ixfd64 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 "When life gives you lemons, make lemonade." One of the wonderful things of the RuneScape community is that players always find ways around difficult problems. In response to the 3,000 coin limit, some players have proposed a way to duel "normally" again: trust stakes. Suppose that Alice and Bob, two players with similar combat levels, want to stake 5m each. Alice and Bob could agree that if Bob loses, he pays Alice 5m and vice versa. However, since there is no technical mechanism to enforce, the loser can dishonorably refuse to pay. A solution is to use a middle person. Consider the same scenario, except with Mallory as the middleperson. Alice and Bob can each pay Mallory 5m. After the duel is over, Mallory gives 10m to the winner (the original stake and the spoils). The problem with the middleperson method is that middlepersons can scam. However, with a trustworthy player, the chances of the middleperson running off is slim. Perhaps some of us can band together and offer such a service; the problem is getting players to trust us. This idea may not be widely accepted, but with enough effort, we can pull this off. Any takers? ARENAscape: Baratus [AS] max hit: 166 with Moon Battle Hammer ixfd64 [AS] max hit: 116 with (untitled spell #2) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Observer Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 This might actually work.. :-k It isn't foolproof though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JordanGM Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 I highly doubt that this would work for players outside of TIF. Maybe, in TIF, the admins or Global Mods could be the MM's (Middlmen/women), but other than that. I doubt it. You can try, but I don't support it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatebringer Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Actually, it is a very good idea, and if it could be trusted with the money, it could be a working solution, but personally, i wouldn't trust ANYONE with a 100m+ stake, which is why there would never be a true solution to the 3k cap. 99 Fletching 99 Attack 99 Constitution 99 Cooking 99 StrengthGamertag: H8tebringer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infernosage4 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 What if, say, Alice and Mallory are friends. Bob and Alice each give 5mil to Mallory. Bob wins the duel, but Mallory and Alice take the money and split it between themselves. Now what? 269 QP | All Stats 60+ (except Summoning) | Barrows Drops: 8 | Dragon Drops: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qeltar Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Thought of this the minute I saw this update. Good thinking. The irony is that this technique is already used. Do you know by whom? Cheaters who want to broker accounts and mils. Sad, isn't it? Qeltar, aka Charles KozierokWebmaster, RuneScoop - Premium RuneScape Information for Expert Players -- Now Free!Featuring the Ultimate Guide to Dungeoneering -- everything you need to know to get the most of the new skill! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggiwhplar Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Nobody's heard of deathmatches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olbritishchap Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 What if, say, Alice and Mallory are friends. Bob and Alice each give 5mil to Mallory. Bob wins the duel, but Mallory and Alice take the money and split it between themselves. Now what? Bob got owned :-w i don't see how it can work, unless the person is 100% trustworthy, and what does the middle man get out of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infernosage4 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Nobody's heard of deathmatches? That could work but then you have the problem of your opponent possibly having his/her friends jump you in mid fight. 269 QP | All Stats 60+ (except Summoning) | Barrows Drops: 8 | Dragon Drops: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spooferfish Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Nobody's heard of deathmatches? Yea, and they are a completely differant thing. This might work if you can manage to find some trustworthy players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixfd64 Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share Posted November 21, 2007 Yes, I forgot to mention that deathmatches are an alternative solution, but the options are very limited. You can't choose what items to "stake," what rules to set (unless the opponent is honorable enough to agree to "rules" and not cheat), or prevent outside entities from interfering with the "duel." ARENAscape: Baratus [AS] max hit: 166 with Moon Battle Hammer ixfd64 [AS] max hit: 116 with (untitled spell #2) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakka102 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 theres too much trust and time involved in planning something like that, it wouldn't work very well in the majority of cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam007 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 I'd think you'd run the risk of getting banned for real world trading as a middle man if millions of gp are flowing in and out of your account all the time. Personally I wouldn't risk being a middle man even if both parties trusted me. It wouldn't be worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star_Fox Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 this would best work inside the tipit community, then again, theres dishonest tifers. if this were to be posted in RSOF, you know the snobby replies. the one way we can bring staking back is with death matches in the wild, then again, there are PJers. theres too many flaws in this idea, it wouldnt work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggiwhplar Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Nobody's heard of deathmatches? Yea, and they are a completely differant thing. Not really, you agree on the rules outside of the wild and carry the stake in your inventory. Old-school stakers used to do it for fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoknight2 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 deathmatches would quickly be destroyed by people roaming the wildy lookign for one and barraging both contestants. AKA find a diff way to make cash, there are still SKILLS, which jagex seems to favor, considering they haven't changed it majorly negatively. Maybe Jagex actually want s you to use your SKILLS, considering thats what they were made for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omali Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Trust matches would do it. Think of it like this: Jagex does security updates in order to stop people from getting scammed, right? The assist system came out to stop trust trading with gems and other materials. So you start the trend of trust duels, and sooner or later, players are going to start scamming others. Jagex will eventually catch on to this, see that their update has done more damage by creating new scams, and will rectify the situation. It'd be kinda long term, but it would work if it catches on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meili Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 That's a nice idea. I would prefer deathmatches to trust stakes. However, I am not sure it would work in today's RS community. Back in RS1 deathmatches worked because pkers were mostly known to each other. The Runescape Wilderness - Meili's Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggiwhplar Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 deathmatches would quickly be destroyed by people roaming the wildy lookign for one and barraging both contestants. AKA find a diff way to make cash, there are still SKILLS, which jagex seems to favor, considering they haven't changed it majorly negatively. Maybe Jagex actually want s you to use your SKILLS, considering thats what they were made for. Many of them have become obsolete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chubbyman49 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Personally, I'm all up for deathmatches but dbow/blitz/dds > dmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acenator Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 There are to many possible problems with this idea. What they could do is just make it so that stakes need to be about the same amount. Maybe make it so that each person's stake has to be within 10% of the value of the other persons. For example: Player A stakes 5 mill; Player B has to stake at least 4.5 mill,, but no more than 5.5 mill. Also, since Jagex seems to have a system for utilizing (sp?) market prices of items, this could also be applied (Player A stakes a green mask (currently about 17 mill, I think); Player B must now stake either a cash pile between 15.3 mill and 18.7 mill or the equivilent in items). > SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue > 0;0 rows returnedThere's no place like 127.0.0.1There are only 10 types of peoplein this world: those who understandbinary and those who don't.This statement is false.$DO || ! $DO ; trytry: command not found Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gameboypen Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 The majority of people will compromise even the strongest trust and friendship with 100s of mill sitting in their inventory. But I guess this is the only solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggiwhplar Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Personally, I'm all up for deathmatches but dbow/blitz/dds > dmer. If there are conspicuous PK'ers nearby then you can relocate or have a harmless spectator stop the PJer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaskkes Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Flags RL trading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrpez Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 I will be your middleman free of charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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