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The Evolution of Combat: BETA discussion

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I can view and post in the unlimited access areas of forums, but it states on my forum profile that my membership started dec. 2011, how odd :/

 

Might be that you got chosen as a replacement for someone who was kicked out of the beta. Same thing happened to me and I have less than half a year of consecutive membership.

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  • Dear Jagex,   You guys said that you read this thread in that livestream.   Releasing EOC prematurely is the worst decision you could possibly make.   That is all.   Love, Meredith

  • I still don't like how levels only allow you to unlock abilities and equipment. Gaining a strength level should raise your max hit by a lot more than 1.

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    I'm still not happy that they've made skill levels so useless in terms of direct contribution to combat (attack/def rolls, max hit etc). As it is, I can actually get hit by level 2 rats pretty consist

In case anyone's interested, base spell damage of all offensive spells on the normal spell book and on the ancient spell book:

 

Wind Strike: 50 (level 1)

Water Strike: 64 (level 5)

Earth Strike: 78 (level 9)

Fire Strike: 112 (level 13)

 

Wind Bolt: 146 (level 17)

Water Bolt: 198 (level 23)

Earth Bolt: 248 (level 29)

Fire Bolt: 300 (level 35)

 

Wind Blast: 352 (level 41)

Water Blast: 404 (level 47)

Earth Blast: 454 (level 53)

Fire Blast: 506 (level 59)

 

Wind Wave: 532 (level 62)

Water Wave: 558 (level 65)

Earth Wave: 600 (level 70)

Fire Wave: 642 (level 75)

 

Wind Surge: 684 (level 81)

Water Surge: 684 (level 85)

Earth Surge: 684 (level 90)

Fire Surge: 684 (level 95)

 

Slayer Dart: 428 (level 50)

Divine Storm: 520 (level 60)

Storm of Armadyl: 642 (level 77)

Polypore Strike: 684 (level 80)

 

Ancient Magicks:

 

Gale Rush: 428 (level 50)

Rock Rush: 444 (level 52)

Bloodfire Rush: 480 (level 56)

Ice Rush: 496 (level 58)

 

Gale Burst: 532 (level 62)

Rock Burst: 548 (level 64)

Bloodfire Burst: 584 (level 68)

Ice Burst: 600 (level 70)

 

Gale Blitz: 632 (level 74)

Rock Blitz: 650 (level 76)

Bloodfire Blitz: 684 (level 80)

Ice Blitz: 684 (level 82)

 

Gale Barrage: 684 (level 86)

Rock Barrage: 684 (level 88)

Bloodfire Barrage: 684 (level 92)

Ice Barrage: 684 (level 94)

 

So max base damage with mage has been capped at 684? Kind of dumb to have ice barrage and blitz do same damage even if one is a aoe. Would make some sense at least if rush/burst and blitz/barrage did same damage instead of the random cap.

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I did. I tested it with Air Strike, at level 1 Magic, dual casting. Air Stike does 52 spell damage at level 1, but because I was dual casting, which does 75% spell damage, my max hit without Torment was 39.

 

I noticed that with Torment on, some of my hits would appear as critical hits, as if I was wearing a piece of jewelry with a critical hit bonus on it. The highest hit I saw was 48. Then I tested it with all of my jewelry on, also with Torment active, and the highest hit I saw was 50.

 

I'm confused, lol.

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I'm still getting random critical hits with Torment, even if I'm just using a wand.

I can view and post in the unlimited access areas of forums, but it states on my forum profile that my membership started dec. 2011, how odd :/

 

Might be that you got chosen as a replacement for someone who was kicked out of the beta. Same thing happened to me and I have less than half a year of consecutive membership.

Good point Jonan, wish they'd have messaged me somewhere about it though. Good news though for me :)

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I'm surprised nobody mentioned that Members might like checking out how F2P Beta is like. Y'know... because Members can log into both worlds?

I started again on my backup/side project f2p account, a range/def pure. Surprisingly fun, eventually if they do re-open beta to f2p I'll try raise stats more and attempt pking as ranged tank. Talking of my f2p account, I really need to raise it's ranged + def level from 40 to 50 for rune/blue d'hide when EoC goes live lol

That post was directed more towards montychuck. He was wondering why there were people in F2P beta worlds (at least, that's what I got out of it.)

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I'm surprised nobody mentioned that Members might like checking out how F2P Beta is like. Y'know... because Members can log into both worlds?

I started again on my backup/side project f2p account, a range/def pure. Surprisingly fun, eventually if they do re-open beta to f2p I'll try raise stats more and attempt pking as ranged tank. Talking of my f2p account, I really need to raise it's ranged + def level from 40 to 50 for rune/blue d'hide when EoC goes live lol

That post was directed more towards montychuck. He was wondering why there were people in F2P beta worlds (at least, that's what I got out of it.)

Ahh fair enough I must've missed Monty's post prior to yours.

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That post was directed more towards montychuck. He was wondering why there were people in F2P beta worlds (at least, that's what I got out of it.)

It's open to F2P now, if you're interested.

Holy crap, you're right.

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I gave the EoC another shot, it seems a lot more balanced now, just the way they put a 15% drain on thresholds really hampered the spam.

Wasn't too sure on the 15% drain myself but I like it. If only ultimates were better for magic so it was actually a choice between using them and thresholds.

 

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Is the extra 307 damage worth the -500 accuracy?

 

Edit2: Tested on bloodvelds and bandos/zamorak gwd. Works good on the former, badly on the latter.

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Why are you using runite bolts?

 

Well, I just turned a member for 12 consecutive months, and I can't view the unlimited beta access forum :(

Wow that updated equipment screen is definitely a heck of a lot better for understanding wtf things mean. Nice to see the effectiveness is tiered nicely so ranged weapons vs mage armour = pwned, vs melee armour = poor, vs ranged armour = not bad but not brilliant.

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Wasn't too sure on the 15% drain myself but I like it. If only ultimates were better for magic so it was actually a choice between using them and thresholds.

 

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Is the extra 307 damage worth the -500 accuracy?

 

Edit2: Tested on bloodvelds and bandos/zamorak gwd. Works good on the former, badly on the latter.

 

Rune javelins and a chaotic crossbow with runite bolts have the same DPS. 791 damage with a 3.6 interval = 219,72 DPS. 527 damage with a 2.4 interval = 219,58 DPS. And the chaotic crossbow has 300 more hit bonus.

Wasn't too sure on the 15% drain myself but I like it. If only ultimates were better for magic so it was actually a choice between using them and thresholds.

 

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Is the extra 307 damage worth the -500 accuracy?

 

Edit2: Tested on bloodvelds and bandos/zamorak gwd. Works good on the former, badly on the latter.

 

Rune javelins and a chaotic crossbow with runite bolts have the same DPS. 791 damage with a 3.6 interval = 219,72 DPS. 527 damage with a 2.4 interval = 219,58 DPS. And the chaotic crossbow has 300 more hit bonus.

 

Yes if you're auto attacking, but if you're using abilities they have the potential to be the same speed since ability cooldown isn't affected by weapon speed.

 

 

Why are you using runite bolts?

 

Well, I just turned a member for 12 consecutive months, and I can't view the unlimited beta access forum :(

I'm trying to get a sense of what will actually be viable after the update goes live, I probably won't be using dragonstone bolts for training, nevermind onyx.

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Royal bolts are an option for training, they're level 80 to use (684 damage) and work with any crossbow now.

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Live official Q&A on the EoC happening right now:

There is something I don't understand with the new star system, once I reach 5 stars I can add more gear and see no change.

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Well, appearently they don't think there's ability mashing in PvE.

 

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I am curious as to where the person was getting 2m xp/hr at. I am going through a list of old single-combat zones which are now multi trying to find something or the mob he used.

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