Wilderness and free trade vote! - Now Closed

[magekillr]

I quit and gave away all of my stuff the day they announced the duel arena and staking were gone. I have like 1 million worth of stuff now, but I had 2 billion in gold/items at the time. So yeah, I haven't played since 2007. I haven't decided if I will play again if staking is brought back, but I am intrigued...shouldn't be hard to get back to over 1 billion if it's brought back.

 

Definitely voted yes, just in case. Of course when Diablo III comes out I'll probably just be playing that, but who knows with Blizzard and their delays.

[TheConiff]

Maybe it's best for them to be taught a lesson. When i first started i got scammed my full mith, and it never happened again because i was a lot more careful.

 

I think this is a great part of the learning curve of Runescape and agree wholeheartedly with Magbill. Before the update players would be forced to pay attention in trade screens, in massive trading areas for deals, and would have to (oh heavens no!) work/search for certain items that simply couldn't be bought easily. When Jagex decided to remove free trade, remove the wild, and add an institution that could meet everyone's needs, common sense dissolved and the slothful gamer needn't look further than the grand exchange for the coveted spinach roll.

 

Imagine power fishing in Shiloh village; one would need a large amount of feathers. Before the update players could either collect them from chickens or search for a seller on the forums. This forced two different scenarios: Fighting and leveling up combat skills in order to level up fishing, or interacting with other human players. I believe the game mechanics were designed for the first scenario while the game function encompasses the second. Each skill is designed to work with each other skill. If one desires to train herblore, he or she should fight monsters that drop herbs. Often times those monsters will be slayer tasks. Experience in three or more skills is possible when gone about in such a way. If a player desires an item they can't get from any other means in the game besides another player, there's the option of a FREE trade. This function enforces human interaction, and who knows, those two players who met through a trade could end up best friends.

 

When Jagex updated the game back in 2007, skillers were able to quickly mass large quantities of a particular item (such as raw fish) in order to train a particular skill as fast as possible. Currently, if I want ten-million ring's of recoil I simply visit the Ge and put in my order. Back before 2007 I had to slave over those myself (which would have been extremely stupid). Following the topic of human interaction, I can currently almost play this game entirely without direct human interaction. I don't have to haggle with someone for all those feathers; I don't have to haggle with a whole group of people on the forums to get that coveted rune dagger. I don't have to do anything. I can sit in my computer chair a mindless zombie and not talk to a single person. Gee isn't that fun? No.

 

So perhaps Jagex has finally seen the error of their ways by removing the Wild (don't even get me started on this) and Free trade. All we've been playing these past three years is what I like to call an OMMO-RPG, An Optional Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game. I can understand some arguments about people afraid to lose pixelated gold or pixelated weapons, because I hate to lose those things too. But let's not lose sight of what we used to hold dear in Runescape.

[SirIzenhime]

I wish there was a "Vote for wildy back, but not free trade" option, and vise versa.

 

I want the old style pking back, but I don't want free trade back.

[Zygimantas]

I wish there was a "Vote for wildy back, but not free trade" option, and vise versa.

 

I want the old style pking back, but I don't want free trade back.

Why not?

[SirIzenhime]

because, I liked the old wilderness, it was fun.

I like the current system with trade limits, as it reduces scamming as well as prominent RWT bots.

 

I know the old drop style wildy will essentially be free trade, it's more of a nostalgia thing as to why I like it.

[sa121]

Edit: nevermind, didn't completely read the post.

[SirIzenhime]

I know the old drop style wildy will essentially be free trade, it's more of a nostalgia thing as to why I like it.

 

I bet it was this part you didn't read the first time ;)

[SacredFlam3s]

gg runescape you tried.

 

people like be that don't rwt will be left behind in the dust as people buy herb and prayer etc

 

gg runescape RIP 2010

[kingoftank]

I left the game 3 years ago thinking this: Why are they doing this? The game is as good as it's ever going get.

 

-Over the past 3 years Jagex has turned Runescape into a game where you don't have to think.

A socialist economy where there is really no way to lose money, unless your trying very hard, and no way to gain money unless your in a GE clan.

 

-I thought it was made to be an adventure game, but with all the set limits and warnings how is it an adventure at all?

 

-One thing I hope to see in the future is an update to the pathetic thing they call a tutorial.

What happened to the old tutorial where you trained almost all the basic skills, and left it with at least a weapon and some other useful items to your name.

 

-I'm excited to start playing again, and hope Jagex just keeps taking one good move after another.

[kingoftank]

gg runescape you tried.

 

people like be that don't rwt will be left behind in the dust as people buy herb and prayer etc

 

gg runescape RIP 2010

 

 

Not only does this post not make any sense, but it's totally wrong no body was saying this in 2007 when the game had these elements?

[Kata_Phfract__the_slayer]

gg runescape you tried.

 

people like be that don't rwt will be left behind in the dust as people buy herb and prayer etc

 

gg runescape RIP 2010

 

 

Not only does this post not make any sense, but it's totally wrong no body was saying this in 2007 when the game had these elements?

 

to sum up the idea rs will die becouse of this:

"no".

 

anyway

 

WTF?!

ok its only 300k votes so far, but still... 90%?

[Zygimantas]

gg runescape you tried.

 

people like be that don't rwt will be left behind in the dust as people buy herb and prayer etc

 

gg runescape RIP 2010

 

 

Not only does this post not make any sense, but it's totally wrong no body was saying this in 2007 when the game had these elements?

 

to sum up the idea rs will die becouse of this:

"no".

 

anyway

 

WTF?!

ok its only 300k votes so far, but still... 90%?

woo000t? :mellow:

[Dormado]

Why is everyone so cheerful that "yes" is winning? It was confirmed the update will come even if they need to travel back in time and never start the poll in the first time, its all for publicity anyways (not saying majority dont want it back).

 

Although I am a bit upset that theres no option to choose ONLY the free trade or ONLY the old wilderness, but anyways, I am satisfied that they added the "no" option, and voted "no" myself, don't care for anything much else.

[Will H]

To be fair, scamming is going to be more difficult and rare than back before Dec '07. Firstly, trade screens now have prices of items laid out on them, so there's not much chance of new players being convinced that an item is worth significantly more or less than what it's really worth. There's the alerts when things are changed on the trade screen, and nearly everyone is going to use the (now free) GE anyway, where you can't be scammed at all. Yes, scamming will sometimes happen, but the conditions are 100x better than they were 3 years ago.

 

Also, why can't people get it into their heads that the free trade and the old wilderness are two sides of the same coin? I'll say it again; a PK is a special unbalanced trade, where the loser trades all of his held items apart from the X highest high alchemy value items to the victor, and receives nothing in return. It's the same thing.

[All_Is_Great]

I don't get why people are afraid of scamming. I'm sure most of us have all been scammed at the beginning of our runescape careers, be it armour trimming, swapping iron for rune, spinach rolls, or the "buying all rune item 111k!!!".

 

I'm positive that almost all of us have stories similar to this one:

 

"I mined coal for a couple weeks and managed to gather 20k. I saw a guy selling a rune long for 20k! I thought they were 30k so this was a pretty good deal. I traded with him excitedly, putting up my 20k and quickly pressed accept. The second window appeared and I pressed accept again, but only a split second before the window closed, I saw the words IRON LONGSWORD. DUN DUN DUN.... an iron longsword now sat in my inventory instead of 20k."

 

Guess what happened since? I mined more coal, bought a rune scimitar and trained myself until I could finally use it. And now I've come this far, that loss of 20k was a very important experience.

 

As well as being scammed, I've also been lured (chasing a guy with a rune (g) kite from castle up to bandits, then BOOM 20 mages pile me and I'm dead) which I lost full rune, which was quite a bit of my bank at the time, and I've also been hacked. You know those sites the advertisers gave in w1 varrock? Well, I learned they're fake!

 

If someone cant' take a lure or a hack, then just chill out for a bit and come back.

[xpx]

I read on these forums time and time again how much everyone hates all those "10/11/12/13/14 year olds" who "ruin the community".

People seem to be looking through, oh what's that cliche adage, extremely THICK rose-tinted glasses.

Right, if I were to in any way endorse that the "general population" consists of undesirables, at least right NOW they're not the genuinely mean kind, but rather the innocent and the ignorant and the slightly annoying.

Well no, that's not true either. We already had an inflow of the generic genuine assholistic when BH was introduced, and then again when PvP worlds came.

Enough beating around the George. Pre-trade updates, PKers and merchanters were [wagon]. [wagon] are going to come back in massive numbers and if you think the community is bad now you just wait and see.

 

At the moment PvP worlds are fine in that PKers are kept in their own little pens. Also, I'm QUITE SURE that statues and PvP gear make for more valuable drops than the old system did (rune sets and dragon scimmies!), and especially now that people use untradable weapons versus whips and godswords.

The only thing that bringing back PKing to the Wilderness on all worlds will accomplish is hurting people who want nothing to do with it, and lowering any actual gains for PKers besides.

[spoiler=I don't really like PK'ing or merchanting, despite having the means to do both.]Face it. Really, turn around, uncross your arms, tilt your gaze up, and look at it:

 

 

 

PKers are more likely to have multiple accounts than people who are content with their single mains. The only reason that's not obvious to many people in this thread is that said people are blind to opposition.

It is unfair but there's little sense trying to talk sense on this subject, and even if I got anyone to agree, it's already been done.

 

Not to bring religion into this (too strongly at any rate), but it looks like a lot of people here who are outspokenly atheist are pointing to the "overwhelming majority" and declaring that because the majority wants this change, it will be good or that it should happen. It just so happens that a majority of the people in the WORLD belong to some sort of religion, so this point is a bit contradictory. To be honest I think you guys (the ones this section is referring to) will blow any which way at any given time to get or support what you want. Real lack of backbone. This really goes for trusting JaGEx or the KB or anything official too. When what JaGEx says is good for you, they're a shining pillar of truth. When what they say goes against what you want, they become some sort of backstabbing corporate monstrosity.

I really don't see why some are so excited. Divine is basically buyable in the GE. What other reason did you have need to go through junk trading routes? - Since, as above, you clearly change your tone when it suits you.

 

Back in "the good old days", many of us on this forum still had a lot to do in the game - the game still consisted of many new experiences and fun to be had. Now that a lot of us are maxed combat, have completed all the quests, played all the minigames, explored all of the map, conquered the strongest bosses, the game doesn't seem so bright anymore. Bring back free trade and the Wilderness is not going to bring back those days - those were one-time golden experiences.

I like the idea of free trade AND the Grand Exchange, but bringing back the Wilderness in "all of its former glory" is going to poison an already, according to some, failing community, and won't make many hopefuls truly happy.

How lovely that you would post something only from a skillers point of view. It really gives your arguments alot of power over the others. If you can't be impartial in your post, don't expect people to rally around your posts.

 

All the points that you made are already cliches in themselves, having been snowballed throughout the thread- PK-ers and merchants are scum that deserve nothing- they benefit from others misery. Added to that, we will have a massive influx of players generally looking to rip others off. Woohoo, nothing new here. Why would a lifetime skiller praise pk-ers as they keep the demand for their products. Why would anyone praise merchants for keeping the market flowing. Why would anyone praise scammers for making you a generally more aware person. Nothing good those people do for the community. It's only fair that the player-killing those against it propose is of non-pker vs. pker, because, ofcource, they know of no other pking. THEY HAVEN'T DONE IT. They may aswell be speaking out of their bottoms, which i don't know for sure they aren't.

 

As for your religious example, it's really about common sense. Do i deny that more people in the world are religious than those that aren't? no. Do i deny that religion can be good? no. But, at the same time, the reasons behind people being religious are very controversial and it's undeniable that religion can be one of the worst things in the world(9/11, anyone?). Most of the people in the world who are classed as religious aren't so because they have weighed all the options and seen the arguments and proof of both sides, it's because they know not to be anything else. They don't find religion, they are born religious, thus their beliefs are not really theirs- corporate brainwashing. For myself, having been born in the least religious country in the world, i can, if i ever choose to, have a clear path to religion should i ever choose to, but seeing as i value logical reasoning above all else, it is highly doubtful. There is also a good correlation between people being highly educated and atheist, so alot of people being religious is not really a meaningful statistic.

 

As for you dismissing why people like the update- maybe you are just looking at it trough your eyes. Keep in mind, your opinion is not more meaningful than anyone elses. For me, i like the update as it will bring back things that i used to like most of all about the game- being part of PK-ing communities, having heated rivalries between clans, having the thrill of beating out someone else and rallying around ourselves when we happened to lose- a real community experience tipit can never provide. Free trade will allow me to buy items that i want without being restricted by stupid rules that are only there because of stupidity. Staking allows you to compete against the best for your hard earned cash, so that will be fun aswell. It's undeniable that there will be ALOT of people who really enjoy that sort of content and that there will be people who will come back just for this update- being impactful, which i haven't found any other recent update to be(even dungeoneering wasn't).

[UserOnRS]

gg runescape you tried.

 

people like be that don't rwt will be left behind in the dust as people buy herb and prayer etc

 

gg runescape RIP 2010

 

 

Not only does this post not make any sense, but it's totally wrong no body was saying this in 2007 when the game had these elements?

 

to sum up the idea rs will die becouse of this:

"no".

 

anyway

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6002/90wtfwtfwtf.png

 

WTF?!

ok its only 300k votes so far, but still... 90%?

http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/nowantp1.gif

 

Also I'd like to say thanks for the replies to my list of concerns on the previous page about old-style wilderness.

[Miner_Guy]

What will happen to the volcano in the wildy with greaters and hellhounds? that was the best spot for high lvl mage and range traing and the bank made it even more convenient? if the wildy comes back will they move it, make it safe in there or just leave it? I hope they do a proper solution, because that made training a whole lot funner and quicker

[GuidesForScapers]

I'm currently loving the fact that there were hundreds of people screaming about how the initial poll was unfair and that there wasn't a no option, and now that there is it is 90% for, 8% against and 2% indifferent.

 

That is in 315k votes, which is easily enough votes to be a representetive figure for the entire RS population (1/4 of everyone that voted in the previous poll). If anything, this proves further how it is a huge majority that are for the update.

 

To you guys and gals who are against it, if/when the update occurs you will pretty much be experiencing what a large majority of players felt when the wilderness was removed. Huh.

 

I'm definitely pleased to see that Jagex came to their senses and set up a fairer way for people to get their opinions across, and it looks like it is going to be a good result. Can't wait for the update, i know that i'm going to be getting members again straight away :)

[All_Is_Great]

I'm currently loving the fact that there were hundreds of people screaming about how the initial poll was unfair and that there wasn't a no option, and now that there is it is 90% for, 8% against and 2% indifferent.

 

That is in 315k votes, which is easily enough votes to be a representetive figure for the entire RS population (1/4 of everyone that voted in the previous poll). If anything, this proves further how it is a huge majority that are for the update.

 

To you guys and gals who are against it, if/when the update occurs you will pretty much be experiencing what a large majority of players felt when the wilderness was removed. Huh.

 

I'm definitely pleased to see that Jagex came to their senses and set up a fairer way for people to get their opinions across, and it looks like it is going to be a good result. Can't wait for the update, i know that i'm going to be getting members again straight away :)

 

Haha, except now they've got other excuses. Like, "Oh no! They voted on multiple accounts!" :boohoo:

 

It's not like skillers don't have multiple accounts. I thought everyone had more than one.

[lordkafei]

I'm currently loving the fact that there were hundreds of people screaming about how the initial poll was unfair and that there wasn't a no option, and now that there is it is 90% for, 8% against and 2% indifferent.

 

The initial poll was unfair; no bones about it. The current vote doesn't change the unfairness of the original poll one iota.

 

 

My membership elapsed on 12/23/2010 @ 23:59 and I won't be renewing it. Even if they take months to code the changes, I see no point in throwing any more money at the game.

 

Now, I could care less if they set up worlds for people to voluntarily go and participate. But they've been clear it will be "wildy on all servers" or "wildy on none", and I can't go along with that. What Jagex is proposing bringing back is hazing, and I have lost all respect for them.

 

On the bright side: I'll be buying a new HD radio / MP3 unit for my car in the near future with the money I saved on RS. Always look on the bright side of life.

[wcingisbad]

I personally voted "yes" on three different accounts, "indifferent" on another.

[NukeMarine]

I don't get why people are afraid of scamming. I'm sure most of us have all been scammed at the beginning of our runescape careers, be it armour trimming, swapping iron for rune, spinach rolls, or the "buying all rune item 111k!!!".

 

I'm positive that almost all of us have stories similar to this one:

 

"I mined coal for a couple weeks and managed to gather 20k. I saw a guy selling a rune long for 20k! I thought they were 30k so this was a pretty good deal. I traded with him excitedly, putting up my 20k and quickly pressed accept. The second window appeared and I pressed accept again, but only a split second before the window closed, I saw the words IRON LONGSWORD. DUN DUN DUN.... an iron longsword now sat in my inventory instead of 20k."

 

Guess what happened since? I mined more coal, bought a rune scimitar and trained myself until I could finally use it. And now I've come this far, that loss of 20k was a very important experience.

 

As well as being scammed, I've also been lured (chasing a guy with a rune (g) kite from castle up to bandits, then BOOM 20 mages pile me and I'm dead) which I lost full rune, which was quite a bit of my bank at the time, and I've also been hacked. You know those sites the advertisers gave in w1 varrock? Well, I learned they're fake!

 

If someone cant' take a lure or a hack, then just chill out for a bit and come back.

That you were the victim of a rule breaker and came to terms with it does not make that any less of a rule break. I've been bit a couple of times when the loss was minimal, but it still teed me off. I made darn sure to report those I didn't fall for (happened way too often as a unid merchant). These weren't positive learning experiences and are not experiences I'd encourage others to enjoy.

 

That said, I'm still for free trade and am happy with all the little warnings people people get. If you don't notice a big exclamation, or that you're paying millions for something worth 10 gp then my pity is limited. Not so much that I say the victim deserves it, but that jagex did all it reasonably could short of cutting off your ability to trade at all. The person breaking the rule still needs to be reported.

 

As for being hacked, something tells me that's more a "giving friend my log in info" or downloading a bot program. Of course, with free trade coming back, such tactics will make a come back. Definitely an issue to consider.

 

PS: You're using a different example of luring. Chasing bait in a PK situation is legitimate. The other situation with luring had to deal with tricking players into the wilderness, usually with trades. This eventually led to the "ditch". Of course theres the DK luring also. Problem was, people hear luring is illegal (wrt tricking people into the wilderness) and thought that meant other forms of luring were wrong (which they were not).

[All_Is_Great]

How is that hazing?

 

But yes, always look on the bright side of life.

 

I don't get why people are afraid of scamming. I'm sure most of us have all been scammed at the beginning of our runescape careers, be it armour trimming, swapping iron for rune, spinach rolls, or the "buying all rune item 111k!!!".

 

I'm positive that almost all of us have stories similar to this one:

 

"I mined coal for a couple weeks and managed to gather 20k. I saw a guy selling a rune long for 20k! I thought they were 30k so this was a pretty good deal. I traded with him excitedly, putting up my 20k and quickly pressed accept. The second window appeared and I pressed accept again, but only a split second before the window closed, I saw the words IRON LONGSWORD. DUN DUN DUN.... an iron longsword now sat in my inventory instead of 20k."

 

Guess what happened since? I mined more coal, bought a rune scimitar and trained myself until I could finally use it. And now I've come this far, that loss of 20k was a very important experience.

 

As well as being scammed, I've also been lured (chasing a guy with a rune (g) kite from castle up to bandits, then BOOM 20 mages pile me and I'm dead) which I lost full rune, which was quite a bit of my bank at the time, and I've also been hacked. You know those sites the advertisers gave in w1 varrock? Well, I learned they're fake!

 

If someone cant' take a lure or a hack, then just chill out for a bit and come back.

That you were the victim of a rule breaker and came to terms with it does not make that any less of a rule break. I've been bit a couple of times when the loss was minimal, but it still teed me off. I made darn sure to report those I didn't fall for (happened way too often as a unid merchant). These weren't positive learning experiences and are not experiences I'd encourage others to enjoy.

 

That said, I'm still for free trade and am happy with all the little warnings people people get. If you don't notice a big exclamation, or that you're paying millions for something worth 10 gp then my pity is limited. Not so much that I say the victim deserves it, but that jagex did all it reasonably could short of cutting off your ability to trade at all. The person breaking the rule still needs to be reported.

 

As for being hacked, something tells me that's more a "giving friend my log in info" or downloading a bot program. Of course, with free trade coming back, such tactics will make a come back. Definitely an issue to consider.

 

PS: You're using a different example of luring. Chasing bait in a PK situation is legitimate. The other situation with luring had to deal with tricking players into the wilderness, usually with trades. This eventually led to the "ditch". Of course theres the DK luring also. Problem was, people hear luring is illegal (wrt tricking people into the wilderness) and thought that meant other forms of luring were wrong (which they were not).

 

I never said they were good experiences. Losing all my hard two-weeks work in a split second is not enjoyable. But they are learning experiences, and i've never made that mistake again.

 

Acutally the getting hacked was going onto a site where they offered to put free items in my bank, it was pretty stupid, and I still can't believe I fell for it.

Later that account i had was banned because they used it to advertise their site <_<

 

Also, how is baiting not considered luring? If that isn't considered luring, then selling a spinach roll for 10m shouldn't be considered scamming either.

[GuidesForScapers]

I'm currently loving the fact that there were hundreds of people screaming about how the initial poll was unfair and that there wasn't a no option, and now that there is it is 90% for, 8% against and 2% indifferent.

 

The initial poll was unfair; no bones about it. The current vote doesn't change the unfairness of the original poll one iota.

 

 

My membership elapsed on 12/23/2010 @ 23:59 and I won't be renewing it. Even if they take months to code the changes, I see no point in throwing any more money at the game.

 

Now, I could care less if they set up worlds for people to voluntarily go and participate. But they've been clear it will be "wildy on all servers" or "wildy on none", and I can't go along with that. What Jagex is proposing bringing back is hazing, and I have lost all respect for them.

 

On the bright side: I'll be buying a new HD radio / MP3 unit for my car in the near future with the money I saved on RS. Always look on the bright side of life.

The initial poll is irrelevant. 90% for vs 8% against, whether that poll had existed or not a MASSIVE majority of people are still for the update, in comparison to less that one tenth that are against.

 

Have a good life then i guess :(