Rollback didn't only take back xp..

[Furah]

you think Jagex would also record EVERY trade too its stupid that they dont

 

and WHY did they roll back anyways? :-k

[Bobbington]

 

At the time that the Rollback-Checkpoint saved, the guy was in the middle of a trade, with his money and the Mask in the trade window. This meant that the game decided NOT to save this data since it wasn't in the inventory or bank at the time of the save. Before the next save happened, the servers crashed. Upon reverting back to the previous save data, the money and the mask are not returned since they were in an area where they were not saved, and therefore are lost.

 

Thanks for clearing that up. I was reading all the posts wondering how he could have lost it if the game saves every 15 minutes. :)

 

 

 

To be honest with you I dont think thats the case here.... I feel that he meant that that was a printscreen of the trade, but the trade had already gone through and they both though they had a party hat.

 

 

 

 

 

Also i belive jmod have said (in relation to anther subject) that it's impossible to "hack a trade" as the items in the trade window where still saved on the account.

 

 

 

I think the trade window can be seen as a shared spilt inventory it recognises whats there and counts it.

[Bobbington]

you think Jagex would also record EVERY trade too its stupid that they dont

 

and WHY did they roll back anyways? :-k

 

 

 

I belive they keep a text copy of evey trade for a long period of time for future investigation reasons.

 

 

 

The roll back was caused by a server crash not Jagex, basically the game was forced to revert to it's last save point as it could no longer record infomation.

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: woops sorry, though I edited my old post rather than making a new one :oops:

[ugafan_2009]

Thats really lame that you lost your mask :( I remember one story of another rollback where 2 brothers gained a free white party hat between them.

 

 

 

I'm kinda glad I wasn't online during the roll back. Also, look at the time in the taskbar on your picture :lol:

what 13:37

 

 

 

military time smarty

NSS

 

 

 

1337 is a popular phrase used online meaning "leet" or "elite"

[hellbellz]

I'm pretty sure it was 6/5/06 in America.

No, Uga. It was 6/6/06. I remember the news that day.

[hatebringer]

maybe it was a setup for jagex to secretly remove some expensive items and rares :twisted:

 

 

 

But yeah, luckily nothing happened to me, im not crazy enough to stay up past 3 in the morning (when the crash supposedly happened in my area), and when i do, its not playing runescape.

 

But even if they do a roll back, it should set everything back the way it was... including items

[mchainmail]

you think Jagex would also record EVERY trade too its stupid that they dont

 

and WHY did they roll back anyways? :-k

 

 

 

1. It would require an unbelievable amount of space. For a trade of say 10 sharks for 10k, the system would have to store 7 pieces of data. Names of the traders, quantities of the items, item reference numbers, and time. That's quite a lot of information when there's 20,000+ trades an hour.

[Tennis_Ace]

Have you considered the fact that your friend may have found this as the perfect opportunity to have a green mask all to himself?

[salim123]

i didnt belive it untill i logged back on my comp...

 

i had gotton 1 full rune kill at rune rocks on my pure and 1 black kill

 

now the rune kill is gone

[skeroh]

Wow...this is the first time in two and a half years that i've heard of RuneScape having a rollback. Because I haven't played in a while, this didn't affect me, but I'm sorry for what other people lost.

[Iamdan]

you think Jagex would also record EVERY trade too its stupid that they dont

 

and WHY did they roll back anyways? :-k

 

 

 

1. It would require an unbelievable amount of space. For a trade of say 10 sharks for 10k, the system would have to store 7 pieces of data. Names of the traders, quantities of the items, item reference numbers, and time. That's quite a lot of information when there's 20,000+ trades an hour.

 

 

 

It is done, learn Java and have a look in the client if you don't believe it. JaGeX has a record of all trades, it has average street values, works out the difference in price of the trade and flags trades which seem 1 sided.

[Cabbage_Boii]

aww sorry about mask, wewt good thing i wasnt here! :pray:

[Numer0_un0]

WOW. From now on I'm logging out after making a major purchase, even if it is in w2 :uhh: :ohnoes: :uhh:

[Xanotex]

I talked with the person that we bought the mask from and he has his mask back. I got my 8.9M back but my friend doesn't :?

 

 

 

Don't say sorry about your mask lose, If we both would have had our money back, we would just re-buy it..

[thiesje]

Ouch too bad about that :( , I know you really wanted that mask very much...

 

 

 

I'm very sorry for your friend... such a bit loss :(

[doomy]

Omg, so sorry dude :cry:

 

I had no idea this happened, done everything you can, as it SHOULD be in your bank, knowing how the rollbacks work...

[BlackDawn]

wow man thats horrible i feel for you :cry:

 

 

 

i myself had just bought a blue boater and when it crashed i thought it would be gone but to my suprise it was still there \

 

 

 

while everyone else in the bank was shouting cause they lost their stuff :shock:

 

 

 

weird or what :-k

[Freesia]

wow man thats horrible i feel for you :cry:

 

 

 

i myself had just bought a blue boater and when it crashed i thought it would be gone but to my suprise it was still there \

 

 

 

while everyone else in the bank was shouting cause they lost their stuff :shock:

 

 

 

weird or what :-k

 

I hunted some kyatt furs for hats minutes before rollback, after the rollback they were gone :-w

[BlackDawn]

wow man thats horrible i feel for you :cry:

 

 

 

i myself had just bought a blue boater and when it crashed i thought it would be gone but to my suprise it was still there \

 

 

 

while everyone else in the bank was shouting cause they lost their stuff :shock:

 

 

 

weird or what :-k

 

I hunted some kyatt furs for hats minutes before rollback, after the rollback they were gone :-w

 

 

 

that doesnt sound like too much of a loss but i guess it is kinda tough to hunt kyatts

[24_7_ko]

Ahhh such a disaster...

 

 

 

i lost 21-22 range... SUCH A DISASTER

 

 

 

ji need my 500 xP's back

 

 

 

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On topic,

 

 

 

sorry about your loss :(

[Kill_Thomas9]

im wonderin if the other guy lost his 17.8 mill ??

 

 

 

then basically over 30 million was lost on that one trade and a green mask was taken out of the game.

 

You obviously weren't on the forums as soon as they were back up. There were at least 7 people complaining about their phats being deleted, and atleast 20 other people complaining about their rares missing. I imagine there were even more who weren't on when the servers came back up. The rants forum was crazy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From what it sounds like, this is what happened...

 

 

 

 

 

At the time that the Rollback-Checkpoint saved, the guy was in the middle of a trade, with his money and the Mask in the trade window. This meant that the game decided NOT to save this data since it wasn't in the inventory or bank at the time of the save. Before the next save happened, the servers crashed. Upon reverting back to the previous save data, the money and the mask are not returned since they were in an area where they were not saved, and therefore are lost.

 

 

 

Yay someone else understands how it works.

 

 

 

It an anomaly caused by the games coding

 

 

 

In any instance of an item moving between the ingame screen and inventory or between accounts it does not exsist.

 

 

 

Therefore eg when a trade is accepted the order of operations happening is

 

"delete z instances of item #### to playera"

 

"spawn z instances ofitem #### to playerb"

 

 

 

Its the if the bkup occurs in the milliseconds between these 2 events that the items fail to exist and r lost.

 

 

 

Previously it duped items as the events happened the other way round aka the item was spawned to playerb before it was deleted from playera

Oh, ok. Now I understand. Thanks.

[Emp75]

That sucks, but Dragon xiv, the guy u traded with is my friend lol :P

[Powman3]

hm... I don't see stuff like this happening all the time.... not at all actually...

 

very technical stuff right here... I don't understand much of it

 

 

 

EDIT: Ah, I see now. They needed to fix the internet connection, so they kinda went back in time in the game before it was all saved, and that's what happened

 

If I'm wrong, kill me.

 

If I'm right, gimme a cookie

[Saru Inc]

why was there a rollback? there must have been a serious problem for them to do a rollback. They didn't do a rollback even during the falador massacre and I thought they would have then so it must have been something very serious :?

 

 

 

What was the Falador Massacre?

 

 

 

On one of the first days of Construction, the first player to get 99 Construction, Cursed_You had a house party, in that party a guy named like Durial123 found a bug in where after he teled to fally, he could still attack players, so he barraged a whole lot of players in W2 Fally...

 

 

 

 

 

OT:

 

 

 

LOL, I'm so glad I'm never on when these rollbacks happen.

[Soma2035]

how did you get 190k smith exp in 15 minutes? And other insane exp amounts.

 

They didn't.

 

 

 

A rollback works like this- If a 15 minute rollback is made at 10:00 (example), it will make everything as it was at 9:45. If someone playing for 3 hours, without logging out, logs out at 9:55 their progress is only saved then. Because the rollback then made everything as it was before the progress was saved, everything done within that 3 hours is lost.

 

 

 

No. That's NOT how a rollback works.

 

 

 

Every 15 minute checkpoint, Runescape is programmed to AUTOMATICALLY save everything into a backup file. Thus, if you had earned 120k XP already, that would still be saved.

 

 

 

So, for example, if it made a back up at 8:45, and servers crashed at 8:56, and Jagex does a rollback, every person affected by the rollback is pushed back to their save file at 8:45.

 

 

 

The problem is, not EVERY account is rolled back. I wasn't rolled back, and at least a couple of my friends weren't... although one is still trying to convince me the rollback lost him a blue p-hat. :roll:

 

 

 

So you CAN lose an item from this, although you're not going to lose 190k smithing XP...

 

 

 

Person A gives Person B a Dragon Chainbody at 8:46.

 

 

 

Server crashes at 8:56, a backup is NOT made in between. Person B is kicked off and unable to log on. Person A is, luckily or unluckily, unaffected.

 

 

 

At 8:58, Jagex ROLLS BACK all accounts that were kicked off. Person B is reverted to his 8:45 save file, where he has no dragon chainbody. Since Person A was unaffected by the incident, he is NOT rolled back. His file proceeds to be saved at 9:00, without a dragon chainbody.

 

 

 

They both get back online at 9:30 to find out, to their mutual horror, the dragon chainbody is not on either account.

 

 

 

This can ALSO, and HAS worked in reverse. As in, Person A is the one who was rolled back, and has his dragon chain again, while Person B holds it as well. This has happened before, someone once posted on TIF when his purple party hat was duplicated due to a rollback, leaving him and his brother each a purple p-hat, and both of them sincerely glad that it was the lender that was rolled back.