonnegligible i think we can be pretty sure that maul is better.

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Was that a no to me or one to Impressionist or...?

[gremmy]

 

Oh god, come on...

[SirIzenhime]

 

Oh god, come on...

 

That was directed at whom....?

[Naraku893]

Maul has its uses if you are on a budget I would stick to it instead of having to buy and re-sell SS

[TheAncient]

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No... maybe you mean damage per attack. but definitely not dps.

 

A first order approximation: (off task)

Max hit with SS = 450ish?

Max hit with maul = 650ish

450*1.5 = 675

 

And since WF defense is nonnegligible i think we can be pretty sure that maul is better.

Was that a no to me or one to Impressionist or...?

 

Emphasized part was to you, other part is to impressionist.

[Quyneax]

 

No... maybe you mean damage per attack. but definitely not dps.

 

A first order approximation: (off task)

Max hit with SS = 450ish?

Max hit with maul = 650ish

450*1.5 = 675

 

And since WF defense is nonnegligible i think we can be pretty sure that maul is better.

Was that a no to me or one to Impressionist or...?

 

Emphasized part was to you, other part is to impressionist.

But didn't I say maul would be the best? So, I wasn't contradicting you? I'm confused :-?.

[Dire_Wolf]

Chaotic rapier seems to be winning:

1) Corporeal beast

 

3) Most slayer tasks

[Bladewing]

rapier does not win at corp, zamorakian spear wins

 

rapier wins on every slayer task but

- wyverns: maul > cls > rapier

- waterfiends: maul

 

rapier wins at dks

 

things that i am not sure about:

 

cls + divine > rapier + divine at tds

cls + divine > rapier + divine at graardor

[Dire_Wolf]

rapier does not win at corp, zamorakian spear wins

Why does Zamorakian spear win?

[gypsyeater]

Why would a cls+divine be better than cr+divine? Because of the stats lost from the absence of a defender?

[Assume Nothing]

rapier does not win at corp, zamorakian spear wins

Why does Zamorakian spear win?

 

Because anything non-spear/Halberd does half damage (justified from xp/hit thing, and the 40-40 min hit of Dbow with Dragon Arrows)

 

One exception to that is mage

[Smapla]

Why would a cls+divine be better than cr+divine? Because of the stats lost from the absence of a defender?

 

 

essentially yes.

 

the rapier is exceptionally good when in extremely powerful (offensively-wise) gear, because the strength and accuracy bonuses from your other armour somewhat diminish the importance of the stats of your weapon. think of it this way: if we had armour that provided a 1000 strength and accuracy bonus, then the stats of the CR or CLS would be nearly the same, the only difference being the speed. at that high of a strength and accuracy, you'd just want to hit as fast as possible. the appeal of the longsword is its accuracy and strength bonus, both of which become proportionally less when you start adding better armour into the mix.

[stonewall337]

I still prefer CLS+Defender to CLS/CR+defender at TDs, even in void. I'd only consider divine if using titan, which is a [bleep] to use.

[Bladewing]

I still prefer CLS+Defender to CLS/CR+defender at TDs, even in void. I'd only consider divine if using titan, which is a [bleep] to use.

haha titan owns, so i definitely use a divine

 

but yeah microing can be annoying to learn, especially making sure your titan isn't right next to the demon, because then sometimes it'll melee instead of range

[ghjkl]

rapier does not win at corp, zamorakian spear wins

 

rapier wins on every slayer task but

- wyverns: maul > cls > rapier

- waterfiends: maul

 

rapier wins at dks

 

things that i am not sure about:

 

cls + divine > rapier + divine at tds

cls + divine > rapier + divine at graardor

wat

[Smapla]

rapier does not win at corp, zamorakian spear wins

 

rapier wins on every slayer task but

- wyverns: maul > cls > rapier

- waterfiends: maul

 

rapier wins at dks

 

things that i am not sure about:

 

cls + divine > rapier + divine at tds

cls + divine > rapier + divine at graardor

wat

 

apparently using soul split and a unicorn you can survive there using a 2 handed weapon and superantifires

[SirIzenhime]

rapier does not win at corp, zamorakian spear wins

 

rapier wins on every slayer task but

- wyverns: maul > cls > rapier

- waterfiends: maul

 

rapier wins at dks

 

things that i am not sure about:

 

cls + divine > rapier + divine at tds

cls + divine > rapier + divine at graardor

wat

 

apparently using soul split and a unicorn you can survive there using a 2 handed weapon and superantifires

 

I don't think super antis have any effect on wyverns

[Nerd_Nolifer]

Surprisingly, a CR has a surprisingly good DPS on waterfiends (at least while you're on task.) Everyone assumes that since WFs are weak to crush and resistant to slash that they'd have good stab defence, but it's mediocre at best.

 

I haven't done the tests (since I'm 99 summon I've blocked WF tasks) but just from friends I have heard CR can at least compete with SS/ZS there, if not maul.

[xpx]

Surprisingly, a CR has a surprisingly good DPS on waterfiends (at least while you're on task.) Everyone assumes that since WFs are weak to crush and resistant to slash that they'd have good stab defence, but it's mediocre at best.

 

I haven't done the tests (since I'm 99 summon I've blocked WF tasks) but just from friends I have heard CR can at least compete with SS/ZS there, if not maul.

I tested this quite a bit of time ago, and rapier is worse than zs/ss, but not by alot(10% or so).

[ghjkl]

rapier does not win at corp, zamorakian spear wins

 

rapier wins on every slayer task but

- wyverns: maul > cls > rapier

- waterfiends: maul

 

rapier wins at dks

 

things that i am not sure about:

 

cls + divine > rapier + divine at tds

cls + divine > rapier + divine at graardor

wat

 

apparently using soul split and a unicorn you can survive there using a 2 handed weapon and superantifires

Nice money waste

[Bladewing]

i think you don't need unicorn actually to use maul

[Lugia_Lvl138]

I still prefer CLS+Defender to CLS/CR+defender at TDs, even in void. I'd only consider divine if using titan, which is a [bleep] to use.

haha titan owns, so i definitely use a divine

 

but yeah microing can be annoying to learn, especially making sure your titan isn't right next to the demon, because then sometimes it'll melee instead of range

 

I learned "microing" without much trouble. The real problem is people who come in and mess up your lures.

[Zaaps1]

Surprisingly, a CR has a surprisingly good DPS on waterfiends (at least while you're on task.) Everyone assumes that since WFs are weak to crush and resistant to slash that they'd have good stab defence, but it's mediocre at best.

 

I haven't done the tests (since I'm 99 summon I've blocked WF tasks) but just from friends I have heard CR can at least compete with SS/ZS there, if not maul.

I tested this quite a bit of time ago, and rapier is worse than zs/ss, but not by alot(10% or so).

 

That's interesting, actually.

 

Although how do we know they have good slash defense? I've whipped them before, and it wasn't half bad.