TheAncient

Keeping an open mind and being naive are two different things. denying the possibility of this is close minded believing this completely is naive there is plenty of gray area in between amitoz your spam posts are getting annoying lol.

keeping an open mind is not a bad thing

Then again, it COMPLETELY depends on what you do. Some people, like me, don't play on slaying long term. I plan to stop after 85, and getting 40k slayer exp with a whip sounds fine to me. Instead, I planned to play castle wars, so I got a cstaff, and rune fights at edge, so I got a maul (arguably, rapier is good at this too, but it's my preference). If at any time in the future I wanted to train slayer/in general, I'd train dungeoneering for a rapier. It's not like once you choose a CLS first, you can NEVER go back for a second or third item. There are many things a rapier can't do, for example, can you mage with it? Can you range with it? One more thing, for those who do intend on only getting 80 dungeoneering, wouldn't it be best to get a well rounded weapon? The cls is very good in pvp, and is probably better than the whip at slaying, and its also good at all those other things you said. So wouldn't it make sense for some people who hate dungeoneering to get the average (but better than other non-dg) weapon for most if not all things? That's just what I think. yes, but only in very extreme cases. Realistically, your claim only applies to accounts whichdo not meler at all. i am confident you made the wrong choice in staff over rapier if you pvp with melee. staff is only more useful than rapier if you simply do not melee at all. rapier is good even if you have a maul. also rapier is proficient at basically all monsters, not just slaying. it is just exceptionally good at slaying. there is nothing remarkable about the cls; it is basically the same as rapier in some cases and much worse in others and no, the idea of getting only a cls is laughable and stupid. reread this whole thread if you disagree. rapier is an all purpose melee weapon. cls and maul are not.

the damage update has a very little effect on what it was supposed to do, which is reduce the ridiculous power of attacks. most people wear melee armor which at best has like a 15 % total soak. this is nothing. we need like 50 soak or 20 overall reduction also to be clear it's not the triangle that's broken but more combat power in general a good brid stands to benefit from this update because mages have highest melee soak

wow I don't mean to spam but that's the worst spelling I've seen in ages

my bad, logdot

Agreed. Sup. how about reading threads aye. MMG said it himself, have multiple friends confirmed, and a friend shared his screen with me over Skype. chill out, was just posting evidence to your claim

people in the cc were saying mmg was there 15 minutes prior

I would consider seriously getting into dangerous pvp if the old wild came back. it'll be a lot of fun.

Aww, I love my eagle Eye...then again, I only use it for warring as a range tank, which isn't exactly general use :P Yeah, I'm probably actually getting EEKS before CKS despite my rank order, but this is because CKS will be useless after I get a div/ely. EEKS will still be useful for avoiding barrages. I still think spectral is better than EEKS, though. I just have no use for tokens and a steady supply from DGing for fun

Again, to be completely fair, I wouldn't say CLS is useless. It's very marginally better for TD's (depending on switch style), Bandos w/ shield, Safe pvp. The OVERALL better choice is rapier, since it's far better than CLS against low defense and comparable everywhere else. However, that isn't to say rapier is CATEGORICALLY better, in all ways. There's a difference. I don't think it's right to call CLS users "stupid", but I think it IS a mistake to get CLS as your first chaotic. For GENERAL USE: Rapier>CBow>Maul>Rigour>Staff>CLS>FKS>CKS>EEKS

Divine SS 2200+ total 120 dg?

slayer to get your combat stats up get 85 dg frost dragon until maxed combat dks/tds/bandos til your bank explodes

You cannot write a legal macro. Macro's of any sort are illegal. There is a hole in someone's logic then. By that I mean I'm pretty sure programmed relative clicks are illegal too.

Depends on how willing you are to risk DFS is almost certainly superior to Obby shield in all cases if risk is not a concern, EVEN with the 10% soak. HOWEVER, obby shield has a major advantage (not having to risk 1 slot)

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half my trips at dk's end up with me dying in my house or running out of prayer lol. i like to go as long as possible without supplies

barrows was and still is among the best armor in the game however these updates really don't change much.

idk, i'm kind of skeptical because of how low the soaks are That's not what I meant :P barrows items have better soak values in addition to better defense values (than bandos), so idk why people think bandos would go up expecting a bandos crash, since tassets were already in a bubble for whatever reason Range defense, far less loss to mage offense, prayer, and killing sup in 1-2 fewer hits all really help. Barrows isn't good for 2.5brid, TBH. Bandos chestplate is better for 2.5 brid; tassets is marginally better or worse Mage offense only applies to top Verac has better prayer bonus Was mainly talking about tassets :P

idk, i'm kind of skeptical because of how low the soaks are That's not what I meant :P barrows items have better soak values in addition to better defense values (than bandos), so idk why people think bandos would go up expecting a bandos crash, since tassets were already in a bubble for whatever reason

afaik no

Thanks for the replies so far anyone know about the odd items like 3a vambs or bandos boots? IDK why bandos is going up, the soaks are still worse than barrows lol. bandos is so overrated...

wait are you serious? it'd be very easy for me to write a "legal" macro then.

Last night I bought 500 obby shields just to flip, looks like I made a good decision :thumbsup: Bought at 183k, min, yesterday, and they sold for max, 197k today. 8m profit overnight!!! Considering you can only buy 10 every 4 hours, I would love it if you could tell me how you managed this. Also they're bound to go up a lot more, since they're probably now the most economical shield to use against bosses who use ranged. Lower risk and cost than DFS with comparable strength and ranged defense. only real weakness is mage defense; melee defense is usually not a concern at bosses

+1 Also can we get someone to accurately compile all the soak info? Item ----------Melee soak ----- Range Soak ----- Mage soak Arma Helm Arma Body Arma Legs etc.