Eating meat - right or wrong?

[rocketman089]

Living up to the world view of Americans as loud mouthed idiots who don'y use any evidence but just threaten to use violence on any one they don't agree with... :uhh: :-# :uhh:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Finally someone realizes it's america's fault! I thought i'd have to spell it out for yall.

[Nadril]

I see it like this - is killing an innocent animal, removing its life from the earth, spilling its blood, really justified because 'that's how Nature intended it to be,'

 

 

 

I'm really, really, not trying to shove my views down your throats or anything, I just want to know how you all feel about it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We're the ones in charge, they are just animals.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't care what they do to the animal, how they raise it and how they kill it. If the product of their demise tastes good than its worth it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Btw, that picture is awsome indy :D

[dangeresque]

 

 

That they overrate themself '[omg] save the animals'. Good for you if you only eat vegetables, but I wouldn't survive a day without meat. I'd rather commit suicide than not eating delicious fat juicy meat. *No offence*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

None taken. I'm interested in what everyone else thinks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

+ Only eating vegetables isn't healthy. There are some things that are in meat only.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Untrue. You can fill up on eggs, milk, and nuts, which all contain protein.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"But eggs are chicken abortions! and when cows are milked they like have these machines that suck the milk out of them all day every day until they die!" something i heard from someone... yep its all true :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...off-topic at eb games today somone asked where they could buy runescape.. i tryed to hide my laughter but i couldnt :XD:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

actually, cows would die if they weren't milked, and they also like it when they are milked....plus imagine how many useless chickens there would be on earth if we never used their eggs....

[dangeresque]

 

 

That they overrate themself '[omg] save the animals'. Good for you if you only eat vegetables, but I wouldn't survive a day without meat. I'd rather commit suicide than not eating delicious fat juicy meat. *No offence*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

None taken. I'm interested in what everyone else thinks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

+ Only eating vegetables isn't healthy. There are some things that are in meat only.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Untrue. You can fill up on eggs, milk, and nuts, which all contain protein.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"But eggs are chicken abortions! and when cows are milked they like have these machines that suck the milk out of them all day every day until they die!" something i heard from someone... yep its all true :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...off-topic at eb games today somone asked where they could buy runescape.. i tryed to hide my laughter but i couldnt :XD:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

actually, cows would die if they weren't milked, and they also like it when they are milked....plus imagine how many useless chickens there would be on earth if we never used their eggs....

[Abyssalwhip]

 

I see it like this - is killing an innocent animal, removing its life from the earth, spilling its blood, really justified because 'that's how Nature intended it to be,'

 

 

 

I'm really, really, not trying to shove my views down your throats or anything, I just want to know how you all feel about it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We're the ones in charge, they are just animals.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't care what they do to the animal, how they raise it and how they kill it. If the product of their demise tastes good than its worth it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Btw, that picture is awsome indy :D

umm animals are living things too and wana see whose in charge? *puts you in a room with 15 aligators* so you would have living things tortured to death just so you can eat some...

[Nadril]

 

 

I see it like this - is killing an innocent animal, removing its life from the earth, spilling its blood, really justified because 'that's how Nature intended it to be,'

 

 

 

I'm really, really, not trying to shove my views down your throats or anything, I just want to know how you all feel about it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We're the ones in charge, they are just animals.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't care what they do to the animal, how they raise it and how they kill it. If the product of their demise tastes good than its worth it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Btw, that picture is awsome indy :D

umm animals are living things too and wana see whose in charge? *puts you in a room with 15 aligators* so you would have living things tortured to death just so you can eat some...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And? I don't really care if they are "living things". Survival of the fittest.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If, for examle, aligators were the dominent species on earth than I would fully expect to be killed at any moment. That's life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And yes, if "tourting it" would somehow make it taste better I'm all for it.

[Tigra00]

 

I won't go farther than drinking Soy Milk. I don't drink milk because it has hormones in it from the cows and it's *NOT* good for you at all. Plus, I think Vanilla Soy Milk tastes way better...Milk tastes like thick water to me, lol. No real taste. Soy milk, vegetables and meat have all the calcium I need, and so help me, if someone says I'm going to die from not drinking milk due to lack of calcium, I'm going to sock them in the eye. That's the most brain-washing campaign in all of the food industry, lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Living up to the world view of Americans as loud mouthed idiots who don'y use any evidence but just threaten to use violence on any one they don't agree with... :uhh: :-# :uhh:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It was a joke, Captain Moron.

[Tigra00]

 

You fail to see the point. Out in the "wild", there are no salads. That is, unless you wish to cut open the stomache contents of a rabbit...Which would be killing an animal anyways. That's about as close as you'll get. We are of course assuming you have the ability to survive in the wild - most people probably don't. But assuming everyone did...A vegetarian would die. There aren't enough good, filling edible things just readily available in plant-form. A lot of vegetarian diets consist of things made by our industrialized world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

While I'll cheerfully agree that the vegetarian would be malnutritioned in short order - exactly how short depends on what kind of plantlife is in the region, as soy beans for example contains protein - but you are not your ancestor. (And where the heck do you think edible plants come from anyway? Science labs? Of course there's edible plants in the wilds).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Assuming early man is even related to us and that [bleep]-Sapiens were not dropped here by God, our ancestors fought and killed animals, for meat. Surely they ate fruit if they could find any, 'cause if they didn't, they'd get scurvey and die, but when they were trouncing around in the snow, they didn't have the option to make a delicious salad with ranch dressing, did they? No. They speared a deer in the face and ate it. Why? 'Cause they had to.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Unless you intend to lay claim to being the last of the neanderthal - which is fine by me - you are in no way able to classify yourself as primitve man. You're most likely not even able to classify yourself as someone who hunts for food because no, stalking meat counters in local foodstores does not count. In other words, you - no matter what your ancestor's did, what people living in comparatively poor conditions around the globe do today - do not have to. Even ignoring replacing a meat diet completely and just minimizing the consumption of meat to healthy levels, or minimal health levels, you are quite likely to be above what you need in order to survive. A fair portion of the meat you eat is not - again, regardless of what your ancestor's were doing - eaten because you need it in order to survive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not saying it's morally wrong to eat meat in order to survive, I'm saying anyone who refers to nature, primitive man or survival as an argument defending his own meat consumption in a western nation is taking asinine hypocracy to a very special level. Unless they actually do eat only as much meat as they need in order to provide themselves with a healthy diet, which I sincerely doubt most of the people who argued that particular point do.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Humans are the only creatures on Earth who understand the concept of murder. Every other animal kills for survival, and I don't see why we're any different.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hmmm... You got me there... What could it possibly be, this elusive ability of ours. I think, I just think, it might have to do with the way our abstract thinking allows us to design ethical codes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Too subtle? I could make the text larger? No? Yes? No?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just because we mass-produce meat? We have to. People need it, there is money in the business, and most people don't know how to hunt. Deal with it. That's how it is. We're the same as animals, we're just MUCH more effecient. We have placed animal cruelty laws, and animals are killed humanely by most companies. Ever notice how PETA never reports on GOOD meat companies? You know, the ones who follow ALL the rules to a T? Yea - it's because that's not part of their propaganda. They don't want a single living thing to die an be eaten. They're unrealistic hippies; and that's being nice about it.

 

 

 

Do we have to, or do we want to?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is your meat consumption at a minimal level to maintain a balanced diet, or do you eat more meat than you really need?

 

 

 

Shall I even touch base on animal population control? It isn't like there is a shortage of cows, chickens and deer. Know why? 'Cause there are plenty of those damned animals. Especially deer - if we do not hunt them, they over-populate and spread disease.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh please... The first two are breed in mass quantities by us, and have been doing so long their wild relatives are found only in zoo's and the third keeps overpopulating because their natural enemies are big predators we killed off. No, eating meat is not an environmental service. At best, it ranks at a solution to a problem we created for ourselves.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What about the millions of animals every year killed by harvesters getting the food that you eat instead of animals? At least the animals killed for food doesn't get wasted.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where as the meat you eat is magically conjured, and doesn't involve feeding the cows with plant life. Well, actually, fish is fairly common. It's cheaper to feed cattle fish fished outside the coasts of Africa. The fact that people manage to die from starvation while we waste 90% of the fish (see, as a rule of thumb regarding the food chain, 1kg of meat requires 10kg of food for whatever it is. So 1kg of meat raised on fish requires 10kg of fish, which requires 100kg of whatever the fish lived on. Every step up the chain causes a loss of nine tenth's.) is just a sort of weird twist of fate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or another reason, completely separate from morality, why eating meat might not be the best of ideas.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again, you only read what you *want* to, not what is actually written. I never said we eat meat because our ancestors needed it to survive. We eat it because it's delicious. I said *IF* you were out, in the wild, trouncing around, you would surely die within the week as a vegetarian. A vegetarian probably wouldn't change his "views" on killing and eating something to survive...They're weird like that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And no, I don't think vegetables are lab-grown. Tell me, young Jedi...What are your chances of finding the ingredients for a salad in the woods? At the very least, you'd need to find some lettuce...Which would likely be impossible in itself, but good luck finding tamato's, too. I think MUSHROOMS would be the only damn thing you could find, and some would be poisonous, so good luck. Did you seriously suggest people eat soy beans straight off the field? Yea, you do that...

[das1330]

Meh, i'm sure vegetarianism is probably healthier for you in the long run, but it's not for me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm at the top of the food chain so I don't have a guilty conscience about eating animals for food. Survival of the fittest and all that and I have a right to tuck into a gorgeous fleshy steak without feeling guilty. If a cow had the chance, they'd do it to you. :uhh:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

actually, i remember reading some where that the lifespan of a non-vegatarian is about 5-9 years longer, possibly because of trace elements you need to be healthy(er)

[Make7upu101]

Tigra: I don't know if it's a joke but, do you seriously think that a vegetarian wouldn't eat meat to survive? A major reason for why people can even be vegetarian is because it's not needed for survival.

[Tigra00]

Tigra: I don't know if it's a joke but, do you seriously think that a vegetarian wouldn't eat meat to survive? A major reason for why people can even be vegetarian is because it's not needed for survival.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ask a weirdo PETA member if they'd rather eat meat or die. I betcha' most would say they'd rather die. :P

[____]

Tigra: I don't know if it's a joke but, do you seriously think that a vegetarian wouldn't eat meat to survive? A major reason for why people can even be vegetarian is because it's not needed for survival.

I wouldn't put it past some of them to die rather than kill an animal to survive :uhh:

[Make7upu101]

Alright, I was looking on the PETA website and actually looking for a number I could call to ask if they would kill an animal for survival when I realized that the conversation would be a little too akward for me to take. It still seems ridiculous to me that any human on this Earth would choose compassion over survival.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was looking through the FAQ page though. I realize it comes from a pretty darn biased source but it was a pretty interesting read for anyone who wants to check it out. PETA has such a bad rep so I try and take what they say with a grain of salt but there is some truth in what they're saying.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.peta.org/about/faq.asp

[____]

grain of salt, try a tanker of salt

[No_OnE]

Anyway, on a most serious note: what has been bothering me about this topic is the 'right or wrong' thing. It is just so naive to look at anything in life through those parameters. Both vegetarians and meat eaters are right: people are given the right to eat whatever they want to eat.

 

 

 

I fully agree. I eat meat but I have a friend who is a vegetarian. She doesn't try to shove her reasons for being a vegetarian down my throat or anyone else's throats. I see nothing wrong with eating meat. I also see nothing wrong with being a vegetarian. The people who make me mad are the people that protest against the eating of meat. I don't rub it in anyone's face that I eat meat so why should someone rub it in my face that they don't eat meat. Anyway, apinagez is right, people have the right to eat whatever they want to eat. Whether you are a vegetarian or a meat eater, I don't care. Just don't try to make me feel bad about eating meat. It won't work and it justs annoys me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On a side note, I didn't understand the answer PETA gave to this question. Maybe I'm missing something, I misread it, or I'm just tired but I really didn't get it:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬ÅItÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s fine for you to believe in animal rights, but why do you try to tell other people what to do?ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâÃ

[BlueTear]

 

 

 

Again, you only read what you *want* to, not what is actually written. I never said we eat meat because our ancestors needed it to survive. We eat it because it's delicious. I said *IF* you were out, in the wild, trouncing around, you would surely die within the week as a vegetarian. A vegetarian probably wouldn't change his "views" on killing and eating something to survive...They're weird like that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh I'm sorry, for some reason I presumed the only reason to bring up the survival in the wilds in a thread like this would be to argue the point that we should eat meat in order to survive. Apparently, I completely missed the fact you weren't really making a point relevant to the discussion, but was more or less just aiming to make fun of the haha-dead-vegetarians-in-the-wilds.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's okay, my argument was directed at anyone who pulls that stupid "it's natural!" line out of their hat anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And no, I don't think vegetables are lab-grown. Tell me, young Jedi...What are your chances of finding the ingredients for a salad in the woods? At the very least, you'd need to find some lettuce...Which would likely be impossible in itself, but good luck finding tamato's, too. I think MUSHROOMS would be the only damn thing you could find, and some would be poisonous, so good luck. Did you seriously suggest people eat soy beans straight off the field? Yea, you do that...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lol? Salad? Lettuce? Why would anyone go for lettuce? Or a salad? That's like going straight for a burger.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I see we're up to date on our organic edibles. Lettuce and tomatoe's. And mushrooms. Well, the first two are vegetables, so you're obviously at least partially familiar with that. You clearly grasp mushrooms as well. That leaves something called 'berries' and something called 'fruit'. Both of which are highly, hm, organic, very vegetitional (... I might have made that word up) and are most likely a lot easier to come by than lettuce. Wild apples and pears might not taste much better than crap, but they're decidedly edible, and quite frankly, an arbitarily chosen idiot is a lot likely to be able to identify them in the wilds.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(By the way... Since eating an only meat diet is going to leave you malnutritioned as well the vegetarian would only have to eat the same non-meat things as the omnivorous, just more of it. So... Where's the hunter going to find a salad?)

[Tigra00]

Most berries you're going to find out in the woods are - *gasp* - poisonous! You'd be lucky to find some raspberries...I know there are a couple bushes of them around here, but there are much, much more of those nice poisonous red ones!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, the meat eater would need vegetation aswell, and he could eat it if the vegetarian could, however, he'll be much less hungry, as he's actually eating things that are, you know...filling.

[mad4u689]

I was going to respond to some of the other more recent stuff, but BlueTear already kinda owned y'all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On a side note, I didn't understand the answer PETA gave to this question. Maybe I'm missing something, I misread it, or I'm just tired but I really didn't get it:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬ÅItÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s fine for you to believe in animal rights, but why do you try to tell other people what to do?ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâÃ

[mad4u689]

Most berries you're going to find out in the woods are - *gasp* - poisonous! You'd be lucky to find some raspberries...I know there are a couple bushes of them around here, but there are much, much more of those nice poisonous red ones!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, the meat eater would need vegetation aswell, and he could eat it if the vegetarian could, however, he'll be much less hungry, as he's actually eating things that are, you know...filling.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't overestimate the ease of finding nonvegetarian food. Hunting is quite difficult, and you need to be able to cook it afterwards, too. Or you could eat grubs - some of which may be poisonous.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First of all, I know very few vegetarians who wouldn't give up their vegetarianness in order to survive, so this is pretty much a stupid argument to be having in the first place.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, most berries aren't poisonous. That is a misconception. Hunter gatherers live largely entirely off of vegetarian options between hunts - there's a lot of edible vegetarian goodies, but you just have to know what's edible and what's not, and that comes with either practice or a guidebook. Ever played Oregon Trail 3? :D

[RSroriniho]

Most berries you're going to find out in the woods are - *gasp* - poisonous! You'd be lucky to find some raspberries...I know there are a couple bushes of them around here, but there are much, much more of those nice poisonous red ones!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, the meat eater would need vegetation aswell, and he could eat it if the vegetarian could, however, he'll be much less hungry, as he's actually eating things that are, you know...filling.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If I was a player mod, and this was runescape, i would silence you. I am by no means a vegetarian (i have just eaten half a goose for gods sake) but you cannot seem to grasp is that the wild is not nesseserally evil, poisonous, deadly, dangerous, etc. etc. The majority of berries and fruit, arn'tpoisnous, but are in actual factperfectly fine, but they might taste a bit funny, but hey, if you can use the 'Nutrtion over taste' argument witrh us, we can use it with you :. And besides, you also don't seem to get exactly how hard it is to catch an animal. You don't just stick your hand out, say 'heeeere birdy birdy birdy...' and voila, a freshly plucked chicken lands in your outstreche palm. For heavens sake, this isn't flippin McDonalds, however much you want it to be. As the book Lord of the Flies illustrates, if you want to eat just meat, you ignore everything elzse, so you die quicker. I'm sure a sensible person (veggie or not) would eat a mixture of both meat, if they could find it, and vegetation. Just because something does not feaure in a Big Mac, doesn't mean it is not edible.

[Bludragon124]

I personally think eating meat is fine. Animals kill each other, what should stop us from doing the same?

[rushrock]

I like meat.

[Abyssalwhip]

I personally think eating meat is fine. Animals kill each other, what should stop us from doing the same?

Not ALL animals kill eachother... actually aside from fish a minority do and people shouldent eat more meat then is nessacery... small list

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

hamsters... (normally)

 

 

 

Squirrels

 

 

 

Birds

 

 

 

Domestic cats and dogs

 

 

 

small reptiles

 

 

 

Herbavoir dinosaurs

 

 

 

Giraffes

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i can go on and on -.-

[SanFranciscoGiants]

I love meat

[deloriagod]

If I was a player mod, and this was runescape, i would silence you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh how I wish I could just reach through this screen and smack you. This isn't Runescape and in these parts of the boards you'll find a lot of people that don't even play. So let's keep Runescape out of here. And I'd like to see you try to silence Tigra :P