Spot stealing wrong?

[Zierro]

While I will say it is annoying when someone pops onto my world and starts competing with me, it is also an integral part of the game. Competition is more or less the spirit of gathering resources in Runescape. Not to mention, it is not *my* ore rock - it belongs to the online world.

 

On the other hand, should morality be different just because it's a game on the internet? I'm sure scamming could be argued to be just a part of the game too because it demonstrates that you should be skeptical and cautious around strangers. Offensive language could also be put up there - I'm sure goblins wouldn't have many nice things to say about you while you're slaying them.

 

So here is a more specific question: Why does Jagex think resource competing (something that could be deemed immoral and selfish in real life) isn't breaking the fourth wall of real morality - but other acts such as name calling and scamming are?

[SoulWars]

Morality shouldn't be different just because it's over the Internet; e-bullying, for example, also has its effect. Offensive language isn't always offensive, though, so that's a common mistake on Jagex's part. It might be foul, but it's not offensive. If it is, then yeah, I guess. Regarding your last question, I have no idea. Doesn't make sense to me.

[Obtaurian]

There's a huge thread on this very subject.

[strilmus]

There was an incredibly long and harrowing topic about this already.

 

In the end, it was up to Jagex to define what parameters were considered game specific competition, what was a necessary limited distribution of resources, or perhaps just what was a feasible amount of activity any one server could carry without putting too much strain on either the community's or the company's needs.

 

It was up to the players to interpret the intent.

 

For the most part, there doesn't appear to be any signs of this changing any time soon, so it is just competition after all. There may never be true satisfaction due to the nature of the situation, even if both sides wanted to resolve it.

[Bladewing]

"spot stealing is wrong"

> whoever was at the spot first has the right to it

> if you leave a spot, and return later, the person who came second should defer to you

> whoever joined runescape first and used a spot first has the right to it

> elitism is good, kids

 

oh and also:

Why does Jagex think resource competing (something that would typically be immoral and selfish in real life) isn't breaking the fourth wall of real morality - but other acts such as name calling and scamming are?

resource competing (something that would typically be immoral and selfish in real life)

competition is immoral irl? u sure bout dat?

[testingsomestuff123]

This will end up like the crashing thread. :s

 

But anyway, I do find it annoying, but if they have the stats to, then go ahead.

[FooK-A-Ji]

It's called spot stealing.

There is a skill named Theiving, which is the same as stealing.

Jagex likes stealing.

 

Moral of story: Go steal spots.

[strilmus]

It's strange that Jagex is okay with us robbing the entire NPC populace but you can only steal outright from other players in Stealing Creation as opposed to just blocking somebody else from accessing content.

 

Although in hindsight, that minigame's title kind of gave that away.

[SirIzenhime]

If i'm killing nechryael in the chaos tunnels, and someone comes and stats taking my kills, I'll get upset. I personally feel it's not right to just kick someone out of a spot when there's other worlds to use.

If I leave to bank, come back and someone is there, I'll hop.

 

Not like I have to worry about being crashed anymore...but when it does...what can you do? It's runescape...crashing happens.

[Zierro]

There was an incredibly long and harrowing topic about this already.

 

This thread provokes the question of what Jagex's standards are when considering something to be a necessary rule (which breaks the fourth wall) or merely just "the spirit of the game" - as they put it themselves. That one is just about the general ethics behind crashing. If you think it's too similar though, you can lock it.

 

competition is immoral irl? u sure bout dat?

 

You've never seen someone rant about capitalism before? I don't believe you.

[Youmu]

Spot stealing is not wrong in any way - in fact in some situations you HAVE to do this, the prime example being mining.

 

This is not a matter of morality. It's a matter of getting your resources and experience in the most effective way.

 

Jagex did not specifically state that spot stealing is against the rules in any way.

[green9090]

My opinion on crashing is, if you're at a spot where you can easily find another world by hopping once or twice, crashing is not okay and just annoying.

 

However, if you're either at the best world (for example, world 2 KBD soloing because of fast spawns), or someplace extremely crowded on every world (Bandos), you need to be prepared to defend your spot. I'll crash someone who isn't very good taking up a prime resource no problem, because they haven't earned the ability to defend it. It's different from just happening to be on the same world as someone else and crashing because you're a jerk- this is a resource that only a certain number of people can use at once, so may the best man win.

[green9090]

Site wouldn't load for a few minutes and I came back to find I had double posted, despite clicking the button once -.-

[Ginger_Warrior]

It boils down to this for me:

 

Would I rather spend the next 30 minutes of my time focusing my peripheral attention on the telly/music/film I've put on to take my mind off things, or would I rather spend it competing over some virtual resource with someone I can't even meet face to face?

 

Just world hop. It's easier.

[SirHartlar]

I don't think there's anything wrong with spot stealing in most situations; it's happened to me and I've done it to other people.

[BeNiceOk]

So here is a more specific question: Why does Jagex think resource competing (something that could be deemed immoral and selfish in real life) isn't breaking the fourth wall of real morality - but other acts such as name calling and scamming are?

 

The entire game is built on competition. If you choose to compete or not is your choice. Competition has nothing to do with morality, but the things you do after a person crashes might be. Name calling, taunting, and scamming are "unmoral" since they are basically an attack on someone directly in a way they can't really defend themselves.

 

When me and my friends go to DK's we take the highest spawning world we can. If another group beats us after a few kills, we hop. If they don't beat us then the world is ours. Nothing is "unmoral" about this, as it is clear-cut competition for a resource. However, if we were to try and get the Kings to kill them to make them hop, that would be immoral, since its an personal attack at them directly in which they cant really defend against it.

 

So its not really the competing for resources that is wrong, but when people go the extra step to "troll" someone after they lose the resource that is wrong. If you win a resource, be quiet and enjoy the benefits of the item you can gain faster. If you lose a resource, be quiet and hop to a world where you can gain resources faster than someone else. Unless everything becomes instanced, Jagex is basically saying competition is part of the game.

[Legionwizard]

I don't think there's anything wrong with spot stealing in most situations; it's happened to me and I've done it to other people.

This, except for some real ridiculous situations (like perhaps in ct nechs). Imo, treat others as you like to be treated yourself. I don't mind giving advise to other players and I realise I'm a high leveled player. I'm not going to squable over resources for which I know there are better/empty worlds, I don't steal spots just to get a kick.

 

If I try to hold a spot at some boss and someone tries to steal it of which I know I'm out of his/hers league, I'm not gonna start whining. If I feel I stand a good chance however, I will compete (to have them respect ma authoritaah). Especially when that resource is camped often.

[Danqazmlp]

I think it would be nice to have a thread on this subject which is NOT about bosses where competition is forced due to lack of worlds. This is different from the crashing thread in that regard.

[holiday]

If they are weaker than me, I steal. If they are stronger I hop. Survival of the fittest!

[Logdotzip]

Spot stealing bad?

 

The short answer is no.

 

The longer answer is no, it's not.

[Ejaz01]

Learn to click, in my opinion, the better clicker with better skill deserves the rock if he/she wants it, if you can outmine the outminer then gratz you deserve the rock.

[Arthu]

It's called spot stealing.

There is a skill named Theiving, which is the same as stealing.

Jagex likes stealing.

 

Moral of story: Go steal spots.

 

This. You aren't exactly the nicest person killing all the poor monsters for a chance at loot, either.

[Afishinsea]

Runescape's [bleep]s are showing themselves in this thread. If only we could make a complete list of them so that considerate players know who not to afford their kindness to when a training spot is taken.

 

If someone is at a spot, it's theirs. That's it. Hop and find your own spot. Can't find one after trying multiple worlds? Maybe then you can consider taking another person's spot, but it's still douchey and there's surely something else you could be doing.

 

Far too many players act as though they're in a single-player game where everything exists solely for their benefit and they don't need to give any respect to other players at all. To play the game like that is one thing, but to actually argue in favour of such a playing style on forums is something else.

 

This isn't as much of an issue for me as it once was as I can now outhit or outskill most every spot stealer and crasher, but I will still never steal a spot myself and look down heavily upon those who choose to.

 

There does seem to be a strong correlation between lack of intelligence (or at least concern for cost and time efficiency) and spot stealing, as when someone does attempt to steal my spot it usually results in a far lower experience rate for them than they could be getting had they spent the 35 seconds it would take to hop.

[FooK-A-Ji]

Runescape's [bleep]s are showing themselves in this thread. If only we could make a complete list of them so that considerate players know who not to afford their kindness to when a training spot is taken.

 

If someone is at a spot, it's theirs. That's it. Hop and find your own spot. Can't find one after trying multiple worlds? Maybe then you can consider taking another person's spot, but it's still douchey and there's surely something else you could be doing.

 

Far too many players act as though they're in a single-player game where everything exists solely for their benefit and they don't need to give any respect to other players at all. To play the game like that is one thing, but to actually argue in favour of such a playing style on forums is something else.

 

This isn't as much of an issue for me as it once was as I can now outhit or outskill most every spot stealer and crasher, but I will still never steal a spot myself and look down heavily upon those who choose to.

 

There does seem to be a strong correlation between lack of intelligence (or at least concern for cost and time efficiency) and spot stealing, as when someone does attempt to steal my spot it usually results in a far lower experience rate for them than they could be getting had they spent the 35 seconds it would take to hop.

Cool story bro.

This is a discussion forum, where everyone is encouraged to voice their own opinion.

If you don't like that, don't come back.

So far you have not seen me or others calling folks like you whining brats, just because we don't agree on the same thing.

Tell us what you think about spot stealing, not what you think about the spot stealers.

 

RS can also easily be played as a singleplayer game.

[Logdotzip]

Runescape's [bleep]s are showing themselves in this thread. If only we could make a complete list of them so that considerate players know who not to afford their kindness to when a training spot is taken. Similarly, RuneScape's whiners are showing themselves in this thread as well.

 

If someone is at a spot, it's theirs. That's it. Hop and find your own spot. Can't find one after trying multiple worlds? Maybe then you can consider taking another person's spot, but it's still douchey and there's surely something else you could be doing. So I am at a spot last week, and I come back two days later to find that someone else is there. HEY, THAT'S MY SPOT. You're also saying "well, you can do it if you absolutely neeeeeeed to. But you still suck."

 

Far too many players act as though they're in a single-player game where everything exists solely for their benefit and they don't need to give any respect to other players at all. To play the game like that is one thing, but to actually argue in favour of such a playing style on forums is something else. Far too many players act as though they're in a single-player game where everything exists solely for their benefit and they don't have to compete with other players at all. To play the game like that is one thing, but to actually argue in favor of such a playing style on the forums is something else.

 

This isn't as much of an issue for me as it once was as I can now outhit or outskill most every spot stealer and crasher, but I will still never steal a spot myself and look down heavily upon those who choose to. "Maybe then you can consider taking another person's spot" HMMMMMMMMM

There does seem to be a strong correlation between lack of intelligence (or at least concern for cost and time efficiency) and spot stealing, as when someone does attempt to steal my spot it usually results in a far lower experience rate for them than they could be getting had they spent the 35 seconds it would take to hop. The only lack of intelligence being displayed here is by you, by insinuating that people who like to get their s**** done are somehow bad because of it. Similarly, if someone is better than you, YOU hop. And things like mining are not always done for exp rates, but for the resources.

 

 

My arguments above in bold. Your argument has more holes than a slice of Swiss Cheese.

 

Welcome to the forums btw.