fighter torso: further degrading player killing

[DanMalak11]

To fix this all that Jagex needs to do is make Fire Cape's and Fighter Torso's protect over Whip's, then problem solved.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course they are not going to do that so that is why I stick to Mage Bank pking. :)

[X_T_H_X]

sykoknight has a great point there. I think that would be the ultimate solution. You can get a fire cape... you just can't wear it until you defeat the fight caves.

[paulhartman]

I think I am going to cry. My, after you attack and kill someone in the wild, you canÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t loot his stuff. Is life unfair or what? You should be able to steal from people any time and at any amount you want. When bandits are not treated any better than this, it makes you ashamed of the whole human race.

[Peronix]

Ummm... I realy doubt this will affect player killing in any way. For starters the way this is set up, it would take two days or more to replace, one long day tops with a really good team. All of the other strength bonus melee items can be gotten back with little effort or can be bought, but this takes an outstanding ammount of effort to replace. Though since untradable it is possible that you could run back and pick it up... but really, a +4 strength bonus is quite a small gain for the sacrifice of the armor's defensive stats. All around, it is like an adamant plate. (except in one stat where it is similar to a rune platebody). So even if you were able to hit slightly harder, your opponent would be hitting more often.

[jessy87]

 

:evil: You copied someones post which is uncool

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

: Also I say pking was ruined when pures came along :uhh: Dont hurt me (note: I havent pked since umm...wow 1 and a half years ago) :XD:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

pures have been around since the rune 2h was made...thanks

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and that was MY post...i am veniv1div1ci

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First of all, this should probably go in rants. Second of all, you do realize that 375 points in each role of Barbarian Assault is no small feat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

neither is getting a fire cape, but people still player kill in that

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i believe pures were in runescape long before rune2h

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It takes longer to get a fighter torso than it does to get a fire cape. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

not when 98% of pkers PAY others to get them for them. there are websites dedicated solely to that

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ever wonder why fire capes wern't very common even months after their release? b/c no1 sold them then...or it wasn't as popular

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

now if someone can't do it, they pay someone 4-10M to do it for them

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

fighter torso is untradeable

[Freshwacka]

 

It takes longer to get a fighter torso than it does to get a fire cape. :roll:

 

 

 

spoken like a true noob who's never entered the wilderness.

 

 

 

go back to skilling 18 hours a day.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What does getting a fire cape have to do with entering the wilderness? You're just making yourself look bad here.

[meb]

It takes longer to get a fighter torso than it does to get a fire cape. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fighter torseo: Requires lvl 70 combat if you're not an attacker and a day or 2 of playing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fire cape: 70+ ranging and defence/ 80+ magic and millions on runes. 50+ prayer, millions on pots and bows. Add that to the failed attempts, 3-4 for the average player, and you'll see why the fire cape is harder to get than a fighter torso.

[Wachtwoord]

 

 

It takes longer to get a fighter torso than it does to get a fire cape. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

not when 98% of pkers PAY others to get them for them. there are websites dedicated solely to that

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ever wonder why fire capes wern't very common even months after their release? b/c no1 sold them then...or it wasn't as popular

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

now if someone can't do it, they pay someone 4-10M to do it for them

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

fighter torso is untradeable

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You obviously totally didn't get it. He says people paying websites who have workers to get a fire cape for them! The same can be done with the torso. You can illegaly pay someone to get a fighter torso on youre account.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Topic: I love the tradeble-but-only-wearable-after-doing-thing-X idea. That is just the best solution of it.

[Ghost-Knigth]

Dont PK?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Very constructive post I must say. :XD:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'll go with NukeMarine on this one. Make them alchable for other players then - in a note form..

[Zmo07]

I got the torso last night after 8 hours of work with a great team. It i sworth the +4 str bonus for training but it isn't tradable, lower stab and crash def and very annyoing to get back if you lose it.

[Satenza]

I thought this new plate was lootable. I also know what you're talking about. If you add heraldic sheilds and helms to the mix you're even futher screwed if you're a pker.

[nebnotsew]

Fighter Helm

 

 

 

str ammy

 

 

 

fighter plate

 

 

 

cwars legs / proseltye

 

 

 

climbing boots

 

 

 

rune defender

 

 

 

firecape

 

 

 

D scim (protected)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nice loot there.

[Mayjest]

I shall be honest and say that I few PKing with distain. I do not consider it a 'decent' way to make money. I do not believe that anyone should profit from anothers death. But if that is what floats your boat, and Runescape offers it, then I will allow it, and indeed, even actively support it. I'll just never go into the wilderness if I can avoid it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I also agree that these new, untradable items are quite unfair upon the PKer. In the Pker's viewpoint, it is almost as if the person they killed isn't allowing them their items purely out of spite. Especially if both players (including the one who died) are PKers. The PKer has gone to sometimes great lengths, taken considerable risks to get that successful kill, and rightly, they should be rewarded. I support the idea that these items should be tradeable, but useless or unable to wield without the correct requirements, similar to most of the Dragon weapons.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Fire cape is easy to set the requirement - you must have survived the fight pits. You can buy the cape, have it sitting in your bank, but you can't show it off without killing the toughest monster in the game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Skill capes - again, you can buy them from players or the skill master if you must, but they'll be useless without that 99.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The fighter plate is slightly more difficult. Perhaps set it to levels within BA? Level 4 attacker and 2 defender? Having not played the game, I am unsure if this is plausable, but could it work?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is certainly a better suggestion than allowing anyone to wield them just because they PKed/bought them. Owning is one thing, you could pay through the nose and have it in your bank if you must, showing how much money you have (in a similar way to the unwieldable rares, eggs, crackers, etc), but gaining the prestige of a 99 in a dishonest way? Showing off your skill at teamwork despite having never help another Scaper in your life? That should not be allowed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In short: Pkers should still be able to profit from their Pks, but it must be balanced with not allowing the 'prestige' of these items to be lessened.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mayjest

[berbatovsky]

A small point: (This is not an attack on player killers) {well not really} Player killers only attack those weaker than them. I HAVE NEVER BEEN ATTACKED BY ANYONE LESS THAN 10 LVL'S HIGHER THAN ME. Your point is that Jagex are ruining player killing by introducing items that are good for fighting but are non-tradeable . My counter-thrust to this is that since PKer's only ever attack weaker players this is in fact just redressing an unbalanced situation, i.e:your inherent advantage in combat/mage or range lvls in exchange for less loot. The moment players in the wilderness are limited to attacking players of their lvl or higher regardless of wilderness level then ill agree with your complaint (please note i do not want this to happen but it is the only situation you in which you will be right to complain).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Basically to sum up: player killers are Wolves hunting for weak prey. This is the way Jagex designed the wilderness, as time has gone on Jagex has introduced more and more reasons for non- PKer's to go into the wildy, Abyss, Treasure Trails etc... and thusly overtime to balance this increased amount of prey for PKer's to feast on new equipment has been introduced which cannot be looted. THIS IS WHAT WE CALL BALANCE.

[Sirob1414]

I agree with the abve post minus capes.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You should not be able to pick up the other person's firecape imo, its just kinda to big of an achievment. And 99 capes, why should they be purchisable?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

edit: 2 posts above

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

edit 2: To post above..... your first line of not being an attck on pkers is true becaus its rather obcious you are not one. For one thing in edgeville, the place where most pkers fight you cant attack people even 5 levels lower. And to keep a person from running within first seconds of fight you usually always ask for a fight, if a person doesnt think they have a chance they decline...... Magebank is to rward higher levels imo and even then you arent looking for poeple just 10 levels lower. Wolves hutning for prey?? You serious? There is no other thing in the game that makes me shake. It just about the only thing where you have to pay attenttion and with a little bit of bad luck, lack of attention, or lack of skill you can lose your stuff. Pking is the only part of the game with a "rush" involved..... and i garantee ( i butchered that word >.<) that most people pk for fun with a want for reward, than huting fo weak players to kill....

[miracleman58]

kk this could be true ... ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm :ohnoes:

[berbatovsky]

^^

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No im not a pker. I have seen these 'arranged' fights and they make me laugh a lvl 104 vs a lvl 104 in lvl 3 wildy and after 20 minutes of prayer and food one runs..great. Also about the mage arena bank. i refer to my original post but multiply it by 10 times. The inbalance is much starker ancient mages 30 combat lvls higher can attack you (a mere lvl 80)legitimately the moment you step out the door. Fine thats the way the game was designed i dont complain so equally the thread starter has not right to complain about the unfairness of not getting more stuff. To use an animal metaphor its like a lioness complaining about a zebra running away too fast.

[Golvellius]

Wilderness is dead.

 

 

 

Castle wars is always full.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Possible reasons:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You loose your stuff.

 

 

 

Clans ruined it, as your guaranteed to run into 50 ppl if you solo.

 

 

 

Prayer is out of style, so pjing is effective.

 

 

 

1 iteming is funner. :thumbsup:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

P.S. Account sharing is illegal. Share the website with Jagex, unless your of course one of those who pay for people to get your cape back...

[Sirob1414]

^^

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No im not a pker. I have seen these 'arranged' fights and they make me laugh a lvl 104 vs a lvl 104 in lvl 3 wildy and after 20 minutes of prayer and food one runs..great. Also about the mage arena bank. i refer to my original post but multiply it by 10 times. The inbalance is much starker ancient mages 30 combat lvls higher can attack you (a mere lvl 80)legitimately the moment you step out the door. Fine thats the way the game was designed i dont complain so equally the thread starter has not right to complain about the unfairness of not getting more stuff. To use an animal metaphor its like a lioness complaining about a zebra running away too fast.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yep, you sure have seen these arranged fights.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Apparently you havent seen the ones that end in 28-30 kos or a high 30 or even 40 ko. Sure people run, thats just what makes it require more skill, saving your specials for the right time ad not safing will give you an advantage. When I go to edge I look for someone about my level and hope I come out above, dont act like you know what is going on in all thiose "wolves'" heads.

[muggiwhplar]

Hey Ovu

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd post on the topic if my membership wasn't expired atm

[muggiwhplar]

Basically to sum up: player killers are Wolves hunting for weak prey. This is the way Jagex designed the wilderness, as time has gone on Jagex has introduced more and more reasons for non- PKer's to go into the wildy, Abyss, Treasure Trails etc... and thusly overtime to balance this increased amount of prey for PKer's to feast on new equipment has been introduced which cannot be looted. THIS IS WHAT WE CALL BALANCE.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why would a non-PK'er wear a fighter torso?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's dumb how all these better pieces of equipment have been introduced, encouraging PK'ing with untradable items. It'd be nice, like someone above said before, if the untradables were tradable but unweildable without a requirement. People could "buy back" the items you PK'd from them and you'd actually get something out of it.

[DarkDude]

Simple Solution.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Make the items disappear when they touch the ground like RFD gloves. To get the Fire cape back you have to pay 100k Tokkul. Fighter Torso = 200 of each point + queen (Have to have got one first anyway)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Defenders would be gotten same way as now same as Achievement capes (Pay 99k)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This would greatly reduce the amount of people that pked with them. 100k tokkul is what? 1.25M?

[Candymann16]

First of all, this should probably go in rants. Second of all, you do realize that 375 points in each role of Barbarian Assault is no small feat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

wrong, if you have a competent team you could easily get 2 a day

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

on-topic: i dont pk but i agree with you that when someone dies and you dont get much in the pile it would take away the point of it

[aznmidget448]

 

Basically to sum up: player killers are Wolves hunting for weak prey. This is the way Jagex designed the wilderness, as time has gone on Jagex has introduced more and more reasons for non- PKer's to go into the wildy, Abyss, Treasure Trails etc... and thusly overtime to balance this increased amount of prey for PKer's to feast on new equipment has been introduced which cannot be looted. THIS IS WHAT WE CALL BALANCE.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why would a non-PK'er wear a fighter torso?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's dumb how all these better pieces of equipment have been introduced, encouraging PK'ing with untradable items. It'd be nice, like someone above said before, if the untradables were tradable but unweildable without a requirement. People could "buy back" the items you PK'd from them and you'd actually get something out of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Because it gives a strength bonus :-k That's the only reason someone would wear it #-o

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've quit pking (since I've had rather... evil experiences in the wildy) so it really doesn't affect me... and same with a lot of other people too.

[redserpent4]

hullo ovulater. Am i right in thinking you were donahue65 aswell?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway i posted on the rs forums and i agree here aswell, good luck with it though; i dont think jagex care much for pkers. Thats why the wildy is so small and so easy to lose nothing in.