Pro DGing

[Viv]

Probably not gonna be dunging for a while. Just found a surgebox and raising my rc to 70 for it. Then I will train some easy skills to 90 like craft and con. Is keying much easier with high levels? Does having a maxed person raise the level of all skill doors?

 

when i look at someone like rela rela5 (aka dark lust) whos is the #1 dunger (well hes #1 dunger - a diving spirit shield) its no surprise why he became #1

 

people look at his 2k total and bad skills and thnk. how does he dung? honestly if i was the keyer and we had 4 people like him, theres no surprise why the go so fast

 

if hes a non keyer, players like him make the keyer so much faster because they have no skills, so in a way him having bad stats was an advantage since he doesnt key

 

the ideal team would either be 5x maxed, or 1 high and 4 low. basicly if ur maxed ur forced to dung with 4 other maxed or ull slow things down, if your low total its an advantage on the average dung team

it sucks but thats the way it is lol well id say if ur maxed one-2 of ur nonkeyers need to also be maxed. someone with no skills may lower pot door frequency not sure tho..i wish 100+ were more rare..

[brunokiller]

Given that I have a primal maul(love the 700+ hits) and a hood (also love it), and if i would find a hexhunter, what should I unbind?

[green9090]

Given that I have a primal maul(love the 700+ hits) and a hood (also love it), and if i would find a hexhunter, what should I unbind?

The maul. You should really unbind the maul anyway- being limited to crush is pretty unhelpful. A 2h will get you a MUCH MUCH MUCH higher average dps.

 

But yeah, if you're going to unbind something for a hexhunter pre-100 dung, make it your weapon. Hoods can be very annoying to reobtain (I don't think I've seen one since like 85 dung and I'm almost 94 now), whereas a melee weapon can be pretty quickly cobbled together if you need one.

[stonewall337]

The question is, should you bind a HHB if you are under 100 DG? You lose much use to your team all the way to 100.

[green9090]

I don't think it'd be so bad if you also have a surgebox. Then you could own both mages and warriors as well as almost any boss. Your only real weakness would be other rangers, but everyone else likely will have melee weapons anyway. And, worst case, you can spend a little down time to make yourself a 2h/spear. Not the end of the world considering how rare hexhunters are.

 

Edit: whoa disregard that you can't have arrows and a surgebox lol.

 

Yeah, I dunno.

[Quyneax]

Edit: whoa disregard that you can't have arrows and a surgebox lol.

 

Yeah, I dunno.

Starting table arrows are not great but at 99 range you get kata arrows pretty often, so you could go with that, making an empowered fire staff if you got time.

[Viv]

i keep seeing soulgazers and no bow lol ! oh well i dont want it anyway !

[Peronix]

Haha, I just got on a pretty pro team and I was the only hoodless one. None of them complained about it. But guess what I got during the dungeon... :grin:

 

I regret getting that stupid tome of frost though, another 43k I have to get back before rapier. Love the arcane stream, though. It's beast.

[TheAncient]

*Hex maxes are estimates.

 

*SPEAR IS WRONG. I forgot that it doesn't use zerker. DPS is about 60, max 360.

 

Things to note:

-- Max magic DPS at least as high as max melee DPS

-- Max range DPS with Hex may or may not be the highest DPS

-- Normal range DPS is the lowest among all of the options considered

[Blutters]

Typo? You meant surge right?

[TheAncient]

Typo? You meant surge right?

 

Yeah, surge, wave, or whatever ambiguous attack name jagex put on it

[Grimy_Bunyip]

*Hex maxes are estimates.

 

*SPEAR IS WRONG. I forgot that it doesn't use zerker. DPS is about 60, max 360.

 

Things to note:

-- Max magic DPS at least as high as max melee DPS

-- Max range DPS with Hex may or may not be the highest DPS

-- Normal range DPS is the lowest among all of the options considered

are you sure your weapon speeds are correct?

max hit with non hex range is 188, so 225 with T10 desperado, 7 speed

that should be about equal to the DPS of a primal 2H. considering a primal 2h is about 4 speed 460 ish max with tier 10 berserker.

 

are you assuming shortbow or longbow btw?

maybe that's it, because I know both of us use almost exactly the same DPS equation.

 

hex hits about double on tier 11 forgotten mages, and has better accuracy, so it has over 2x the DPS of a primal 2h on tier 11 forgotten mages.

[TheAncient]

*Hex maxes are estimates.

 

*SPEAR IS WRONG. I forgot that it doesn't use zerker. DPS is about 60, max 360.

 

Things to note:

-- Max magic DPS at least as high as max melee DPS

-- Max range DPS with Hex may or may not be the highest DPS

-- Normal range DPS is the lowest among all of the options considered

are you sure your weapon speeds are correct?

max hit with non hex range is 188, so 225 with T10 desperado, 7 speed

that should be about equal to the DPS of a primal 2H. considering a primal 2h is about 4 speed 460 ish max with tier 10 berserker.

 

are you assuming shortbow or longbow btw?

maybe that's it, because I know both of us use almost exactly the same DPS equation.

 

hex hits about double on tier 11 forgotten mages, and has better accuracy, so it has over 2x the DPS of a primal 2h on tier 11 forgotten mages.

 

I thought bows were 6 speed? guess not

So hex max is like 450?

[Grimy_Bunyip]

*Hex maxes are estimates.

 

*SPEAR IS WRONG. I forgot that it doesn't use zerker. DPS is about 60, max 360.

 

Things to note:

-- Max magic DPS at least as high as max melee DPS

-- Max range DPS with Hex may or may not be the highest DPS

-- Normal range DPS is the lowest among all of the options considered

are you sure your weapon speeds are correct?

max hit with non hex range is 188, so 225 with T10 desperado, 7 speed

that should be about equal to the DPS of a primal 2H. considering a primal 2h is about 4 speed 460 ish max with tier 10 berserker.

 

are you assuming shortbow or longbow btw?

maybe that's it, because I know both of us use almost exactly the same DPS equation.

 

hex hits about double on tier 11 forgotten mages, and has better accuracy, so it has over 2x the DPS of a primal 2h on tier 11 forgotten mages.

 

I thought bows were 6 speed? guess not

So hex max is like 450?

shortbows/hexhunters are 6 speed when not on rapid, they are 7 speed on rapid

nah, I guess i exagerrated. Hexhunter max without desperado is 338 on tier 11 mages i think, so about 405 with desperado.

[Boeg3]

According to the table, rapier is better than 2h - but arent you forgetting to calculate monster weaknesses, and strong defence?

That table relies on every weapon beeing equally accurate.. no?

[TheAncient]

According to the table, rapier is better than 2h - but arent you forgetting to calculate monster weaknesses, and strong defence?

That table relies on every weapon beeing equally accurate.. no?

 

I think you misunderstood the point of the table. you're right - they assume 100% accuracy - and that's the point.

 

the main point of the table is to show the best possible performance of each weapon. the actual DPS will be much lower.

 

the point in showing max DPS is that it gives you a sense of how much DPS you're losing to gain accuracy. for example, the table tells us that rapier beats baxe by roughly 4/68 = 6% raw DPS. Therefore, for baxe to be better than rapier, it must be 1/(1-0.06) = 1.064 times as accurate as rapier.

[Unknown_Warrior]

I read your guide thoroughly and I found out I'm suited for neither role. :thumbup:

Pity really, I was quite interested in teaming. And I have a very, very low stupidity tolerance.

[Squisher_33]

magic is definately not underpowered in dung, aspecialy on warped bosses/floors

[Obtaurian]

So the assumption that warped would be weakest to magic is true? I've been hearing about primal rapier/surgebox/hood binds -- is that a new staple? Why?

 

PS: I really hate that literally ALL of my friends have 100+ dungeoneering. [bleep] you guys. <3

[TheAncient]

So the assumption that warped would be weakest to magic is true? I've been hearing about primal rapier/surgebox/hood binds -- is that a new staple? Why?

 

PS: I really hate that literally ALL of my friends have 100+ dungeoneering. [bleep] you guys. <3

 

based on those DPS calculations, it seems like rapier can only be a maximum of 6% better than battleaxe. i don't think that's enough to justify basically losing 50 slash, all crush, etc.

 

baxe + hood + plate / laws / tank-gatherer for keying, with quickswitching ring

2h + hood + plate / laws / gatherer for keying, without quickswitching ring

baxe + hood + plate / laws / tank for keying, without quickswitching ring

baxe + hood + plate / surgebox / zerker-blazer for DPS using magic and melee

2h + hood + plate / laws / zerker for melee-only DPS

2h + hood + hex / sagg / zerker-desperado for DPS using range and melee, with quickswitching ring

spear + hood + hex / sagg / desperado for DPS using range and melee, without quickswitching ring

[Squisher_33]

yes but in wapred things are week to stab, biggest example of this is brutes

 

the belief is anything low def rapier will kill, anything high def mage will kill

 

hellhounds and a few other monsters are also weak to stab

 

things that you need to crush, such as skeles or fire giants, are very weak to mage so you dont need crush

 

rapier shines on low def, and is weakest on things like bosses, however almsot every warped boss is weak to mage from my experience

 

heck even with 2h or primal spear i still find mage more accurate

 

however theres nothing wrong with binding a 2h weapon and a surgebox, usualy when you mage you take off ur weapon anyways, so its realy easy to wiled the box to mage, then back to weapon to melee so i still think a 2h and surgebox is fine, it doesnt have to be 1 handed. also when you mage you usualy spend 1k and make a t1 fire staff anyways, so youll wield that to fire rather than use rapier + wind

[green9090]

also when you mage you usualy spend 1k and make a t1 fire staff anyways, so youll wield that to fire rather than use rapier + wind

Wouldn't it be worth it to just chop a high tier log and make an empowered fire staff out of that rather than buying a crappy log? It's not like good wood is usually hard to come across.

[SirIzenhime]

seems a bit of extra effort for situational maging. Wouldn't you save more time just buying enough for a fire staff at the start, rather than looking during the dungeon, cutting it down, then going back to the stat room later to make the staff, just for a damage boost that will only be taken advantage of on a few monsters?

[Obtaurian]

seems a bit of extra effort for situational maging. Wouldn't you save more time just buying enough for a fire staff at the start, rather than looking during the dungeon, cutting it down, then going back to the stat room later to make the staff, just for a damage boost that will only be taken advantage of on a few monsters?

 

I imagine that finding the right logs and a random altar whilst working on the floor wouldn't be too tedious.

[SirIzenhime]

what did the altar have to do with that... :huh:

I know it wouldn't be necessarily tedious, but as far as I can tell, this thread is about maximizing Dung xp, and taking the extra time to make a better staff for situational use sounds questionable to me.