I disagree with this entirely. Why do people with high combat levels have to be extremely intelligent and resourceful?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lol. I think that they should have a little intellegence to know where west Ardounge is (I mean, COME ON! Maybe in Ardounge, idiots?). But, you would think that higher combat = more time playing = more information about the game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But I disagree with that. What about people who don't like combat? Technically, if you can make this argument, you would also make the argument along the lines of, "That guy has a higher woodcutting level. Higher woodcutting level = more time playing Runescape = he knows more about Runescape than the other person, with a lower level." But that's not true at all. I'm sure the woodcutter knows a lot about woodcutting, but we can't be sure that he knows a lot about everything else. Someone who got to level 118 WITHOUT the use of PC could easily make this same mistake (about not knowing where Ardougne is). S/he obviously just spends all of his/her time training combat, just not necessarily in Ardougne itself, but other parts of Runescape.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I just don't like this whole concept that having a high combat level makes it socially unacceptable for you to have questions. By this stereotype, if you're a high level and don't know something about the game, you're an idiot. -.-

 

 

 

Before PC one had to experience Runescape, had to find the best ways to train, they had to go around the world. Someone who was 100+ combat before always knew where Ardy was (unless of course they just got members at 100 combat :o). Nowadays Runescape is off a little dock on some island for these people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Though, like others have said, it sounds like this kid "Ebay'd" this for Xmas. Even a 118 who lived at PC would have at least heard of west Ardy and know about it how to get there. It's hard to get 118 without some kind of group of people who have experienced Runescape in it's entirety. Contact with experienced players= understanding of most areas, even if they havn't been there.

Rebdragon - I understand what you're saying, but I guess my real question is why this applies to combat. What about the other skills in the game?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why don't we have "Gilded Altar Products" or "Ancient Magic Products" (rich people who barraged to 99 for example, instead of doing it the "hard way" back in Classic), or "Cook X Products."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe it's because Runescape appears to be somewhat centered around combat (since that's the level that's shown to the public), but I still don't think it's a proper way to classify people.

Everything you say is valid, but when the 118 says that he has obly been in the Draynor-Sarium area is very interseting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The only real idiots are the ones who don't know what thibngs are/where they are. For example, someone joins members at 50 combat. They have a friend who tells them about PC, and they go there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lv 50: Wow this is really good way to train and get money!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Friend: Yea. Just keep doing it and you'll be a high lvl like me!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lv 50: Ok.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That lv 50 does pc untill he is a mid lv, lets say 105. He has been pcing all the time, doing nothing but pc. This 105 then knows very little about anything eles. He/she also has a very low skill total, other then combat skills.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Idiots can also mean somthing eles. If there is a 120 pc product "trying" to pk in low lv wild (yes, they do try that), and they happen to "own you", havew they really owned you? You can seemingly afford better armour or items, probaly make somthing that he can't, because you raise other skills/do quests..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The pc product idiots are the ones who say to you one day "i own u noob" then the next weel, they are your combat tenfold. Interesting how someone can get any two melee levels to 99 before getting hp to 99. It is unnatural..

Nice arguements

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'll give a prize of 5k who makes the longest post in this thread, so.. Post away!

I am proud to say I pced my way to 99 str and attack, and I will be getting my slayer to 85 along with 99 defence. While you "non-pc products" attacked monsters "RSC" style if you will, I did it about 2 or even 3 times faster at pc. So in the end, we will have the same stats, excluding the few who slayered past 85, and I will have had it done a few months faster.

 

 

 

On another note, for the record: I would say I have much more than the basic knowledge on Runescape, I would say I have a decent amount of money, and I did play RSC.

I'm one of those weird people who don't care how long something took as long as I feel that it is a true acheivement. I would not find getting a 99 without any risk at all a true acheivement, though I'm sure others would consider it to be. I would not consider a skill I bought my way through to be a true acheivement, but others do. Anyways, that's a side topic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I will admit that these so-called "Pest Control Products" are using the udpate to their advantage. However, I seriously doubt that very many of them think of it in the terms you've presented, Trip, that they will then have more time to do something else. From the number of them that have made it obvious that they PCed their way to a high level, it would appear that their mindset is "Everyone will see my combat level and automatically think I own them", or some variation on that idea. People who are using it for the purposeful reason of having extra time to do other things are the ones who are more likely to have knowledge of RuneScape in general, and would probably know something as simple as the location of West Ardougne. The ones with the mindset I described are the ones who are generally classed as "idiots" in topics such as this. So, while there are certainly people making use of the update in a way that betters them, there are far too many who are using it simply to gain a status they didn't properly build up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think the quote in my signiature sums up your arguements though, Trip... and mine, in a sense.

SaidinWoT - I agree with what you say, that some people do PC just so they can look "cool" or whatever. I know that there are many people who think that levels/expensive items will give them automatic respect from other players.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What I disagree with is that "PC Products" should be classified in this way. I think we have to accept that some people will will get high levels through PC for the sole purpose of being admired/"respected," while others do it so they can have more time for other things.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I just felt like the author of this thread that believed all "PC Products" lacked intelligence.

Disclaimer: This post was written by a person who needs sleep.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I didn't mean that "PC Products" should all be classified as the ones who wish to be respected for high levels, simply that the stereotype that has been applied to the "PC Product" has been directly caused by these people. I don't call people "PC Products"; when I encounter a high level who is quite clearly immature and/or unintelligent, I simply ignore them. I do not dislike PC for giving us these players, simply the idea of the game, however old-fashioned that may be :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But yes, the author was basing his post on the stereotype, which, as in the case of most stereotypes, does not fit many who belong to the group to which it applies.

I disagree with this entirely. Why do people with high combat levels have to be extremely intelligent and resourceful? Even before PC there were plenty of higher levels who didn't know much about Runescape, or used chat speak, and so on. I don't really see where the connection is between combat and intelligence. Quite honestly, even before PC, the only thing combat really requires is the ability to click. After that, nothing really matters.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I find it very stereotypical to say that PC products are idiots. There are some who are not very resourceful and/or intelligent, and there are some who are. And vice versa as well (with non PC-products).

 

 

 

But PC gave those level 60's the ability to level very fast without gaining any maturity or intelligence along the way. While many PC-products are decent and smart, those would have been the decent and smart level 60's. While your point is valid, you cannot deny that there is a connection between the advent of PC, and the growing number of high leveled noobs.

 

 

 

EDIT: Personally, I prefer training at the jellies to Pest Control. I only play occasionally for fun.

I seriously doubt he believed all "PC Products" lacked intelligence. I think he posted this topic to express his feelings that in his opinion lots of "PC Products" lack intelligence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No i don't share the same opinion as the author of this topic i think there may be some cases like he described. I think the majority of pcers pc so they can get levels fast so they can enjoy other things in rs and feel accomplishment for getting to 99 in a skill or whatever their goal was at the time.

Although PC has taken it to a new extreme, there were always 'nooby' high levels. This has been either the result of members focusing on only combat for a very long time, or high leveled F2Pers coming into members.

Rebdragon - I understand what you're saying, but I guess my real question is why this applies to combat. What about the other skills in the game?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why don't we have "Gilded Altar Products" or "Ancient Magic Products" (rich people who barraged to 99 for example, instead of doing it the "hard way" back in Classic), or "Cook X Products."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe it's because Runescape appears to be somewhat centered around combat (since that's the level that's shown to the public), but I still don't think it's a proper way to classify people.

 

 

 

Disclaimer: Okay, I just left to play a game of Ghost Recon after clicking the Submit button, and had my response to this post completely deleted when I returned. No, it wasn't a short one -.- . So if I seem ticked, or if thoughts seem incoherent, blame it on my hate of my internet connection >_>. I'm also just going to make my post in note form, so I get everything without going insane trying to reitarate it >_<.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Response to "Ancient Magick Products": I don't think I know a soul alive who would Barrage to 99 Mage- at 2.5k a pop, and no insane level of speed (nor a clear cut way to get 9 easy targets situated to hit them constantly for hours), it's completely unorthodox. PC pays .5gp per exp point (Barrage is like 15 gp per exp point cost, depending on average hit) and most likely gains exp at the same speed, if not faster. Where did you hear about "Ancient Magick" products using Barrage for 99 Mage?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Response to "'Gilded Altar' Products?": Few people had 99 Prayer before the Gilded Altar from ectoing and burying, so when it came out nearly everyone used it. And those who had 99 were already rich before and desiring to gain respect through being in the top 10 of Prayer (or even #1) so most kept on going and using the Gilded Altar. Therefore, it'd be hard for people to use the term "Gilder Altar products", as most would be hypocrites. I'm sure plenty of people would use it, but so few that the name wouldn't go very far.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for "Cook X" products, no name of hate really developed against the players. In fact, the real consequence of Cook X was complete disrespect by most players for the skill of cooking- it became just as bad as Fletching, making it unofficially a "worthless 99". Hate wasn't directed toward the players in this case, rather it was later driven towards the skill itself. With the disrespect redirected at the skill of Cooking the players got off the hook.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Moving on, you hit the nail on the head with your ending statement. What is the first thing you see when you look at someone? Their Herblore level? Their Cooking level? Magic, Thieving, Crafting? No, you see their combat level. For that reason combat levels have become a huge target, as it's much easier to see relations of higher and lower Combat level in game instead of having to look up everyone's Herblore level that you pass. Like in the case of the author, 118 combat was the first thing he noticed when he realized the players sheer stupidity, not his Mining level. With the advent of the incredibly easy PC, and more and more stupid, immature 110+'s that can be easily recognized in a crowd (as well as sudden rise in more mature 110+'s of course), the term "PC product" gained fame.

maybe if pc was different.....everyoen rushes out of the boat to find a single yew, person who chops the most gets 10xcombat lvl in coins and xp towards combat =P all them pc products would have 99 wc :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yea i agree some of these pc products are really stoopid and talk lyke dis n their all lyke yo homie u comin 2 da movies?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I frgt 2 ask homie u comin 2 da movies? :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Whats so bad about pc? It is awesome exp =\

What I've yet to see in these replies are a couple of things. The first is f2p ---> p2p. I know when I first became a member I didn't know Ardounge from the Wildy, yet I had played Runescape for 4 years up to that point. The 700 skill total might support this case a little bit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The second is, what is this "intelligence" everyone is talking about? It doesn't say anywhere that the amount of knowledge someone has ingame has to be varied. I'm willing to bet this guy knows PC like the back of his hand. He doesn't need to know anything else if that's where he has the most fun. I know I'm not willing to train some skills because they lack behind some others. Where's the point in that? Ever think that this guy doesn't find the other aspects of the game fun? Doesn't look like you did and calling him an idiot because he hasn't experience other aspects of a game is pathetic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This knowledge thing is one of my pet peeves from the TIF community. The typical case is people praise low level skillers, yet if someone is a high combat with a low skill total they get generally ignored. The thing people don't relize (Or don't immediately recognize) is that Runescape has so many players because it doesn't cater to one specific person. People can skill, pk, combat train, or just simply socialize. Why those different people get treated differently is kind of dumb.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The last bit ties into this thread because it's kind of pointing out how people neglect certain aspects of the game and the people playing it.

I disagree with this entirely. Why do people with high combat levels have to be extremely intelligent and resourceful? Even before PC there were plenty of higher levels who didn't know much about Runescape, or used chat speak, and so on. I don't really see where the connection is between combat and intelligence. Quite honestly, even before PC, the only thing combat really requires is the ability to click. After that, nothing really matters.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I find it very stereotypical to say that PC products are idiots. There are some who are not very resourceful and/or intelligent, and there are some who are. And vice versa as well (with non PC-products).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

^^+1 with what he said^^

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i think jagex ruined the whole "Awe" in seeing a level 110+ nowadays its quite lame. its easy to get to that level through pc

to be honest i dont like pest control either im level 102 and have played for 1 and a half year and somone whos been playing for only a year is nearley 120. Before pest control i trained on things like rock crabs and experiments and stuff when i was lvl 77 i spended 2 months yes 2 months getting 70 in defence 70 in attack and 70 in strenght. Now a noob that used pest control can get those lvls under 1 month nearley all my combat experience comes from real monsters and not pc

Who cares?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pest Control is there for a reason.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm going to call everyone who plays Cwars a ''C wars pure'' because he/she has gold armour.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WHO CARES IF HE DOESN'T QUEST. WHO REALLY CARES?

The one who started the thread cares. :roll:

 

 

 

And PC is just a quicker way to level as a pure, good imho. :)

i have done pc but only around max 200-300 times you can even see it on my attack str and defense stats.... mostly i use my time at barrows,or hard monster to kill for combat lvls. but barrows is what i do most of all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

off topic:i hate pures that ruins wildy.

What's annoying about Pest Control, is you need absolutely no good armour, nor food to level up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not to mention it's also THE fastest exp in the game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pretty self-explanitory why some people don't like it.

I .. unfortunalty, have to agree.

 

 

 

I do not like PC myself. It find it boring. My best argument being experience, as I have tried it myself. Got 100 points once which was .. enough for me. Got 3 ranged levels which I am really happy with, as I dislike it. But furthermore I do not like PC. Pures and others using it to get high combat in less then no time. What happend to really killing monsters? I went to the KBD solo at first. I had a truelly magnificent time, although I got owned and only got to kill the big guy 1 time. Way more fun then hours at PC.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you say, you do it over and over.. you do this at other skills aswell. The difference in my opinion is variation and game knowledge as often said above.

Ok hmmm pc=pest control ok wtf is that? :wall: :XD:

I'm lvl 118 too and I do PC kinda much. I've been playing since 2001 and I know kinda lot about the game, don't say that every PC'er is an idiot.

I don't really get why people dislike PC. It offers a faster way to train your combat levels, which is awesome in my eyes. If Jagex would put something in the game to make a skill like Agility easier, you would definately use it, wouldn't you?

So you'd be perfectly fine with a Level 115 PC product who has a Quest cape?