Fallstar Posted August 18, 2012 Author Share Posted August 18, 2012 The problem is that there are a vast number of players that want to bet on the various games, and since players can simply host on irc channels regardless of what jagex does (some of the most successful dicing clans are irc exclusive) there is nothing jagex can do. Instead, I propose that Jagex put some basic maths lessons on the home page. Multiplication, Percentages, Independent Probability should cover it, as anyone with a basic understanding of those concepts would understand that betting is the height of foolishness. Once people are no longer so completely ignorant, maybe there will no longer be a market for hosts. The only reason hosting is so lucrative is that there is a market for it. Even just from the people on this thread, I recognize two people who have bet very large amounts in Win All Day before. People like to complain about things, so from the posts on a forum like this you might think that dicing is extremely unpopular. But in reality it just isn't the case. Asmodean <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheat Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 But that would explain to the masses that buying spins is very unlikely to wield 400m to them so it would really be a bad move. Pedicabo ego vos et irrumaboMinigames: Level 5 in All Barbarian Assault Roles PM me in game or on these forums to play. Over 500 Castle Wars Games with 460+ Tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arceus Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 The problem is that there are a vast number of players that want to bet on the various games, and since players can simply host on irc channels regardless of what jagex does (some of the most successful dicing clans are irc exclusive) there is nothing jagex can do. Instead, I propose that Jagex put some basic maths lessons on the home page. Multiplication, Percentages, Independent Probability should cover it, as anyone with a basic understanding of those concepts would understand that betting is the height of foolishness. Once people are no longer so completely ignorant, maybe there will no longer be a market for hosts. The only reason hosting is so lucrative is that there is a market for it. Even just from the people on this thread, I recognize two people who have bet very large amounts in Win All Day before. People like to complain about things, so from the posts on a forum like this you might think that dicing is extremely unpopular. But in reality it just isn't the case.I have made this point before, and people do not like hearing it. It's in the same vein as my friend who complained about bots even though he told me he was buying gold. "Fight for what you believe in, and believe in what you're fighting for." Can games be art? --- My blog here if you want to check out my Times articles and other writings! I always appreciate comments/feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordkafei Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 Bravo, Jagex. My only complaint is that this took so long. It is probably a case of too little, too late - but at least in the end you acted. PvP is not for meIn the 3rd Year of the BoycottReal-world money saved since FT/W: Hundreds of DollarsReal-world time saved since FT/W: Thousands of Hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
999134 Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 Channel 4 is gone!I sent Jagex an email (the same email I sent to them months ago :wall: ) with the obvious evidence, and he has been banned! 2 Check it out, huge amount of effort has gone into this massive mod![hide=old sig][/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omali Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 theyll just make new accs and continue hosting anyways Yep. If Jagex were really committed to removing gambling from RuneScape they would have done something about the methods of gambling, like they did with the horse and dice. They don't even have to remove the items from the game, just:1.) Divide the mithril flowers into different seeds for different colors.2.) Take the random draw items and just make them repeat in succession instead of randomly. Like the Classic Cape will always go bar - arrow - etc. And none of this has any effect on the blackmarket dicing that takes place on IRC Not much you can do about that except make dicing against the rules, encourage players to report those advertising it. Getting rid of the in-game gambling would reduce a lot of the gambler's income, however. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arceus Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 theyll just make new accs and continue hosting anyways Yep. If Jagex were really committed to removing gambling from RuneScape they would have done something about the methods of gambling, like they did with the horse and dice. They don't even have to remove the items from the game, just:1.) Divide the mithril flowers into different seeds for different colors.2.) Take the random draw items and just make them repeat in succession instead of randomly. Like the Classic Cape will always go bar - arrow - etc. And none of this has any effect on the blackmarket dicing that takes place on IRC Not much you can do about that except make dicing against the rules, encourage players to report those advertising it. Getting rid of the in-game gambling would reduce a lot of the gambler's income, however.Hence there is a lobby and a ton of vehement argument against it when someone discusses taking these actions. "Fight for what you believe in, and believe in what you're fighting for." Can games be art? --- My blog here if you want to check out my Times articles and other writings! I always appreciate comments/feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuget Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 Finally some actions are taken, lets see where it ends... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tres Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 only thing that will stop rwt and gambling in all ways is bringing back trade limit...in side effect it will stop most scamming and alot of hacking and botting.rs 2 years ago if i think it now only downside was junk trading and junk ge manipulation otherwise i didnt see any problem with trade limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonewall337 Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 When odds were 45-55% I did a little dicing. I won more then i lost in the few rounds I did. A 5% house advantage, although greater then most casinos IIRC (think they are between 1.5-4% often) but it was fun. Odds greater then that against me, NTY. There will always be a market for "get rich quick". Hence, staking, dicing, luring, high risk fights (sometimes) etc. You can't get rid of it. And I prefer free trade with it's problems to the game without free trade personally. I like being able to split cash with friends, to loan items, or get items loaned. ETCETC. [hide=Drops]Araxxor Eye x1 Leg pieces x2GWD: 5000 Addy bar Steam B Staff x3 Z Spear x6 Sara. Hilt x2 Bandos Hilt x2 (LS, Solo)SS x6 (1 LS)Tormented Demons: Shard x6 Slice x5 Claws x9 Limbs x3DKS: Archer x21 Warrior x31 Berserker x30 Axe x51[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlanders Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 I can't say I feel vindicated by this. Why would they care that their character is banned when they've made thousands of dollars of inrl money? These people probably don't even care about this game anymore. Since dicing requires 0 stats, they could just buy some starting gp and start all over again. 2480+ total Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 If jagex asked swiftnit to take down swiftirc, I'm sure a lot of irc dicing would stop. Yes, the persistent would use other networks, but the more casual dicers likely wouldn't bother. They could also make ingame chat more like irc, with built in runescript-esque bots. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberly Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 That's like saying shut down pharmacutical companies because of illegal drugs. Not only is it absurd, not only is it impossible, it would hurt far more than they help. Far more. Like, that aside, I would cut you if you try to close #solace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 If jagex asked swiftnit to take down swiftirc, I'm sure a lot of irc dicing would stop. Yes, the persistent would use other networks, but the more casual dicers likely wouldn't bother. They could also make ingame chat more like irc, with built in runescript-esque bots. Just a thought. Hi Hedgehog, SwiftKit and SwiftIRC are two separate entities. SwiftKit uses SwiftIRC as its default IRC server, but apart from that there's not a lot more involved. SwiftIRC as a network has been around since 2005, and it doesn't just attract RuneScapers who are looking to converse. Making such a request would be absurd, there are many other networks/mediums of chat available. RIP Michaelangelopolous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randox Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 theyll just make new accs and continue hosting anyways Yep. If Jagex were really committed to removing gambling from RuneScape they would have done something about the methods of gambling, like they did with the horse and dice. They don't even have to remove the items from the game, just:1.) Divide the mithril flowers into different seeds for different colors.2.) Take the random draw items and just make them repeat in succession instead of randomly. Like the Classic Cape will always go bar - arrow - etc. I still blame Jagex for all of this. They know that the community is a pack of wild, mostly unintelligent, animals and yet they still threw the meat out (dice). Now they'll find anything and everything to gamble with. Remember this is the same community that wanted Durial unbanned, expected Jagex to not ban players for exploiting that penguin bug allowing people to get thousands of points, and regularly wonder why Jagex bans players for killing each other where they shouldn't be. On this front I sympathize with them, because there is nothing they can do now to stop gambling. At least, not without peeing in everybody's cornflakes. Even if by some miracle you took out every element from the game that could be used for gambling (which isn't possible, but lets pretend it is), we have already seen they have other ways. There are bots now that roll dice (because that's not hard to rig in your favor) for you in chat; basiclaly a RNG hooked up to a dictionary, and IRC gambling chats with much the same thing in them. They didn't see what a huge problem this would be, and didn't bring the wrath down as soon as this started, and now its a problem we are going to be stuck with forever. Unfortunately, there was no way of knowing it would ever get like this. Really, the only solution that would actually work, as has been said, is to get rid of free trade again (which I wouldn't mind, at least most of the time). Its a pain in the butt on some occasions, but I can't say it ever bothered me and my playstyle (though I fully accept that it hampers other, sometimes legitimate, people). You can't solve the problem, but you can make it very difficult to move the money around. Of course, last time they did away with free trade and brought it back we got gambling out of it, so I'm not sure I want to see what we get if they remove it a second time and inevitably relent on us again. Maybe someone will figure out a way to make slavery work or something. RS players are certainly a creative bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bxpprod Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Take away free trade. Jus' sayin'. [bleep] OFF HOW ARE U SO [bleep]ING LUCKY U PIECE OF [bleep]ING SHIT [bleep] [bleep] [wagon] MUNCHER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Muto Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Too little too late imo, should have been done long ago. They'll be back I'm sure, with that kind of wealth they probably atleast have 1 or 2 alternate accounts they could start back up on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Take away free trade.Remember when everyone was cheering for the return of free trade? :twss: 4 I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donnie Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Yeah its still an improvement over the broken restricted trade where merch clans were in your face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bxpprod Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Take away free trade.Remember when everyone was cheering for the return of free trade? :twss: No. I was busy facepalming. [bleep] OFF HOW ARE U SO [bleep]ING LUCKY U PIECE OF [bleep]ING SHIT [bleep] [bleep] [wagon] MUNCHER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logdotzip Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I already spoke with Stokenut and he's calmly told me that he's going back to hosting in a couple days on a throwaway account. Hence GJ Jagex, they lost their accounts that they didn't give a shit about.But not their income. You set back these 3 - 4 banned people a couple days, nice one. my youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberly Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Well when you get banned for RWTing, the thing is you can just buy a new account and wealth from private sellers using the RWT'd funds. I doubt it would even take 3 or 4 days. More like...hours, honestly. That's the state Jagex's "detection systems" have left the game in. It's kind of pathetic that RWTing essentially becomes insurance against ending your game experience permanently as well as an income generator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urza285 Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 It's honestly not like it would be hard for people to sell accounts. Also a lot of those mule accounts those gamblers had were addressed. What that player meant as a throwaway account is probably some account with less-that-dedicated time spend on it like when I make a pure, DIY or skiller account when I have my max account. Those accounts aren't typically dedicated. Jagex has made efforts to staunch the gambling efforts, but there are too many ways to fake authenticity despite their efforts. Maxed [February 14, 2012] | Completionist [October 25, 2012] | Trimmed Completionist [in Progress]Visit my Blog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auror Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Take away free trade. Jus' sayin'. I think this is the only way to stop this. I'm looking forward to Jagex's attempts on preventing all this RWT'ing. I think they'll most likely find a way which will affect not only the RWT'ers, but the whole community, then the whole community will be pissed off and blame Jagex rather than the Greedy dicers/RWT'ers whose fault it is that Jagex is doing such updates to the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urza285 Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Take away free trade. Jus' sayin'. I think this is the only way to stop this. I'm looking forward to Jagex's attempts on preventing all this RWT'ing. I think they'll most likely find a way which will affect not only the RWT'ers, but the whole community, then the whole community will be pissed off and blame Jagex rather than the Greedy dicers/RWT'ers whose fault it is that Jagex is doing such updates to the game. Maxed [February 14, 2012] | Completionist [October 25, 2012] | Trimmed Completionist [in Progress]Visit my Blog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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