Bone bolts and how to fix them?

[Dragonlordjl]

I love bone bolts and how cheap and good they are, but they do have to go.

 

 

 

You see.. They kind of put arrow fletching or bolt fletching (namely, mith bolts) out of business.

 

Bone and mith bolts have completely different uses, so mith bolt business won't be affected. Mith bolts and up are used for higher defence monsters/bosses. Seriously, would you use bone bolts against iron drags like you would for mith bolts?

 

 

 

Mith bolts are only used for those higher defense monsters because you receive a much higher Ranged bonus with the Rune Crossbow than you do with the Bone Crossbow. It doesn't change the fact that bone bolts are still equally as effective as mith bolts for a mere fraction of the price.

[Lunar_Drifter]

But I think bone bolts are great. Jagex should not change their stats at all, nor how hard they hit. It was about time for another method of training Ranged.

and because you bought 397k? don't worry i wont tell no one :-w

 

 

 

...I didn't, that was some other guy. I quoted his picture in the Picture thread here in General. I only had bought 45k when I wrote that.

[mugged99]

I love bone bolts and how cheap and good they are, but they do have to go.

 

 

 

You see.. They kind of put arrow fletching or bolt fletching (namely, mith bolts) out of business.

 

Bone and mith bolts have completely different uses, so mith bolt business won't be affected. Mith bolts and up are used for higher defence monsters/bosses. Seriously, would you use bone bolts against iron drags like you would for mith bolts?

 

 

 

Mith bolts are only used for those higher defense monsters because you receive a much higher Ranged bonus with the Rune Crossbow than you do with the Bone Crossbow. It doesn't change the fact that bone bolts are still equally as effective as mith bolts for a mere fraction of the price.

 

 

 

their not equally as effective. Using a rune crossbow you can get around +190 range bonus, with bone xbow i'm around +141

 

that is a big difference. if mith bolts were any good before the update then the market for them should stay about the same. They seem overpriced to me anyways..

[time2quit]

wow, your [bleep] up man. you want us to go back to training with 1 of the following

 

magic short with iron

 

crystal bow

 

 

 

im sorry, crystal bow is not an effecitve range training weapon. it more like a gathering tool. thats what alot of people used on blue dragons. because h hey they hit hard and good and the $ returned makes for more bows.

 

 

 

magic short? yea i love maxin out a 7 all day long.

 

 

 

 

 

ranged and bone bolts ARE NOT BROKEN

 

 

 

IS there any need for the personal insult? and language?? I put a topic out here to discuss and you think its appropriate to swear at me? God your mature...

 

 

 

Yeah that only leaves msb w/iron and crystal bow;

 

 

 

Because no-one i no ever trained with something called IRON KNIVES;

 

oh and no-one i ever new ever has trained with anything called RED CHINS...

 

 

 

This is about jagex created something shop bought thats pretty much undermining players in almost every respect for general (none rediculious cost [chins]) training, least what they can produce.

 

 

 

If you were an rcer how would you lik eit if shop bought nats were 200 per?

 

Fisher? Shop bough monks raw 150per sharks raw 500per

 

 

 

They changed the food supplys of the cheesy pots, and gnome cuisine because of this already.

 

 

 

Heck when they put in the pots unlimited to the warrior guild they buffed the price by alot to 1,2k - str, 500 - att, 800 - def...

 

 

 

And please remember as people have said before these things are save for vs boss type monsters mith bolts for 3% of the price...

 

 

 

I love bone bolts and how cheap and good they are, but they do have to go.

 

 

 

You see.. They kind of put arrow fletching or bolt fletching (namely, mith bolts) out of business.

 

Bone and mith bolts have completely different uses, so mith bolt business won't be affected. Mith bolts and up are used for higher defence monsters/bosses. Seriously, would you use bone bolts against iron drags like you would for mith bolts?

 

 

 

Mith bolts are only used for those higher defense monsters because you receive a much higher Ranged bonus with the Rune Crossbow than you do with the Bone Crossbow. It doesn't change the fact that bone bolts are still equally as effective as mith bolts for a mere fraction of the price.

 

 

 

their not equally as effective. Using a rune crossbow you can get around +190 range bonus, with bone xbow i'm around +141

 

that is a big difference. if mith bolts were any good before the update then the market for them should stay about the same. They seem overpriced to me anyways..

 

 

 

You make 10 bolts out of 1 bar, mith bars currently are at 1,3 - 1,4 per

 

1,3/10 = 130 per. Not like the smither is making a rediculious profit here is it??

 

 

 

Cant compare to much with arrows as you get 15 per bar, 50% more out of it that for bolts. And mith bolts are good, ask anyone.

[coza_17]

Theres nothing wrong with the bone crossbow or bolts. Iron knives are still much faster for xp. The price of it and the low level requirement means that poorer players who do not want to spend all their money on ammo can still train range. I also think they should do the same for mage too as before it could be very expensive to train range. Maybe put a limit on how many you can buy. For example between lv 20-40 combat you could only buy 7k a week. And as it is a weapon aimed for lower levels the higher your combat the less ammo you can buy each week. Or even make the ammo slightly more expensive - maybe 7gp each and only 3k a week for lv 110+. Also make the ammo untradeable if it is not already untradeable.

[jessy87]

wow, your [bleep] up man. you want us to go back to training with 1 of the following

 

magic short with iron

 

crystal bow

 

 

 

im sorry, crystal bow is not an effecitve range training weapon. it more like a gathering tool. thats what alot of people used on blue dragons. because h hey they hit hard and good and the $ returned makes for more bows.

 

 

 

magic short? yea i love maxin out a 7 all day long.

 

 

 

 

 

ranged and bone bolts ARE NOT BROKEN

 

 

 

IS there any need for the personal insult? and language?? I put a topic out here to discuss and you think its appropriate to swear at me? God your mature...

 

 

 

lol i never claimed to be. this thread tho, dumb. its about fixing an nerfing and item jagex probably does not care about.

 

 

 

you remind me of don imus

[phata_elise]

some of you might already know me as a bone xbow supporter

 

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Im soo against nerfing, finally a range gets its own whip!

 

i mean .. in combat, ooh the whip, hits high, hits fast, hits strong

 

 

 

now the bone xbow comes along, operating at the same speed as whip, hitting high, hitting hard, and some people want to nerf it?

 

 

 

pretend its just a weapon like the whip, if u wanna nerf the bone then nerf the whip..

 

 

 

i seriously hope this doesnt happen..

 

 

 

 

It's not comparable to a whip. A whip is a lvl 85 slayer drop, requiring at least 70 attack to wield and costs at the moment something like 1.5-1.6M.

 

 

 

Bone xbow and bolts require only a few very easy quests and 51 ranged i believe.

 

 

 

I love ranged, it's my favorite skill, but really those bone bolts have got to go. Reduce damage to less than bronze and it is ok. Make sure people can sell the bolts back for 4gp each. So, no big loss for people who spend millions on it.

 

 

 

Equipment like this only destroys a skill, not improve it.

 

 

 

well first of all, we're not discussing price; i know the whip is a drop from abby demon, thats why it costs 1.5m+

 

 

 

we're talking about power,

 

i dont think it's overpowered at all, because ive seen people hits 40s with whip in pest control

 

 

 

and when ur talking about maxing out at 24/25 damage at 99 range with a bone xbow, then it just seems silly damage in comparison to the whip.

 

 

 

i dont understand why people want to nerf it, just because the ranged skill got a cheap weapon thats good. Seriously it's not like you can pk someone easily with them, its best used for training.

 

 

 

chins completely dominate..dont you think theyre overpowered?

 

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i guess this discussion is about the price then, 'why is it priced so low, and why is it so good'?

 

 

 

jagex most likely price it the way they did because did u ever see anyone use it before the shop updates? prolly not. it was prolly considered a noob weapon.."omg bone weapon"

 

 

 

all i can say is: relish this opportunity while you can

 

 

 

and if you hate the xbow just because you dont have 1, i can sell you one! lol[/b]

 

 

 

The bone xbow is not about power. ItÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâôs about very cost effective training.

 

 

 

The last couple of months I used mith bolts, hitting a natural max hit of 23. Bone bolts only give me a max of 17. So, itÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâôs not about the power of the weapon. The problem is that bone bolts are very good for their price. As a matter of fact, I think that they are the cheapest ammo in the game. Compare them with bronze arrows: cheaper and hits up to 50% more damage. Even though the xbow is slower than the msb, the speed difference isnÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâôt that big.

 

 

 

Once more, the bone xbow is not over powered in the way of dealing massive damage. But cash wise, itÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâôs simply completely out of line compared to other training methods.

[time2quit]

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wow, your [bleep] up man. you want us to go back to training with 1 of the following

 

magic short with iron

 

crystal bow

 

 

 

im sorry, crystal bow is not an effecitve range training weapon. it more like a gathering tool. thats what alot of people used on blue dragons. because h hey they hit hard and good and the $ returned makes for more bows.

 

 

 

magic short? yea i love maxin out a 7 all day long.

 

 

 

 

 

ranged and bone bolts ARE NOT BROKEN

 

 

 

IS there any need for the personal insult? and language?? I put a topic out here to discuss and you think its appropriate to swear at me? God your mature...

 

 

 

lol i never claimed to be. this thread tho, dumb. its about fixing an nerfing and item jagex probably does not care about.

 

 

 

you remind me of don imus

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But people have pointed out that it is broken, for the price that it currently is, just look at what 'phata_elise' has been saying... Cheapest + 50% better than bronze.

 

 

 

Like how you ignore the rest of that post and what other people have said. As if you airbrush over facts then they simply dont exist eh?

 

 

 

[hide=message to jessy87..]Oh and cut the personal stuff out of this? I couldn't care less who I remind you of, and i wouldnt be as childish as you to start slinging names etc whatever around. This is a discussion about what to do about bone bolts + bone xbow, lets keep it that way.[/hide]

[BBC3]

melee can be 40k+ per hour without spending anything.

 

 

 

and you make money when you alch.

 

 

 

why does everyone want something good in range to be nerfed just because its different.

[SwreeTak]

I don't think Jagex should change the prize of these bolts actually. Why can't we let people get some fast ranging xp?

[Hooya2]

I'd say this update is totally fine. It doesn't destroy upper level ranging methods--it's certainly not better than addy bolts!--But it does offer a cheap, easy, fast way to train range. Of course, really that only brings it into line with the way melee has worked for as long as I've known it. Maybe now Jagex will release an update that un-screws mages, and all three training paths will be equal.

[lordkafei]

I have been field testing bone bolts this morning.

 

 

 

They're OK... but they aren't going to displace high-end bolts. I was hitting 17s occasionally. But I also hit a lot of sub-10s and zeroes.

 

 

 

I was at blackies with someone using addy bolts, and he was finishing his dragons a good bit faster than I was finishing mine.

 

 

 

I don't see a problem with the bolts as they are.

[Olbritishchap]

If they haven't now, i don't think they will, at least i hope not. Maybe they wanted to make the bone items more popular, so they might just leave it.

[wioneo]

You nerf happy rich people BACK OFF!!! I love my new bone bolts, and I just happened to run out of accumulated steel arrows on my way to 70 range the day after the shop update, and those bolts(and steel knives before the price change) helped me finish. If they increase the price of the bolts, I'll be slightly peeved, but If they decrease the power, I'm gonna whack the crap out of somebody with my rubber chicken...

[everglades]

But I think bone bolts are great. Jagex should not change their stats at all, nor how hard they hit. It was about time for another method of training Ranged.

and because you bought 397k? don't worry i wont tell no one :-w

 

 

 

...I didn't, that was some other guy. I quoted his picture in the Picture thread here in General. I only had bought 45k when I wrote that.

ok, just a little mess up on my part #-o

[dynastyfan0]

I personally don't have any experience with the bone bolts, because my active pure is mele not ranged :roll:

 

 

 

I can say this tho, when jagex made the shops update, they probably spent their time on it. They do play this game too you know :wink:

 

Im gessing it was their way of saying "happy birthday ranged community, sorry it toke us so long".

 

 

 

I don't think it will be nerfed.

[Master_Smither]

They should for sure no 99 should be cheap and easy. Expensive and easy or hard and cheap works.

 

 

 

Also it's gonna ruin range like Chins and PC did.

[MrSScope]

They should for sure no 99 should be cheap and easy. Expensive and easy or hard and cheap works.

 

 

 

Also it's gonna ruin range like Chins and PC did.

 

 

 

Let's ruin smithing next so you can lose your attitude shall we?

 

 

 

How about you all stop complaining about every single update that's brought into the game?

 

You can get 99 melee stats with a 100k weapon and sell it back after for exactly the same price, why doesn't anyone complain about that?

[Sporkman_88]

I think they are just fine atm.... Mabye move the price up to like 10gp ea or something.

[hatebringer]

Why nerf them? They are amazing. I personally would be against it, but it is very un balanced. 4 gp that hits like 300g bolts, and just as fast.

[Lunar_Drifter]

"We then checked any stock in those shops that would cause problems for the economy, if they were made available in infinite quantities, and researched what the prices should be for the rest."

 

[time2quit]

"We then checked any stock in those shops that would cause problems for the economy, if they were made available in infinite quantities, and researched what the prices should be for the rest."

 

 

 

 

Cheesy potatoes, were ridiculiously cheap..

 

Gnome cuisine (choc bombs), 1 hp of a monkfish for 160 per. But omg wait, non instant healing, so not that close to being miles better than. did they change? yes..

 

 

 

Two great examples of where they dropped the ball; and had to 'fix' later on quietly and without telling everyone....

 

 

 

KB isnt the be all and end all, after all they are only human; we all make mistakes. Unless you telling me that you always get 100% perfect reports all the time with research, no matter how though it is?

[Robert_de_Sable]

And yet when you think of the consequences that might have on ranged trainers, you decide no. People have just spent up to four million on those bolts and bow. That's alot of money down the drain....... :|

[Robert_de_Sable]

They should for sure no 99 should be cheap and easy. Expensive and easy or hard and cheap works.

 

 

 

Also it's gonna ruin range like Chins and PC did.

 

 

 

Let's ruin smithing next so you can lose your attitude shall we?

 

 

 

How about you all stop complaining about every single update that's brought into the game?

 

You can get 99 melee stats with a 100k weapon and sell it back after for exactly the same price, why doesn't anyone complain about that?

 

QFT. Anyone who doesn't agree with me, feel free to say so. Sorry for the double post, mods merge 'em pl0x?

[time2quit]

And yet when you think of the consequences that might have on ranged trainers, you decide no. People have just spent up to four million on those bolts and bow. That's alot of money down the drain....... :|

 

 

 

They are always going to be of some use, after all you can always shot them out a cross bow... (bone of course)

 

 

 

And before you say about jagex costing players money in that sense - broad arrows...