Will H

Most don't know this is happening because there is a media black out. They're probably unknowingly eating oil fish and shrimp and etc etc too A media black out? It's only because nothing has changed. News thrives on change, things out of the ordinary, dramatic turns of events. Right now, like it or not, the oil in the Gulf of Mexico is status quo, much like violence in Afghanistan or poverty in Haiti. The best you'll probably get are follow-up programs a year later. They're still terrible things that should be stopped, but they're not changing. I also find it painfully ironic that Americans can be outraged about another country's state of healthcare. Is this whole thing meant to be sarcastic? Because it isn't particularly funny.

That's strange because I remember I read a quote from them saying that we could be allowed to trade to our siblings, friends and even our other accounts. I'll try to find the quote. That's the only rule on the matter. You can trade with people you know in real life to your heart's content, but you can't trade or have any kind of interaction between two of your own accounts.

Alright, let's just stop this. There is no real reason why the vote would be rigged. We all know it's a pretty reasonable representation of what the average RS player thinks on the issue, and there is no point in Jagex rigging a vote that they know will give an overwhelming 'yes' result anyway. There's no motive for going against what the majority of the players want either. End of story.

In all of my years playing this game, I still never got my head around junk. Are they worthless to players or not? Anyway, if a 24 hour lend of dclaws is worth 1m, than that's what they'll go for. Junk was never really "Junk", rather they were overpriced items. Back before the GE Adamant P++ arrows were often sold just above the price of normal Addy arrows. Due to the GE limits, the Addy P++ arrows cannot go lower than ((5 Addy arrow + Weapon Poison)/5). Since the P++ arrows were stuck at a value higher than anyone would ever *want* them at, they became "junk". Nobody wanted to buy them at that price, and nobody wanted to sell them at that price, but GE limits said they had to. So junk items were not always "worthless", simply "overpriced". Even items like needles are worth something at the right price. Think of needles being 1 gp each in the shop, but cannot be lower than 100 gp each in the GE. That is what "junk" is, or this case was. Now item lending will simply be GP / hr. Like you said, instead of being 100k junk per hour, its just 100k cash per hour. The only difference is more people will lend now, so lending prices will be lower due to more competition. Ah, thank you very much. Another mystery solved. :) It doesn't really help that 'Junk' literally means 'worthless item'... but whatever, it will only be found in the history books soon.

In all of my years playing this game, I still never got my head around junk. Are they worthless to players or not? Anyway, if a 24 hour lend of dclaws is worth 1m, than that's what they'll go for.

I think you mean 'possibility', not 'chance'. They're slightly different things, votes don't rig themselves by some kind of natural phenomenon. Anyway, look, why would you start talking about rigged votes at all? We all know that votes can be rigged by whoever's holding it, it's one of those universal laws of human nature and everyone knows that. People only talk about it when they think that it's happened. For example, it's like saying 'Well, people can lie'. It's not just a statement on the human condition, it's the equivalent of saying 'I think he/she probably lied'.

If you are not familiar with my opinion on the case, don't spill [cabbage] on the forums. I was one of the only people AGAINST the change but supporting the reliability of the vote results. Don't make assumptions from just 1 post - it makes you look dumb (in other words, smarter than you actually are). <_< You implied that you thought that the votes were manipulated, very clearly. One post is all it takes to put across an opinion. You shouldn't insult people for making the logical interpretation of the post. If there's one thing that makes people sound dumb, it's insults.

Wasn't '09 the year of upgrades? I forget, it's all pretty meaningless anyway. Still, I'm excited that they're promising to further increase the role of clans in the game.

One word of advice to anyone, if you're 5 or fewer levels below the requirement for any kind of task, research it and find out if you can use a boost. Think pies, potions, and mature beers. Also, be sure to discover the wonders of the Evil Stew*. *Consider it as a possible +5 boost if you're willing to invest a bit of time and patience, but never +6.

What about Slayer? It's probably the most popular skill that wasn't released at launch. Oh well, it doesn't matter, I remember all of these things, all the way back to a month or so before Slayer. Good times.

Alright, fine, supporters, my mistake. Wait, where did they say that they wanted to see a similar number of supporters? I'm not saying you're lying, but I'm just curious. Also, Willy?

They got over 1.2m votes already. These kinds of things normally pick up when there's not much time left, as people can no longer procrastinate about it, so simple extrapolation isn't accurate. Good try, though.

Or haven't got word of it yet. Can't imagine that there's any big cheese in the banks looking out for whether Jagex is inadvertently fueling credit card fraud. There's bigger issues on their hands than the relative liberalism of the RS economy and its effect on real world crime. If a company can't be trusted to organise the proverbial drink session in a brewery with the first petition without making it so insecure that basically every account that's ever existed was accounted for, how can they be trusted to take on an issue that plenty of games companies have tried (and failed) to resolve in RWT and botting? I can imagine it very easily. For banks, nothing is a bigger issue than the one that is losing them money, and Jagex is a really big customer. I would think that banks regularly investigate whether any companies that they are serving are facilitating credit card fraud by law anyway. Similarly, Jagex would never commit financial suicide so quickly when there's plenty more solid years of potential development in front of them. They could have never put up the poll in the first place and still have a virtually guaranteed profit for at least the next 3 financial years. Not too long ago, we saw a Runescape trailer showing much more advanced concept animations than we have now which will only really be possible in the game over years of development. They're acting very much like a company that's still in it for the long term. What has their ability to hold polls and PR stunts got to do with how good they are at combating bots? They're two very different kinds of competence.

This is a really common argument in RS for some reason. People don't blame Jagex for making the GE ridiculously easy to manipulate, they blame players for doing the only logical thing and taking advantage of it. They don't blame Jagex for not being harsh enough about banning bots, they blame players who bot when they know the worst that'll happen is a temp ban and maybe some stat resetting. And now, they don't blame Jagex for encouraging players to vote multiple times by making a vote that allows it, but instead blame the players who did exactly what they'd be expected to do. The fact is, when you're in charge of controlling or organizing people, it's more often than not your own damn fault if those people don't do what you want. The key is to make what you want them to do be the best course of action- if somebody can profit from doing something you'd rather they didn't (manipulation clans, spam voting), then you need to CHANGE SOMETHING so that it's no longer a smart thing to do (remove GE limits, implement a login on the vote). In the case of the vote, anyone who thought for half a second about what a player who wants the wilderness back is going to do would realize, oh hey, they're going to write a script to vote over and over. That is Jagex's fault because is was a direct and inescapable result of making a petition in which anyone can vote an infinite number of times. Why blame players for doing exactly what Jagex all but instructed them to do? Isn't this a pretty big moral argument? Like who is responsible if your house is burglarized - the criminal, or you for leaving the door unlocked? The way I see it, you simply can't pin the blame on Jagex for their naïvety and inability to expect people to tell the truth in the petition. They had to adjust when they realized how dishonest the community would be about the whole situation - which should have been expected. So, we can blame Jagex for being shortsighted, but not for lying. What makes you think that it wasn't expected? Jagex have never held an open petition on an update to the game before, for this very reason. The only thing that's changed is the widespread interest in the issue. Suddenly they're acting differently, claiming that 'Your voice matters!' and acting like the community should draw together under this issue, and that includes people who don't even remember their passwords. The whole thing is very intentional, and it wouldn't surprise me if it was proposed by some PR guru at Jagex. If it was a PR stunt, then why not say so afterwards? No they claimed it was just another way of gauging support for the changes... To me it looks like they messed up and didn't want to say so... If they came out right now and said "you knwo what, you're right, we all did this to make the cmmmunity as aware of it as possible" I might be more inclined to your way of thinking... But they didn't, so I'm not... As to the argument whether I should blame Jagex or the people that are abusing it; I'm a paying customer, so I expect the quality product they promised... If Jagex are going to use these polls and petitions as grounds to legitimize rolling back the changes that, in their own words, once threatened to ruin RuneScape altogether, I have every right to question their logic and every right to some answers too... Where is the need to explicitly say that it was a PR stunt afterwards? To satisfy one guy on a fansite forum? Jagex advertised poll everywhere where they held influence, put up facilities to spread the word on social networking sites. They made the community as aware of it as possible, that's a fact. I'm not sure how you can deny that. Of course you have a right to some answers, and here's a couple of them: They are doing this now because they say that they can take on the bots. The technology has changed, and Jagex believe that it is capable enough over time to deal with RWTing. They must have managed to convince the credit card companies, because they have withdrawn their ultimatums.

I see how you designed your post to lead people into reading it and then insult them at the end, given that you're posting it on a fansite for an MMO. Good job, that's totally constructive. [/sarcasm] I just want to make one suggestion to everyone who doesn't want to get degradable equipment: Get an armour repair point in your house, and maybe get some 'Teleport to House' tablets if you want to use Ancients or Lunars (also acts as a handy one click teleport). Even with mediocre Smithing levels, you can save about a third of the cost, and at higher levels it approaches half. Also, don't let it get damaged to 0, just top it up every so often when you feel like it. The whole thing takes about 20 seconds. On the flip side, it's 10 hours of solid combat. That pretty much equates to at least once a month for the average player. No biggie.

This is a really common argument in RS for some reason. People don't blame Jagex for making the GE ridiculously easy to manipulate, they blame players for doing the only logical thing and taking advantage of it. They don't blame Jagex for not being harsh enough about banning bots, they blame players who bot when they know the worst that'll happen is a temp ban and maybe some stat resetting. And now, they don't blame Jagex for encouraging players to vote multiple times by making a vote that allows it, but instead blame the players who did exactly what they'd be expected to do. The fact is, when you're in charge of controlling or organizing people, it's more often than not your own damn fault if those people don't do what you want. The key is to make what you want them to do be the best course of action- if somebody can profit from doing something you'd rather they didn't (manipulation clans, spam voting), then you need to CHANGE SOMETHING so that it's no longer a smart thing to do (remove GE limits, implement a login on the vote). In the case of the vote, anyone who thought for half a second about what a player who wants the wilderness back is going to do would realize, oh hey, they're going to write a script to vote over and over. That is Jagex's fault because is was a direct and inescapable result of making a petition in which anyone can vote an infinite number of times. Why blame players for doing exactly what Jagex all but instructed them to do? Isn't this a pretty big moral argument? Like who is responsible if your house is burglarized - the criminal, or you for leaving the door unlocked? The way I see it, you simply can't pin the blame on Jagex for their naïvety and inability to expect people to tell the truth in the petition. They had to adjust when they realized how dishonest the community would be about the whole situation - which should have been expected. So, we can blame Jagex for being shortsighted, but not for lying. What makes you think that it wasn't expected? Jagex have never held an open petition on an update to the game before, for this very reason. The only thing that's changed is the widespread interest in the issue. Suddenly they're acting differently, claiming that 'Your voice matters!' and acting like the community should draw together under this issue, and that includes people who don't even remember their passwords. The whole thing is very intentional, and it wouldn't surprise me if it was proposed by some PR guru at Jagex.

If you want it set out straight, this isn't the kind of issue that any multiple choice poll can adequately deal with. They made white lies, they manipulated the masses, but they also did what any forward thinking and intelligent games company would have done. They are not issues you can separate. A PK in the old Wilderness rules is identical to a trade whereby one player trades all but x of his/her lowest high alchemy value items to another player directly, and receives nothing in return, where x is his/her item protection value. It is an unbalanced trade. They are one and the same thing. If I didn't know any better, it would seem that you're looking for an argument where there is none.

The first poll was a publicity stunt, but it was a mighty good one. Think about how many people spread the word about this. The blokes at Jagex definitely weren't incompetent about this, it was the direct opposite, they have cleverly manipulated the public who haven't yet seen through why they didn't put passwords on the first poll. The result? They've managed to grab the attention of pretty much everyone who left in December '07, and made them take another decision on whether to come back to the game when Free Trade and the old Wilderness returns, and a significant amount of them will say 'yes'. It was a masterpiece of a PR move. What people think about this won't matter in the long term, but the subscription numbers will. This second vote then takes away most of the accusation of incompetence and a lack of sense of a fair vote, as well as being able to say "Well, you voted for it" if anything goes slightly awry with the transition, which it's likely to do. I don't think you could ever say that Jagex lied about anything here either. You couldn't prove it anyway. They simply omitted information from us, at first giving the impression that the first vote was the deciding vote without confirming it, and then revealing a 'Phase 2' and then saying they had it planned all along. They were white lies. They're devious, and they walked near a very fine line. I'd ask Jagex to not come so close to outright lying in the future, but they'll do it anyway. Businesses always do that kind of thing.

Clearly retired, the whole point is that the game has been disproportionately laggy as of late. haha, oh well. you could log on to any given computer at any time of day on any given server and the game will still lag whenever it seems fit ;) *puffs pipe and rocks chair* dis·pro·por·tion·ate/ˌdisprəˈpôrSHəˌnāt/ Adjective: Too large or too small in comparison with something else. Therefor this thread is about how lately the lag has been disproportional to how it usually is. Reading, learn it. Stop trolling. World 77 has been lagging me out a lot recently. He's not trolling. I've had a few cases of black screens and disconnects, but all of the worlds that's happened on have been listed. It's a pity, I wanted to start trying out TD's. Oh well, I can wait until it clears up.

Isn't there going to be a census for England here this year? Ah, yes. I googled it and there is. Should prove interesting. Indeed it should. My first census too. :)

Isn't there going to be a census for England here this year?

Dungeoneering is actually f2p, although naturally it's got much more content in p2p. Basically, you and your party (you can have up to five people at a time) have to navigate your way through an instanced dungeon filled with monsters and defeat the boss at the end. The dungeon is composed of square rooms, with doors that usually require you to perform a certain task to open, such as clearing the room of monsters, solving a puzzle located in the room, or a test of nearly any of your skills. The biggest catch is that these dungeons are isolated from the rest of the world, and you cannot bring your own items in or out of the dungeon. Instead, you create your own combat equipment using your non-combat skills using the unique resources found in the dungeon. You also lose all but one item (and some ammo, such as runes or arrows) that you can choose to keep between dungeons. Higher levels means you can keep more items. That means that often you're cutting trees, fletching bows, smithing armour, crafting robes, imbuing runes, doing pretty much everything to get equipment you need to get you through the dungeon alive and quickly. It's very much a skill of skills, and as such, it's got a cap of level 120 instead of 99. The higher your level, the deeper you can go, meeting harder challenges and consequently more rewards at the surface. Also, Ancient Curses are an alternative prayer book, much like Ancients and Lunars are alternatives to the Standard magic book. Curses have a greater focus on reducing or otherwise gaining their power from the stats of your opponent instead of simply boosting your own, and contain higher level prayers, pretty much picking up where the Standard prayer book left off past level 70. Highlights include Deflect Melee, Magic and Ranged, which act like protection prayers but also reflect some damage back at your opponent, Soul Split, which heals you as you deal damage as well as draining your opponent's prayer, and Leech Defence, which drains your opponent's defence by up to 25% over time, as well as boosting your own defence by up to 10% over time.

Yeah, it was a disappointing quest, and I don't often say that about quests. I mean, I saw that [hide]Hreidmar was going to be the heir from the start, and they were going to edit the documents so Veldeban was king.[/hide] Nothing was really new here, the Red Axe were up to their usual tricks. The only thing that I thought was interesting was the politics of running a city by an industrial consortium, as opposed to a democracy like Dorgesh-Kaan or a dictatorship like the human kingdoms.

Put yourself in the shoes of the victim. This guy, killed your entire family, burned down your house, blew up your car, and killed all your pets. Could you honestly say you're ok with just letting him live? If you say yes, that's means you're a bold faced liar. Oh and uhh welcome to tip.it. We all float down here. Call me a liar then. Seriously, as far as I'm concerned, that guy would get off far too lightly if he was killed. I would have him locked up for the rest of his life in the most brutal prison I can think of, or solitary confinement. Make him live to death.

Oh, how I missed these threads. People are whiny, ignore them.