The Evolution of Combat: BETA discussion

[Sir_Squab]

Please explain or expand on that. Pures have significantly less health then those in armour. Like, half the health or less for 1 def pures. Kinda seems like a big disadvantage.

[brunokiller]

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Please explain or expand on that. Pures have significantly less health then those in armour. Like, half the health or less for 1 def pures. Kinda seems like a big disadvantage.

 

Having low lp doesn't limit your healing potential.

 

That said I don't think you need more than freedom as a pure.

[Cheefoo]

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Please explain or expand on that. Pures have significantly less health then those in armour. Like, half the health or less for 1 def pures. Kinda seems like a big disadvantage.

 

Having low lp doesn't limit your healing potential.

 

That said I don't think you need more than freedom as a pure.

 

But lower health means you're much more susceptible to getting KOed. It's not uncommon to hit multiple 1000+ hits in rapid succession. 1 defence vs 70 defence is about ~4k lifepoints difference. That's pretty huge.

[michel555555]

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Please explain or expand on that. Pures have significantly less health then those in armour. Like, half the health or less for 1 def pures. Kinda seems like a big disadvantage.

 

Having low lp doesn't limit your healing potential.

 

That said I don't think you need more than freedom as a pure.

 

didnt jagex say something about changing food to have a life point requirement in order for it to heal fully?

 

or did they scrap that idea?

[Sir_Squab]

Eh, maybe, but high level pures get 99 hp. The main thing pures avoid getting is def levels, and sometimes attack levels.

[Quyneax]

Zerkers still have a good health boost and they are equal to 72 allround stats (at 99 strength/45 def). Compared to the current game, they can even get 99 prayer and attack for free, where previously they'd stick at 80 attack/95 prayer. The jump from adamant to barrows isn't big enough to make up for the jump from 99 strength chaotics to 72 strength whips. And of course zerkers can get 50 def (from their current 42-45) to get runite.

[Sir_Squab]

Someone said that most pures are good, implying 1 def pures are also good. Seems reasonable that something like a Zerker pure could be very effective.

 

Also, GW gear should go back to 75 def requirements.

[Blutters]

I believe the original point was that 1 defense mage pures were more viable now because staves confer all of the needed damage and accuracy. I'm not sure about how much ranged pures benefit, as I don't know if D'hide chaps/vambs still require no defense level. Even if D'hide does require defense, ranged pures are still on par with mage ones seeing as their weapons hold all of the accuracy too. All pures should benefit quite a bit from the LP change, though.

[Kimberly]

Sending off the questions tomorrow (wednesday). If you've got any more questions, please post them. Currently all we have are questions from ambler :P

[Naive]

Will they be fixing the godawful faces?

[Miss Lioness]

Question for the live:

 

I know they want to make a lot of things work different like crush on specific monsters, so the damage output is higher. However why do this with range/mage? That makes it soo much harder to do these monsters as the costs to use these methods are still rather high. Especially with range as throwing weapons etc are not used a lot but still cost a ton.

[Kaida23]

Will they be fixing the godawful faces?

Yes they will. It was posted a few pages back. ([qfc]15-16-716-63990373[/qfc])

[RSBDavid]

@Kimberly

 

My question is:

Will the update happen all at once or in stages. For example, will we possibly see the action bar, followed by the interface updates, then the abilities or will we see all of it at once?

[J35u5_M4]

I think the most logical thing would be to have it all happen at once

[Blyaunte]

I think the most logical thing would be to have it all happen at once

 

Yeppers, just like a band-aid. Tear it off in one sudden (and terribly painful) ... :huh: :blink:

 

Wait, I'm not sure I like this analogy! :unsure:

[J35u5_M4]

It was more of a, why have an action bar without abilities? Sure you can put pots and stuff but once the abilities are release the action bar will be used for them, so there's no point in getting used to having the bar filled with items when, in the end, it won't be L

[J35u5_M4]

Just came up with a question:

 

When are they updating DG ring in beta? As far as I know they're still the old ones which don't adjust to the new system

[RSBDavid]

It was more of a, why have an action bar without abilities? Sure you can put pots and stuff but once the abilities are release the action bar will be used for them, so there's no point in getting used to having the bar filled with items when, in the end, it won't be L

 

Prayers, magic spells (teleports, combat spells, skilling spells), quick chat responses maybe, food and potions for boss hunting, familiar actions, etc. Not everyone will use it for combat.

[Cheefoo]

Auto attacks never cease to confuse me.

 

In the most recent version, melee auto attack "cooldown" seems to be interrupted every time you use an ability. So you can't time your abilities so you get auto attacks in between. However, it seems like magic still now has that capability, where in the previous version it didn't.

[Sy_Accursed]

Dg as an entir

Question for the live:

 

I know they want to make a lot of things work different like crush on specific monsters, so the damage output is higher. However why do this with range/mage? That makes it soo much harder to do these monsters as the costs to use these methods are still rather high. Especially with range as throwing weapons etc are not used a lot but still cost a ton.

 

Well rune costs have been vastly reduced so mage is no longer expensive, as for ranged weapons the reason they are expensive atm is simple supply & demand. The supply or good arrows etc. is low because people don't want them so people leave drops on the ground or alch them once they are useful the supply should shift which would effect prices; plus in all the tweaking etc. Jagex could easily do several things such as lower ammo breakage, increased drops of assorted ammo items heck they could even introduce more 'magical infinite' ammo items

[J35u5_M4]

It was more of a, why have an action bar without abilities? Sure you can put pots and stuff but once the abilities are release the action bar will be used for them, so there's no point in getting used to having the bar filled with items when, in the end, it won't be L

 

Prayers, magic spells (teleports, combat spells, skilling spells), quick chat responses maybe, food and potions for boss hunting, familiar actions, etc. Not everyone will use it for combat.

 

Prayers = Combat

Combat Spells = Combat

Boss Hunting = Combat

Who the hell would waste a slot there for quickchat response?

Now, about skilling spells, that one can be used entirely for no combat, like herb runs and stuff

 

But imagine making your action bar when there are no abilities, in the case of boss hunting, ok you got potions, you got food, you got prayers, you got any equipment swap you may need. Now abilities come out, would you really keep the same bar? You'd have to revamp it to include the abilities

[Leon S]

I have a couple of questions for the live stream:

 

Will something be done about the ability mashing for PvM? There is no rotation or priority system of any sort. You just use whatever ability is off cooldown.

 

Can you take another look at the damage rates of weapons and spells? There is still quite a bit of imbalance. For example, dual casting does a lot less DPS than a staff. I think the difference is around 100%. It's pretty big.

 

Right now, potions and prayers make up for around 1% of our total damage in the EoC beta. They aren't worth using, really. A suggestion: make potions and prayers affect your level and weapon damage.

 

Can you increase the life points of monsters? I was doing a Slayer task a while ago, and I was one hitting nechryaels with Magic.

[jayc3399]

As an aside why not just make pots and prayer effect weapon damage instead of levels.

[Failed Acct]

As an aside why not just make pots and prayer effect weapon damage instead of levels.

 

That would be an excellent way to devalue skill level even more than it already is. The real fix is to make your skill level play much more of a role in your DPS...at least on par with weapon damage.

[jayc3399]

As an aside why not just make pots and prayer effect weapon damage instead of levels.

 

That would be an excellent way to devalue skill level even more than it already is. The real fix is to make your skill level play much more of a role in your DPS...at least on par with weapon damage.

 

except you need levels to use weapons?