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[maka ragn0s]

such a waste of money

[NukeMarine]

maka ragn0s, on 12 June 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:

such a waste of money

Ragnos, I have a few quesions for you and to anyone else that only looks at the dollar amount in all this:

1. How much is an hour of your time in real life worth in a dollar amount?
2. How many hours of your time in real life have you spent on your character?
3. What is the product of 1 and 2 in US dollars?
4. Do you consider you've wasted that much potential money on your fantasy character?

[gspbeetle]

^ The problem is, even you want to work as much as you can, you cant find an employer that would have enough work/ bold enough to ignore labour laws to hire you to do so.
Its called under-employment (or at least, part of it).

BlazeTheMovieFan, on 12 June 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

I have something to say. Does anyone else find it strange that you can now use real life money to buy experience point?

You don't always get lamps, but they are pretty common. So by using real life money to buy spins, you can buy experience points as well.

I know Jagex is denying that buying spins with real money counts as real world trading, but that's exactly what I see it as.

A china site would be alot cheaper, given the rate now, but doing in Jagex's way removes the risk of getting banned.
If you have spare money and want to spend it on RS, the SoF is certainly the way to go.
Its just that they are marketing it too aggressively that is not needed and constantly grabs unwanted attention.

Anyways, thanks for the $200 worth of data.

[OrTradeMe]

NukeMarine, on 12 June 2012 - 02:17 AM, said:

4. Do you consider you've wasted that much potential money on your fantasy character?

We've gone over this question countless times on TIF. The overwhelming response is no. Other than a few people who play RS full-time, Runescape is pretty much solely a 'time filler' that people play when they're bored or have nothing else to do. While working IRL for minimum wage would be a lot more productive, there aren't many jobs that you can do in the times that a lot of people play RS (ie: a little before school, during breaks, late night, etc).

[stonewall337]

OrTradeMe, on 12 June 2012 - 02:24 AM, said:

NukeMarine, on 12 June 2012 - 02:17 AM, said:

4. Do you consider you've wasted that much potential money on your fantasy character?

We've gone over this question countless times on TIF. The overwhelming response is no. Other than a few people who play RS full-time, Runescape is pretty much solely a 'time filler' that people play when they're bored or have nothing else to do. While working IRL for minimum wage would be a lot more productive, there aren't many jobs that you can do in the times that a lot of people play RS (ie: a little before school, during breaks, late night, etc).

Theoretically. But that doesn't mean the TIME spent couldn't have been used to gain skills that would make you more marketable in the future, thus increasing potential money from an employer. The "potential" money doesn't have to be earned at the same time as the time already spent on RS. For example, learn Arabic, and you become a lot more marketable to intelligence agencies in the U.S. Etc etc. There is still a corollary.

[gspbeetle]

stonewall337, on 12 June 2012 - 02:32 AM, said:

OrTradeMe, on 12 June 2012 - 02:24 AM, said:

NukeMarine, on 12 June 2012 - 02:17 AM, said:

4. Do you consider you've wasted that much potential money on your fantasy character?

We've gone over this question countless times on TIF. The overwhelming response is no. Other than a few people who play RS full-time, Runescape is pretty much solely a 'time filler' that people play when they're bored or have nothing else to do. While working IRL for minimum wage would be a lot more productive, there aren't many jobs that you can do in the times that a lot of people play RS (ie: a little before school, during breaks, late night, etc).

Theoretically. But that doesn't mean the TIME spent couldn't have been used to gain skills that would make you more marketable in the future, thus increasing potential money from an employer. The "potential" money doesn't have to be earned at the same time as the time already spent on RS. For example, learn Arabic, and you become a lot more marketable to intelligence agencies in the U.S. Etc etc. There is still a corollary.

Yes, but that is the fundamental flaw of the opportunity cost of idle labour.
I dont even know why they still put that on textbooks, so you can find it wrong afterwards.
Besides, even if you can find work, the wage rate would not be the same as your day rate.

[NukeMarine]

OrTradeMe, on 12 June 2012 - 02:24 AM, said:

NukeMarine, on 12 June 2012 - 02:17 AM, said:

4. Do you consider you've wasted that much potential money on your fantasy character?

We've gone over this question countless times on TIF. The overwhelming response is no. Other than a few people who play RS full-time, Runescape is pretty much solely a 'time filler' that people play when they're bored or have nothing else to do. While working IRL for minimum wage would be a lot more productive, there aren't many jobs that you can do in the times that a lot of people play RS (ie: a little before school, during breaks, late night, etc).

Number four means nothing if you don't provide numbers one through three to put it in perspective. I would don't agree with the 'time filler' nor with the nothing to do. I don't play RS when I'm bored, I play RS because it's fun. I'm limited by how much I can play RS by other commitments in my life. It's not arrogant to expect that of other people. They do have other things they could do, but they're choosing RS for whatever reasons.

Now, why did I ask for a dollar amount? Because value of time can be vague. Some don't think it's worth much while others strongly protect their time. With a dollar value, you can put counter arguments on how people spend their time as much as people have posted about how I and others spend money. Have I wasted the thousands of hours I spent on exercise or studying because I didn't earn money during that time? I'd say no as that time was still invested in something that is showing returns even today. I don't consider the thousands of hours spent on RS to be a complete waste as for the most part it's provided cheap entertainment in addition to random things that actually helped how I approached my career (little tip for success, use everything you learn even in games to your advantage).

[gspbeetle]

NukeMarine, on 12 June 2012 - 02:43 AM, said:

OrTradeMe, on 12 June 2012 - 02:24 AM, said:

NukeMarine, on 12 June 2012 - 02:17 AM, said:

4. Do you consider you've wasted that much potential money on your fantasy character?

We've gone over this question countless times on TIF. The overwhelming response is no. Other than a few people who play RS full-time, Runescape is pretty much solely a 'time filler' that people play when they're bored or have nothing else to do. While working IRL for minimum wage would be a lot more productive, there aren't many jobs that you can do in the times that a lot of people play RS (ie: a little before school, during breaks, late night, etc).

Number four means nothing if you don't provide numbers one through three to put it in perspective. I would don't agree with the 'time filler' nor with the nothing to do. I don't play RS when I'm bored, I play RS because it's fun. I'm limited by how much I can play RS by other commitments in my life. It's not arrogant to expect that of other people. They do have other things they could do, but they're choosing RS for whatever reasons.

Now, why did I ask for a dollar amount? Because value of time can be vague. Some don't think it's worth much while others strongly protect their time. With a dollar value, you can put counter arguments on how people spend their time as much as people have posted about how I and others spend money. Have I wasted the thousands of hours I spent on exercise or studying because I didn't earn money during that time? I'd say no as that time was still invested in something that is showing returns even today. I don't consider the thousands of hours spent on RS to be a complete waste as for the most part it's provided cheap entertainment in addition to random things that actually helped how I approached my career (little tip for success, use everything you learn even in games to your advantage).

Studying (or education in general) and exercise increase your value of labour power, which may (or maynot) increase your future output, so thats technically not a waste.
Playing video game however doesnt seem to do the same, so we can only say it is consumer spending.
Just saying, people can use that argument on almost every luxury, since there is always a more economic alternative. Being worth it has nothing to do with the dollar value.

[Piu]

You can compare his results to this guy's here. QFC: 15-16-815-63778116

[Donnie]

stonewall337, on 11 June 2012 - 06:30 PM, said:

Mercifull, on 11 June 2012 - 12:50 PM, said:

You wasted $200 for nothing. Loads of other people have posted their spin logs and you could add it all up together and average out to detemine the approx percentage rates for spins without having to fork out money and do it yourself.

Woot another person who doesn't understand disposable income.

True OP was able and willing to have spent it on runescape, but I do understand the sickened feeling from the bystanders witnessing raw waste research

[Urza285]

What a stupid argument.

You were not the one who granted this person the ability to live, breath and exist. Everyone is entitled to live their life how ever they wish within reasonable moral boundaries. Should someone squander their earnings that is their life to life, full of their own lessons to learn. If you feel the need to state that someone wasted $200 on SoF spins then maybe you aught to consider this well kept remark: one mans trash is another mans treasure.

[NukeMarine]

Piu, on 12 June 2012 - 04:08 AM, said:

You can compare his results to this guy's here. QFC: 15-16-815-63778116

The guy lacked a few things in his data collection

1. Didn't track number of uncommon, common, rare and very rare spins
2. Didn't say how many doubles he got (increases number of spins for data)
3. Didn't track number of actual lamps (listing XP which is irrelevant as higher levels get higher XP)
4. Counted played traded value of his masks into his data (the mask is a 1 week event, after that it's pointless data)
5. He could have posted end data on how much of each items he got (not essential, but useful for completionist sake).

Seemed odd that he didn't get or mention getting the royal outfits. It's possible he's done this before and cleared out those slots creating a higher total for his 200k gp and fish mask hits. Could be further evidence that you can't trust anything beyond common and uncommon chances. Anyway, his lackluster data is similar to what others have gathered. Gives you a general idea, but nothing you can use to make a chart others can reference.

That entire thread was just a flame fest though. No useful dialogue at all.

[Golvellius]

Jagex was advertising bumping up the gold amounts and drop rate of rares.
You should have waited until then.
Right now, it's boring, slow, and gold amounts are poor.

[Ruinous Edge]

Golvellius, on 12 June 2012 - 01:12 PM, said:

Jagex was advertising bumping up the gold amounts and drop rate of rares.
You should have waited until then.
Right now, it's boring, slow, and gold amounts are poor.

Pretty sure it's already happened the same week QBD got released.. ^^

[Alg]

Daddy_Ash, on 12 June 2012 - 02:44 PM, said:

Golvellius, on 12 June 2012 - 01:12 PM, said:

Jagex was advertising bumping up the gold amounts and drop rate of rares.
You should have waited until then.
Right now, it's boring, slow, and gold amounts are poor.

Pretty sure it's already happened the same week QBD got released.. ^^

Yep. That's why he got any rare drops at all and an amount of gold that wasn't hilariously low.

[NukeMarine]

Golvellius, on 12 June 2012 - 01:12 PM, said:

Jagex was advertising bumping up the gold amounts and drop rate of rares.
You should have waited until then.
Right now, it's boring, slow, and gold amounts are poor.

Again, if you're doing SoF for the gp or the rare/very rare items then you're going to have a bad time. I haven't done the math, but even if you did this for the XP on a slow skill like agility at 90+, you're still paying a $1 per 10k xp. It's just insanely expensive. It's just something for people with too much money and too little patience.

Well, and maybe those with OCD that have to have every outfit in the game.

[Rick James]

NukeMarine, on 12 June 2012 - 11:15 PM, said:

I haven't done the math, but even if you did this for the XP on a slow skill like agility at 90+, you're still paying a $1 per 10k xp. It's just insanely expensive. It's just something for people with too much money and too little patience.

Here, let me do the math. $7 of spins gets you 1 hour worth of agility xp. You can earn enough flipping burgers for SOF to be faster than real agility.

[Troacctid]

Rick James, on 12 June 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:

NukeMarine, on 12 June 2012 - 11:15 PM, said:

I haven't done the math, but even if you did this for the XP on a slow skill like agility at 90+, you're still paying a $1 per 10k xp. It's just insanely expensive. It's just something for people with too much money and too little patience.

Here, let me do the math. $7 of spins gets you 1 hour worth of agility xp. You can earn enough flipping burgers for SOF to be faster than real agility.

But only if you're already 90+ agility and the xp no longer has any value? I'll pass.

[sk8_tolivv]

I bought 450 spins for fun/experiment 5 or 6 days ago, got...
- 980k summ exp from lamps(only 1 assigned lamp) @ ~94 summoning
- 8 fish masks
- 4 pieces of each of the new clothing sets (just 1 more piece to complete each) <- only 'rare' rewards i got

Not sure how much money I got from coins and items, I remember getting about 3 500k prizes.
Also not sure about how much random exp I got from the other assigned lamps, didn't keep track.