Wilderness and free trade vote! - Now Closed

[PrevDharockslayer]

Again, stop being selfish. Pking is a part of the game, and it was a part of the game before JaGEx was FORCED to remove and cripple it. Without pkers, the wilderness makes no sense...

I smell a hypocrisy. I see the way we are selfish - we want YOU to play like WE want you to play. But .. if YOU want US to play like YOU want us to play ... that's not selfish at all ... ?!

And no I do not imply that the wilderness should be safe. I imply that both sides are being selfish.

 

Nobody wants anybody to play like they want them to play. Why does everyone look at this all black and white?

Pkers want their regular 2007 wilderniss back. An area with little to no resources, and most quests will be relocated if the change comes through.

 

It always amazes me when discussions get fierce, its always a 'skiller vs pker' debate. These solve about as much as 'Europe vs America' or 'Coloured vs White', or hell, 'Times new roman vs Helvetica'.

People are still as rude as they have ever been. Wether it was 2004, 2006, 2008 or 2010. The only difference is that you had different communities you hung out with then.

 

Pkers simply want their playstyle back. They dont want the entire world to become the wilderniss, nor do they want you to stop everything you like to do and only pk. Runescape isn't some facist regime where only one playstyle is available. Getting the wilderniss and free trade back simply gives more playstyles. Nothing threatening, nothing earth shattering for anybody who doesn't want to use it.

[Teamed]

71 pages of discussing :D..

[All_Is_Great]

His points are totally valid.

 

The segment of the player base that enjoys this thuggish behavior should be kept separated from the players who don't. What you and so many other PK advocates want is for everyone to play your way.

 

Victimizers & bullies cannot exist without people to victimize and bully. That's why they chafed when separated from the rest of the pack - they had no one to pick on except their own miserable kind. The move to bring the old wildy back on all worlds is just a search for fresh victims and cheap adolescent thrills.

 

It's nothing short of hazing, and Jagex should be ashamed to be going down this road.

 

Why don't we have the wilderness on almost all the worlds, and give the skillers a couple worlds with no wildy, just everything from gnome stronghold to port phasmastys. So the people who like to skill can be with each other.

 

Point is, you don't HAVE to set foot in the wilderness. If you just stay south of the wall, nothing will hurt your avatar.

[Teamed]

His points are totally valid.

 

The segment of the player base that enjoys this thuggish behavior should be kept separated from the players who don't. What you and so many other PK advocates want is for everyone to play your way.

 

Victimizers & bullies cannot exist without people to victimize and bully. That's why they chafed when separated from the rest of the pack - they had no one to pick on except their own miserable kind. The move to bring the old wildy back on all worlds is just a search for fresh victims and cheap adolescent thrills.

 

It's nothing short of hazing, and Jagex should be ashamed to be going down this road.

 

Why don't we have the wilderness on almost all the worlds, and give the skillers a couple worlds with no wildy, just everything from gnome stronghold to port phasmastys. So the people who like to skill can be with each other.

 

Point is, you don't HAVE to set foot in the wilderness. If you just stay south of the wall, nothing will hurt your avatar.

 

:thumbup:

[#Free]

the longer this thread gets the dumber these posts are becoming....there is no way they are gonna have worlds set aside without wildy they will all have it[developmentally delayed]s

[GuidesForScapers]

His points are totally valid.

 

The segment of the player base that enjoys this thuggish behavior should be kept separated from the players who don't. What you and so many other PK advocates want is for everyone to play your way.

 

Victimizers & bullies cannot exist without people to victimize and bully. That's why they chafed when separated from the rest of the pack - they had no one to pick on except their own miserable kind. The move to bring the old wildy back on all worlds is just a search for fresh victims and cheap adolescent thrills.

 

It's nothing short of hazing, and Jagex should be ashamed to be going down this road.

Why do you feel like any online actions have social concequences, or harm anyone in any way? Is it because you are a really sensetive and nice guy, or is it because you don't understand the internet and are stupid?

 

That 'thuggish' behaviour is called enjoying yourself, you absolute moron. That 'thuggish' behaviour IS kept seperate from players who don't want to PK, that is why there is a boundary to the wilderness, you jackass. We don't want everyone to play our way, we want everyone to play the way the game is meant to be played, and stop crying because you are too bad at the game to not die to a level 72 with a DDS and ice blitz.

 

Victimisers and bullies? You mean people who realise that it is a game, not the real world? You are not actually killing people, you will not go to jail. Fresh victims or good loot, better gameplay and a more enjoyable experience for people who understand the distinction between real life and the internet?

 

You should be ashamed for making that post. It is actually disgusting to me that you are so unbelievably DENSE and ARROGANT that you can possibly accuse people of being bullies and thugs for playing a mother [bleep]ing game. By saying that it is the PKers that are causing emotional pain to other players you are being unbelievably selfish, and infact you are being a thug and a bully by criticising people in such a moronic way for playing the game the way it is meant to be played.

 

You aren't a bully for killing someone on CoD, it is the exact same thing. You expect to die on CoD, you should bloody well expect to die in the wilderness.

 

Sorry for the sudden attack of rage, but i think that post is completely out of order.

 

I will be back later, i'm going to go to the church and confess about killing all those people and taking their whips.

 

Oh, a little more OT:

Since there isn't a guaranteed save of items in the old wilderness, hopefully there will be far less clawers and AGSers. Since there will always be a chance that they will lose their items (unless they aren't skulled).

[Golvellius]

Whole worlds dedicated to thuggery wasn't enough. (i won't even call pking PVP)

A whole minigame with high scores that was set in the wildy wasn't enough.

Its quite simple why.

The quiters, the whiners, the yes voters, THE CLOWNS, they all need EASY PKS.

They need people in the wildy who don't fight back.

They need green dragon killers who carrry little food.

They need abyssal crafters who can't fight back.

They need treasure trailers who venture into places they can't get out of so fast.

They need little kids who don't know any better with lots of hard earned gp to wonder accross the wildy ditch.

They need gimmicks and bugs to put skulls on people with only 3 items.

Alll I got to say is that jagex better increase memory allocation for their rants forum if they go through with this stupidy.

I remember the rants forum pre 2007 and it was nothing but OMFG STOP RUNNING STOP BRINGING 3 ITEMS AND LET ME PK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jimmyw3000]

omg tet xmas party@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

[NukeMarine]

Haha I am not a pker. However there is no point in complaining about an update 90% of runescape wants and was part of the game for 6+ years prior to that.

 

Plenty of people left, plenty more then the amount of people complaining about the wilderness coming back. Plenty of people that I know personally said they would play again if the wilderness came back. So if one 2010 product leaves then good riddens! :thumbsup:

You're hilarious.

 

The 90% is in favor of free trade- wilderness on every world is more like an idiot rider attached to a good bill.

 

I've been playing since 2001, so...

This ^

 

Jagex was always bad with polls, but both of these polls were noticeably bad. You can have free trade without the wilderness of old (and staking), however you cannot have the wilderness of old (and staking) without free trade. When Jagex did "Phase 2" they should have given an option of 1. no free trade; 2. free trade +staking, 3. free trade +staking +wilderness. Then at least we'd have a good idea of how much people wanted free trade and how many wanted the wilderness back to the way it was.

 

Actually, what is the best way to do a poll? I think a "Select all you would like to return" sort of poll is best.

 

1. Free Trade

2. No limit bids GE

3. Unlimited Staking

4. PvP Wilderness Area on all worlds

5. PvP Worlds with "keep what you kill"

etc.

 

Then it's a matter of listing possibilities and seeing what actual accounts think. PLUS: Jagex can show the results between member and non-member accounts.

[GuidesForScapers]

Haha I am not a pker. However there is no point in complaining about an update 90% of runescape wants and was part of the game for 6+ years prior to that.

 

Plenty of people left, plenty more then the amount of people complaining about the wilderness coming back. Plenty of people that I know personally said they would play again if the wilderness came back. So if one 2010 product leaves then good riddens! :thumbsup:

You're hilarious.

 

The 90% is in favor of free trade- wilderness on every world is more like an idiot rider attached to a good bill.

 

I've been playing since 2001, so...

This ^

 

Jagex was always bad with polls, but both of these polls were noticeably bad. You can have free trade without the wilderness of old (and staking), however you cannot have the wilderness of old (and staking) without free trade. When Jagex did "Phase 2" they should have given an option of 1. no free trade; 2. free trade +staking, 3. free trade +staking +wilderness. Then at least we'd have a good idea of how much people wanted free trade and how many wanted the wilderness back to the way it was.

 

Actually, what is the best way to do a poll? I think a "Select all you would like to return" sort of poll is best.

 

1. Free Trade

2. No limit bids GE

3. Unlimited Staking

4. PvP Wilderness Area on all worlds

5. PvP Worlds with "keep what you kill"

etc.

 

Then it's a matter of listing possibilities and seeing what actual accounts think. PLUS: Jagex can show the results between member and non-member accounts.

But the only options should be nothing, free trade and wilderness. You can't have free trade without staking, or vice versa... It is pointless and just doesn't work. But lets face the facts, regardless of what options there are free trade and wilderness would always win. Yes, there would be a smaller majority, but by how much? 5% less? 10%? It would still be nowhere near enough to change the poll significantly. If you think it would be more than that you are kidding yourself.

[Will H]

...I don't think this thread is going to end well. This is what happens when people don't have anything more to talk about.

[Remorse]

I'm going to be quite short about this - That Jagex knows what they're doing and that they take the consequences of their decision. And, on a side note, so much drama.

[NukeMarine]

Jagex was always bad with polls, but both of these polls were noticeably bad. You can have free trade without the wilderness of old (and staking), however you cannot have the wilderness of old (and staking) without free trade. When Jagex did "Phase 2" they should have given an option of 1. no free trade; 2. free trade +staking, 3. free trade +staking +wilderness. Then at least we'd have a good idea of how much people wanted free trade and how many wanted the wilderness back to the way it was.

 

Actually, what is the best way to do a poll? I think a "Select all you would like to return" sort of poll is best.

 

1. Free Trade

2. No limit bids GE

3. Unlimited Staking

4. PvP Wilderness Area on all worlds

5. PvP Worlds with "keep what you kill"

etc.

 

Then it's a matter of listing possibilities and seeing what actual accounts think. PLUS: Jagex can show the results between member and non-member accounts.

But the only options should be nothing, free trade and wilderness. You can't have free trade without staking, or vice versa... It is pointless and just doesn't work. But lets face the facts, regardless of what options there are free trade and wilderness would always win. Yes, there would be a smaller majority, but by how much? 5% less? 10%? It would still be nowhere near enough to change the poll significantly. If you think it would be more than that you are kidding yourself.

No, those aren't the only options. The biggest option is FREE TRADE. Without that, the rest just would not be feasible as they can skirt free trade. Why does the Wilderness for PvP need to be on every world? Why do the PvP servers need to be removed? Why do the Revenants need to be relocated? Free trade is the key, but the other stuff is optional and not covered with a simple yes/no poll.

 

By the way, I think you'll find most want free trade. A MUCH SMALLER number care about the Wilderness returning to PvP. There's plenty of existing polls about the number of players that PvP that can determine that, though I'd prefer another poll to be sure.

[Crossed_Body]

I smell a hypocrisy. I see the way we are selfish - we want YOU to play like WE want you to play. But .. if YOU want US to play like YOU want us to play ... that's not selfish at all ... ?!

And no I do not imply that the wilderness should be safe. I imply that both sides are being selfish.

 

I want you the play the game Jagex intended to create in the first place, without any limitations or baby hand holders. Remember, Jagex was FORCED to remove the wilderness and the free trade. And it cost them a lot.

 

I'm not a pker at all. I just want Runescape restored to what it should be. What the developers want it to be.

[Hajutze]

I'm not a pker at all. I just want Runescape restored to what it should be. What the developers want it to be.

Now now ... and how exactly do you know what they want ?

[Crossed_Body]

I'm not a pker at all. I just want Runescape restored to what it should be. What the developers want it to be.

Now now ... and how exactly do you know what they want ?

...Because they made the game that way and then were forced to remove features they originally planned due to unforeseen circunstances? Boy, you sure are dense. Ever wonder why they are having this poll? The circunstances are gone, and they'd like to stick to the original plan.

[Hajutze]

I'm not a pker at all. I just want Runescape restored to what it should be. What the developers want it to be.

Now now ... and how exactly do you know what they want ?

...Because they made the game that way and then were forced to remove features they originally planned due to unforeseen circunstances? Boy, you sure are dense. Ever wonder why they are having this poll? The circunstances are gone, and they'd like to stick to the original plan.

As far as I remember the 1st version had a pking system similar to PvP worlds with PKers and non-PKers separated. I'd assume this is what the founders of the game wanted. But you know .. this would piss off the pkers because they'll have to .. you know .. fight prepared people who are willing to fight back.

 

And this system is perfect:

- Pkers are NOT limited to few worlds (as far as I know they want to be able to pk in all words)

- [bleep] the wildy, the whole world is dangerous (it's a plus isn't it ?)

- and pkers and skillers are separated as they should be. If you want to be a pker you should handle the consequences - the danger of other people wanting to actually fight you.

[pulli23]

I'm not a pker at all. I just want Runescape restored to what it should be. What the developers want it to be.

Now now ... and how exactly do you know what they want ?

...Because they made the game that way and then were forced to remove features they originally planned due to unforeseen circunstances? Boy, you sure are dense. Ever wonder why they are having this poll? The circunstances are gone, and they'd like to stick to the original plan.

As far as I remember the 1st version had a pking system similar to PvP worlds with PKers and non-PKers separated. I'd assume this is what the founders of the game wanted. But you know .. this would piss off the pkers because they'll have to .. you know .. fight prepared people who are going to kill them. And this system is perfect. Pkers are NOT limited to few worlds, [bleep] the wildy, the whole world is dangerous and pkers and skillers are separated.

that was way back in rsc.. And was actually removed since it made pking unprofitable, and senseless!

[Crossed_Body]

As far as I remember the 1st version had a pking system similar to PvP worlds with PKers and non-PKers separated. I'd assume this is what the founders of the game wanted. But you know .. this would piss off the pkers because they'll have to .. you know .. fight prepared people who are going to kill them. And this system is perfect. Pkers are NOT limited to few worlds, [bleep] the wildy, the whole world is dangerous and pkers and skillers are separated.

 

Nope, I don't remember that in Runescape. At least not since 2004, when I first played. Maybe they had it for beta? Or maybe classic, but classic is a different game altogether.

[LinkOlaran]

I find it absolutely hilarious how... insulting you guys can be to one another when you're, ahem, 'discussing' things.

 

Can't you cool off and actually talk normally, without calling each other morons, idiots and [developmentally delayed]s? Seriously.

 

 

That being said, I'm sticking with what I said earlier. I just hope Jagex knows what they're doing with this update. I don't really give a damn about clues anymore - I only do them for fun anyway, and if it actually does become difficult to do wildy ones (which I doubt), then I'll just toss em from now on (apart from an elite clue, if I ever get another one).

 

Would I be pissed if someone decides to try to kill me when I'm doing a clue? Maybe. To me it's just, 'oh great, another distraction', rather than, 'oh [cabbage] I'm gonna die'. I'm not even afraid of revs anymore, I tease the higher level ones constantly. Even got piled by a clan of them + chaos ele and still didn't come close to dying.

 

Meh. Maybe I'm just in a pissy mood because I have a headache. Ah well. Like I said before, I hope you pking types have fun and such. I'll stay out of your way :P

[Hajutze]

As far as I remember the 1st version had a pking system similar to PvP worlds with PKers and non-PKers separated. I'd assume this is what the founders of the game wanted. But you know .. this would piss off the pkers because they'll have to .. you know .. fight prepared people who are going to kill them. And this system is perfect. Pkers are NOT limited to few worlds, [bleep] the wildy, the whole world is dangerous and pkers and skillers are separated.

Nope, I don't remember that in Runescape. At least not since 2004, when I first played. Maybe they had it for beta? Or maybe classic, but classic is a different game altogether.

http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Pking#History

Educate yourself then :thumbsup:. As far as you can see it was implemented because the pkers whined that ... other pkers pked them. Now .. we could just go back to the original system because I assume you pkers want to fight (judging from your posts) so the problem is not present anymore.

 

They should totally make a petition for it <3:

 

And if Classic is different game than RS2 you should consider pre-2007 and post 2007 pretty much 2 different games. Summoning and dg weren't in pre-2007, the untradable potions, the curses, well GWD was released few months before the killing of wildy but you can count it in both "versions", the divine shields, the claws, the whole effin combat was entirely different (power-wise). The pre and post 2007 are as different as rsc compared to rsn.

 

tl;dr If they want to take a step back (or forward, depending on the pov) they should take one step further and implement the rsc system. You can pk everywhere (no restrictions world/place-wise) with people who want to do the same and you can't run from it :shame: .

[Robert_R]

If he's being selfish because he wants it to go back to the original ways and have the pvp wild in every world. Then how are you not being selfish by wanting to confine pkers from the rest of runescape in a few worlds so you can use the wild for what you want to do. I don't really care if pvp goes through or not I just want free trade but really you're all acting childish saying one or the other is being selfish. Discuss like normal people not two 12 year olds fighting over something on the playground.

 

There are positive and negatives of the wild coming back nobody is going to be happy. The pkers won't have to play on a few worlds. The skillers could have a harder time. If you want to kill green dragons there are other places if you're scared. Bringing back the wild will get rid of the statue system that's bringing cash into the game like a waterfall. The wild is supposed to be a place that you're hesitant to go in. It's not supposed to be like the rest of runescape where you can just run around with no sense of fear at all. At least that's what jagex originally made it.

 

Seriously there is very little risk in this game why is everyone so against making runescape a little more exciting again.

[fishy227]

So if ( mostly When) they bring back the "old" Wilderness, nothing should be excluded, this includes Overloads. What do others think about that? I'm sure a whole lot will complain if they ddo let overloads in, but tough, people who trained non-combat skills should have an advantage over someone with maxed melees' and only 20's in other stats.

[Robert_R]

So if ( mostly When) they bring back the "old" Wilderness, nothing should be excluded, this includes Overloads. What do others think about that? I'm sure a whole lot will complain if they ddo let overloads in, but tough, people who trained non-combat skills should have an advantage over someone with maxed melees' and only 20's in other stats.

While I do believe in what you just said overloads might be a bit much.

[fishy227]

So if ( mostly When) they bring back the "old" Wilderness, nothing should be excluded, this includes Overloads. What do others think about that? I'm sure a whole lot will complain if they ddo let overloads in, but tough, people who trained non-combat skills should have an advantage over someone with maxed melees' and only 20's in other stats.

While I do believe in what you just said overloads might be a bit much.

 

Why? If you worked for something as epic as overloads why would they be too good ?