They aren't PKers, they're just cowards who want an easy kill. So many noobs want the old wild back so they can prey on people 20 levels lower than them in no armor trying to mine some rune, or do a clue, or use the abyss. Then they can feel big and bad and shout "Gf nerd lolol" as their helpless target hits the ground and they get some worthless loot.

 

It's pathetic and not needed. PKers should be grouped together in their own little pens where everyone is clearly there to fight- allowing 13 year olds to feel good by losing someone a clue scroll is not a good reason to bring back wild on every world.

 

I'm in favor of free trade, but the old wild was just a cesspool where insecure little kids went to feel good about themselves, and it sucked.

 

Yeah this can be true for a lot of PKers but i don't think it's fair to disregard the large legitimate pkers (and stakers but that's a whole other story) back in the day. clans actually meant something

Legitimate PKers would be fine with having specific wilderness worlds because legitimate PKers kill other PKers.

Legitimate PKers would be fine with having specific wilderness worlds because legitimate PKers kill other PKers.

 

not always, sometimes good pker's just feel trollish and kill people for fun lol

 

anyway i like the idea of totally dangerous wildy. there's nothing in rs that is threatening anymore and i like that there might be a place where i can actually die and lose things. makes the wildy feel more adventurous.

 

i think jagex will relocate most of the skiller-related things outside the wild well enough.

See, this is the problem I have with "PKers" right here.

 

They aren't PKers, they're just cowards who want an easy kill. So many noobs want the old wild back so they can prey on people 20 levels lower than them in no armor trying to mine some rune, or do a clue, or use the abyss. Then they can feel big and bad and shout "Gf nerd lolol" as their helpless target hits the ground and they get some worthless loot.

 

It's pathetic and not needed. PKers should be grouped together in their own little pens where everyone is clearly there to fight- allowing 13 year olds to feel good by losing someone a clue scroll is not a good reason to bring back wild on every world.

 

I'm in favor of free trade, but the old wild was just a cesspool where insecure little kids went to feel good about themselves, and it sucked.

 

You need to get over your hate and bias. Yes, if you go into a dangerous place and are not prepared, then you will die. If you make it look like you have placed your items on a silver platter for anyone to take, then chances are pretty good that someone will bite. You seem like the kind of person who doesn't believe in the food chain in real life, that everything should get along with peace and flowers, and all those mean animals like bears and tigers and sharks should all be placed on one continent to eat each other so the rabbits and gazelles can have their tea party in the lion's den.

 

There will be banter. There will be competition. And if you make yourself look like dinner, you will get eaten. Standing around rune rocks with a pickaxe in your hand makes you look like steak and potatoes. Running around with nothing on trying to do a clue will make you look like horseradish. Sure, some people like horseradish but most will skip over you. You need to understand that the rune rocks and the Abyss were put in the wilderness by Jagex on purpose, knowing full well what would happen. Now, I'm sorry if you had a bad experience and lost your bank to that kid you were talking about who said 'gf nerd lo1l1ol', but you need to get over it. Not every PKer is like that. You should try joining a decent Pking clan when the wilderness comes out, or even now, and perhaps that would give you some accurate perspective as to how there are some pretty awesome people in the community.

 

Legitimate PKers would be fine with having specific wilderness worlds because legitimate PKers kill other PKers.

 

There's a big difference in who you kill and it actually used to be a big argument back in the day, Honor vs No-Honor. Honor, being the policy of leaving skillers alone for the most part and even helping them, whereas No-honor would be the reverse of that, among other things. However, both are legitimate acts of 'PKing' because 'player killing' is exactly that. No one likes it when someone overpowers them, but you need to be prepared for the possibility and know what to do.

not always, sometimes good pker's just feel trollish and kill people for fun lol

 

No, see, if they like just killing someone for no drop just to lose them their clue scroll, they aren't a good PKer. Period.

 

Not that I'll ever have a problem with this- look at my stats. My clue will be yak banked before anyone lays a finger on me, and I'll have a good chance of taking down my would-be assailant. I just feel like it's a stupid aspect to have in a game. Putting players at the mercy of prepubescent kids on power trips is not my idea of good game design. Put them in their own areas specifically for killing each other and let the rest of us stay away from them.

 

Edit: at the above... seriously? Look at my stats. Do you really think I'm afraid of some 99 str pure with a dds? Come on now.

I'm telling you that you need to get over your discriminatory bias against PKers as "prepubescent kids on power trips". You're generalizing a very large community by the bottom of the barrel. Your stats are irrelevant.

I'm telling you that you need to get over your discriminatory bias against PKers as "prepubescent kids on power trips". You're generalizing a very large community by the bottom of the barrel. Your stats are irrelevant.

I'm generalizing the subset that's against having wilderness specific worlds. The kind who get some sick kick out of killing people who aren't risking just to piss them off and feel powerful.

 

If you are against wilderness specific worlds, you ARE immature. There's no denying that.

Aren't you just adorable. I bet you'll have a lot of fun pking a glory every 5 hours at the abyss.

They aren't PKers, they're just cowards who want an easy kill. So many noobs want the old wild back so they can prey on people 20 levels lower than them in no armor trying to mine some rune, or do a clue, or use the abyss. Then they can feel big and bad and shout "Gf nerd lolol" as their helpless target hits the ground and they get some worthless loot.

 

You need to get over your hate and bias.

 

I'm sure that there are some pkers that are respectable individuals. However, the vast majority of those I encountered prior to the removal of the old open pk wilderness were immature individuals who pked simply to annoy other players. This is purely from my own experience however, and does obviously not mean that all pkers were like this. Although I can say with confidence that many were.

 

So yes, it'd a little selfish to want all the things to convenience yourself.

 

One could also say that it is a little selfish to force inconvenience on others and make them change their habits just so you can pk like the "good old days".

Haha I am not a pker. However there is no point in complaining about an update 90% of runescape wants and was part of the game for 6+ years prior to that.

 

Plenty of people left, plenty more then the amount of people complaining about the wilderness coming back. Plenty of people that I know personally said they would play again if the wilderness came back. So if one 2010 product leaves then good riddens! :thumbsup:

You're hilarious.

 

The 90% is in favor of free trade- wilderness on every world is more like an idiot rider attached to a good bill.

 

I've been playing since 2001, so...

Just because I'm perfectly capable of dealing with screaming brats DDSing me doesn't mean I enjoy it. I spent years without the GE too but I don't want that update gone.

 

Grouping PKers together was a good update- legitimate PKers have more targets and immature kids get what they deserve- someone better than them kicking their ass. No need to go back to a worse system.

I'm telling you that you need to get over your discriminatory bias against PKers as "prepubescent kids on power trips". You're generalizing a very large community by the bottom of the barrel. Your stats are irrelevant.

I'm generalizing the subset that's against having wilderness specific worlds. The kind who get some sick kick out of killing people who aren't risking just to piss them off and feel powerful.

 

If you are against wilderness specific worlds, you ARE immature. There's no denying that.

It's a game. l2play. At this point you just sound like a whiny little kid :thumbdown:

I don't think you even realize that what you're saying in regards to 'wilderness-specific worlds' has implications beyond the two people hopping worlds at the Abyss. I'm absolutely not going to go into it in extravagant detail because you're clearly just trying to be argumentative, but the basic fact of the matter is that small clans need many more worlds than they have available right now to operate, and that the teams hunting "you, the rune-mining, abyss-running skiller", will need to watch out because they're going to be hunted by bigger fish. The moral of the story is that smaller clans need to have a multitude of worlds to hop to so that medium and large clans can't find them. If these clans can be tracked easily, they stand no chance. Grouping everyone into five worlds as it is right now is absolutely stifling new clan growth to the point where new clans are needing to establish themselves in CWA - and then they have problems transitioning to the more difficult wilderness system. You may not personally feel that smaller clans are important, given your prejudices, but the clan world needs their return, and I'm sure once Jagex realizes this, that they will find them valuable too. More revenue... oh yes! Do they need every world? No, but they will need most of them. As it has been said, with Jagex it's typically all-or-nothing so good luck.

 

As far as the wilderness being an addon to the 'free trade' bill.. lol. Kind of backwards there, in my opinion. The wilderness is an established arena which we know works well because it has years of successful history behind it. The wilderness was removed because free trade was removed - you couldn't possibly remove free trade and keep the wilderness as it was. The limited trade we have now works, not fully, (there is junk trading, manipulation clan chats, and too-rigid prices) but it's acceptable and people have gotten used to that. But bringing the wilderness back and not bringing free trade back along with it doesn't make any sense because it'd be simple to just kill each other for whatever you wanted to trade. In short: the wilderness was removed because free trade was removed, but free trade is coming back because the wilderness is coming back.

 

 

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If the rewards of the dangerous wilderness (rune ore given the level, or clue scrolls, or KBD) arent worth going there for then that IS a broken game element Jagex should fix.

 

I absolutely agree. Skillers and non-pkers absolutely need to be given adequate reason to brave the danger of the Wilderness. The main lures of the Wilderness for people who weren't looking to actively kill others were green dragon hunting, prayer training at the boneyard, collecting whiteberry spawns at red dragons, killing the red dragons, killing the Chaos Elemental, the hobgoblin mine, the Agility arena, the fishing spots on the east coast, the Mage Bank spells/capes, the admant/mithril mine west of mage bank, the rune rocks, training on the ice giants/warriiors in the icy northwest, the lava maze chest, cooking pizzas and looting the runes in the dark warrior's fortress. And that's just off the top of my head, but you get the idea. If it is found that there isn't suitable reward for the risk, then absolutely I would support additional reward to get people to brave the danger. What was rewarding for skillers years ago may not be as rewarding today given all the new items that are available. But then again, to up the reward will up the risk, as players looking for their easy kills will be there. The nonpkers will have to either defend themselves or find a way to escape, fight or flight.

 

 

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As I see it the only reason they'd be able to say no, given the poll, is based on how many accounts voted. At the moment, it's 400429 people. While quite a few, it's not near the 1.2m they got earlier. Then again, this poll was released on Christmas Eve and we're just barely out of Christmas Day right now. I think a lot of people are not available to vote because of the holiday. With that said, I would imagine the results of that portion of the community to fall in line with the 400k sample we currently have. I believe if this poll was held at a different time, there would be more votes registered after the same duration. I think it would be overskeptical to think that the difference in poll responses is a significant reason to reject the results of the poll, even given the guarantee of multiple-voting in the petition.

If you are against wilderness specific worlds, you ARE immature. There's no denying that.

 

Nice generalisation, bro.

[hide]I don't think you even realize that what you're saying in regards to 'wilderness-specific worlds' has implications beyond the two people hopping worlds at the Abyss. I'm absolutely not going to go into it in extravagant detail because you're clearly just trying to be argumentative, but the basic fact of the matter is that small clans need many more worlds than they have available right now to operate, and that the teams hunting "you, the rune-mining, abyss-running skiller", will need to watch out because they're going to be hunted by bigger fish. The moral of the story is that smaller clans need to have a multitude of worlds to hop to so that medium and large clans can't find them. If these clans can be tracked easily, they stand no chance. Grouping everyone into five worlds as it is right now is absolutely stifling new clan growth to the point where new clans are needing to establish themselves in CWA - and then they have problems transitioning to the more difficult wilderness system. You may not personally feel that smaller clans are important, given your prejudices, but the clan world needs their return, and I'm sure once Jagex realizes this, that they will find them valuable too. More revenue... oh yes! Do they need every world? No, but they will need most of them. As it has been said, with Jagex it's typically all-or-nothing so good luck.[/hide]

 

That's a really good point, and something I hadn't even considered. I guess I have a reason to support the old wilderness now rather than proposing full loot simply being introduced to the current PvP system.

 

I haven't been in the clan scene for years, but yeah, I can imagine it being extremely difficult for small clans with only a handful of worlds.

Haha I am not a pker. However there is no point in complaining about an update 90% of runescape wants and was part of the game for 6+ years prior to that.

 

Plenty of people left, plenty more then the amount of people complaining about the wilderness coming back. Plenty of people that I know personally said they would play again if the wilderness came back. So if one 2010 product leaves then good riddens! :thumbsup:

You're hilarious.

 

The 90% is in favor of free trade- wilderness on every world is more like an idiot rider attached to a good bill.

 

I've been playing since 2001, so...

 

Well I did like it. Nothing better than hopping all over the worlds at magebank in search of some pkers.

Besides, I will enjoy runecrafting again then. I never trained RC anymore after they removed the wilderness, Rcing without the pkers just wasn't as fun anymore (anyone remember Dommark44 or Cali Ice lol). Free trade is a definate yes! World 2 fally park will be alive and kicking again, heck even edgeville bank will revive! I would really love to see that coming back.

As for clues/runemining, I don't think you'll get pked that much, considering all pkers will be spread all over again, it's hard to run in against anyone at all in the wild, as far as I remember though.

Let's hope they keep the Grand Exchange but remove the amount of items you can buy max, then we get to keep the only good thing that this update brought.

Just because I'm perfectly capable of dealing with screaming brats DDSing me doesn't mean I enjoy it. I spent years without the GE too but I don't want that update gone.

 

Grouping PKers together was a good update- legitimate PKers have more targets and immature kids get what they deserve- someone better than them kicking their ass. No need to go back to a worse system.

You are just another skiller looking at everything from your own point of view. It's clear to see why only bs would come out of your mouth when talking about pkers and pking- afterall, you've clearly never pk-ed.

 

Firstly, it's clearly stated that the wilderness is a dangerous place, if you don't like that, then gtfo and train hunter. If you do decide to go there, you have to accept the rules that come with it, and you are not the king making those rules.

 

Secondly, you can't really judge a pker on how many newbs they kill- They are at his mercy, not the other way around, and being able to do it means he might as well do so as there usually isn't anything to lose, but can be alot to gain(there have been quite a few partyhat pks that way, for example). There is no code of honor killing innocent bystanders. If you go into the wldy, you are there to kill or be killed.

 

Thirdly, as you clearly aren't a pker, i will tell you that restricting pking to a few servers would highly limit pking- soloers need there to be alot of servers and teams would prefer if there was atleast 20 servers to choose from. Real pking can't happen if there are 30 people at every meaningful spot, thus having enough room is crucial.

 

Again, if you can't talk about pking impartially(having experienced it in both ways) there is no reason to post one-sided squabbles. The fact of the matter is- neither bh or pvp worlds have worked, and the wilderness worked. I you don't like it, tough luck, but you'll live. Pkers didn't like neither bh nor pvp, but they lived...

I'm telling you that you need to get over your discriminatory bias against PKers as "prepubescent kids on power trips". You're generalizing a very large community by the bottom of the barrel. Your stats are irrelevant.

I'm generalizing the subset that's against having wilderness specific worlds. The kind who get some sick kick out of killing people who aren't risking just to piss them off and feel powerful.

 

If you are against wilderness specific worlds, you ARE immature. There's no denying that.

It's a game. l2play. At this point you just sound like a whiny little kid :thumbdown:

 

By this point you have all come down to namecalling, Totally missing the discussion of having specific worlds for PK'ing versus having PK'ing across all worlds.

 

I agree that having specific PK worlds are the best option since you don't have to move anything out of the wilderness, and the revenants can still be in place. Those who wish to PK have an easier time to find likeminded people.

 

If there was PKing across all worlds, you have to relocate content out of the wilderness, and the result of it is having a dangerous wilderness once again. There is really no pros in having PKing on more than a few worlds. If your intention isn't to PK other PKers then you're just being a hassle to other people. That would be like fencers going around duelling people in a supermall instead of at the fencing club. The only reason for wanting it could be wanting to have clan wars. However, we already have an arguably better alternative called, ironically, Clan Wars.

Just because I'm perfectly capable of dealing with screaming brats DDSing me doesn't mean I enjoy it. I spent years without the GE too but I don't want that update gone.

 

Grouping PKers together was a good update- legitimate PKers have more targets and immature kids get what they deserve- someone better than them kicking their ass. No need to go back to a worse system.

You are just another skiller looking at everything from your own point of view. It's clear to see why only bs would come out of your mouth when talking about pkers and pking- afterall, you've clearly never pk-ed.

 

 

His points are totally valid.

 

The segment of the player base that enjoys this thuggish behavior should be kept separated from the players who don't. What you and so many other PK advocates want is for everyone to play your way.

 

Victimizers & bullies cannot exist without people to victimize and bully. That's why they chafed when separated from the rest of the pack - they had no one to pick on except their own miserable kind. The move to bring the old wildy back on all worlds is just a search for fresh victims and cheap adolescent thrills.

 

It's nothing short of hazing, and Jagex should be ashamed to be going down this road.

I'm telling you that you need to get over your discriminatory bias against PKers as "prepubescent kids on power trips". You're generalizing a very large community by the bottom of the barrel. Your stats are irrelevant.

If you are against wilderness specific worlds, you ARE immature. There's no denying that.

 

 

What is a legitimate pker? Since when should you define what is right an wrong in a fantasy game? Some people may want to take an "evil" approach to their playing style, others take a more honorable approach. Surely you knew about it being an older player? Clans like Noobs Inc would come and crash, they would fight in crap gear and literally played to piss others off. Were they immature? Maybe by your standards, but I think it added the element of evil and danger in the world of rs, especially in the clan world. So what did clans do? They formed alliances and would call on their allies to help "Anti-Crash"; and before you ask, yes... I was a victim to many of their crashes when I was in the clan world.

 

Let's face it, "evil" adds a lot to the fantasy. Strolling along the supposed "dangerous" wilderness these days is a freaking joke, long ago I would have to bank all my stuff and even then still sweat that some guy would kill me for my clue even with only my D'hide and dragon dagger. These days... My god I bring half my bank with me, thousands of runes, my best armor and gear, 100ks of bird scrolls... All these things, why? because I'm too lazy to bank all that stuff knowing I'm not going to face any danger.

 

I apologized if you have to keep repeating yourself, I have not followed many of your posts.

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I lol at every single one of you compating this to a 'abuser/abused' or 'bully/bullied' situation. This is a game.

 

Banning pkers from every single world is like banning a certain gun from Counter Strike because you are always getting killed by it.

 

Again, stop being selfish. Pking is a part of the game, and it was a part of the game before JaGEx was FORCED to remove and cripple it. Without pkers, the wilderness makes no sense...

 

 

Now, I'm sorry you are an elitist/coward, afraid to lose your glory ammy when runecrafting in the abyss or feeling the need to insult people because they don't play the way you want them to play, but...

The majority has voted. And no, the majority aren't pkers. If you'd care to notice, there are only a couple worlds for pkers, and skillers dominate every other world.

 

 

Again, you cannot wish for free trade without pking. You can't have one without the other, they are both the basics spirits of freedom from the old runescape. To restrict one of them because it is inconvenient to you is highly selfish.

Just because I'm perfectly capable of dealing with screaming brats DDSing me doesn't mean I enjoy it. I spent years without the GE too but I don't want that update gone.

 

Grouping PKers together was a good update- legitimate PKers have more targets and immature kids get what they deserve- someone better than them kicking their ass. No need to go back to a worse system.

You are just another skiller looking at everything from your own point of view. It's clear to see why only bs would come out of your mouth when talking about pkers and pking- afterall, you've clearly never pk-ed.

 

 

His points are totally valid.

 

The segment of the player base that enjoys this thuggish behavior should be kept separated from the players who don't. What you and so many other PK advocates want is for everyone to play your way.

 

Victimizers & bullies cannot exist without people to victimize and bully. That's why they chafed when separated from the rest of the pack - they had no one to pick on except their own miserable kind. The move to bring the old wildy back on all worlds is just a search for fresh victims and cheap adolescent thrills.

 

It's nothing short of hazing, and Jagex should be ashamed to be going down this road.

i have no clue what you mean by hazing, so ill ignore the last sentence.

 

anyways, the pkers/e-thugs of runescape heavily outweigh the people who play runescape to 'skill'. jagex will always favour the masses, and removing the 1 for 1 loot system lost them a tonne of cash & potential cash. the numbers of skillers who'll quit will me minimal compared to the numbers of pkers who quit in 07.

 

to prove my point, if you remember the glitch where you died on f2p with a p2p familiar and gained craptonnes of ep, there were several large clans with 100+members who all abused this, but they all received a 'harsh warning' with no/little bannings. on the other hand, the ardy boat spot hat relatively few abusers, the majority of which received roughly several days banned.

Again, stop being selfish. Pking is a part of the game, and it was a part of the game before JaGEx was FORCED to remove and cripple it. Without pkers, the wilderness makes no sense...

I smell a hypocrisy. I see the way we are selfish - we want YOU to play like WE want you to play. But .. if YOU want US to play like YOU want us to play ... that's not selfish at all ... ?!

And no I do not imply that the wilderness should be safe. I imply that both sides are being selfish.

/whydiscusswheneverybodyissoconfidentofhisownpoints

Finally, smite and protect item prayers will have a use again :thumbup:

I didn't get 52 prayer for nothing, Jagex :) Hopefully this update could mean the epic return of the Proselyte pure. They used to be completely beastly in the old wilderness.

 

 

In 2007 you practically couldn't ko anyone from max hp. And yes, people were still killed while doing clues. And it was a pain in the ass.

Uhm gwd equipment was out before wilderness was removed!

 

The dark bow too (and it was actually quite a bit stronger by allowing for more specs).

 

GWD had only been out for around 3-4 months before the removal. The equipment was still highly priced and decently rare.

Also, since when was a DDS not an extremely effective weapon? Yes, it would be hard to completely KO someone but it was still easily possible (even more so against the people who are complaining about the update, skillers and clue scrollers). Also, the granite maul? You know, the maul that you can instantly hit 3 times with and with half decent stats KO brewed max health. I'm yet to use Korasi's sword, but from my experience rushing with dragon claws and AGS i know that a granite maul can be far more effective due to the fact that once you have attacked them, they don't have a chance to heal or pray, they are dead or they aren't.

 

I'm curious to see what they do about Overloads and Extremes, it's fairly simple just to remove it from a world or instanced activity... But considering it will be every world?

They will most likely do something like they do with teleporting. As you can't teleport after 20 wilderness, surely there is a way for them to have a similar system for when attempting to use overloads/extremes. Also, they could probably have something like they do with familiars at the GE when trying to enter the wild with overloads (pushes you back). Perhaps they could have an option to reduce stats to the level of super sets.

 

 

Ginger_Warrior, what's wrong with putting the wilderness in all worlds? Why are you so selfish that you want all the worlds to be off limits for pkers?

 

It's not selfish, there should be worlds that don't allow pking in them. It should be allowed on the themed worlds as the current pvp is already. That way people that want to go into the wildy can do so without worrying about being jumped at random, and those that want to kill people can do so on themed worlds.

That is selfish, lol. There shouldn't be worlds that don't allow PKing in them. It shouldn't be allowed on only themed worlds. That way the wilderness is how it should be, and how Jagex originally made it to be. The single reason that you have this misconception of what the wilderness is, is because Jagex failed at making revenants realistic as PKers. If they were realistic, no one would give a [bleep] about this update with your argument because it would be no different to the wilderness in it's current state.

 

What do you think revenants are there for? To make it look pretty?

His points are totally valid.

 

The segment of the player base that enjoys this thuggish behavior should be kept separated from the players who don't. What you and so many other PK advocates want is for everyone to play your way.

 

Victimizers & bullies cannot exist without people to victimize and bully. That's why they chafed when separated from the rest of the pack - they had no one to pick on except their own miserable kind. The move to bring the old wildy back on all worlds is just a search for fresh victims and cheap adolescent thrills.

 

It's nothing short of hazing, and Jagex should be ashamed to be going down this road.

The game was designed this way. Killing other players has nothing to do with bulling, atleast not more than a skiller holding a skilling spot all to himself. If you feel offended by other players doing what they enjoy you should really consider playing another game(atleast as far as pking is considered). No pker makes you play the game his way, it's just that you have to be considerate of other players while you play- it's not a single player game. If you don't like an update- too bad, most of the updates deliver nothing for the pking community. Does it mean pkers should be all against updates for skillers? Ofcource not. The communities need to coexist in a friendly manner, and if one should delve into the othes territory they should be respectful of the rules that dominate there- you can't go into a boxing ring and start landing leg kicks, just as you can't go into the wilderness and expect to be left alone just because. If you don't want to be knocked out by a left hook, don't enter the ring. I don't remember there being any complaints about the wilderness being bad by skillers before the change, so it's the sissy-scape manner we have had for 3 years that has made everyone soft and cuddly. Not everyone enjoys that.

 

What do you think revenants are there for? To make it look pretty?

That's a really valid point. Just because jagex failed to make revenants dangerous enough doesn't mean that this game shouldn't have free pvp on every server. I'd love it if revenants were even more dangerous than pkers.