How about cell-phone verification for every account created...

 

I know on a lot of sites, to register completely, you need to type in your cell phone number and then they will text you an activation code.

 

 

 

Jagex could set it up so that 1 cell phone could create 3 accounts, that way families could all play (3 should be enough, but even if its not, most families have more than 1 cell) and/or you could create a seperate account.

 

 

 

It would also eliminate a lot of players <13 years old, which I'm not sure Jagex would want, even though most people would... they don't seem to be doing much to prevent them...

 

The problem is not every runescape player lives in the same country, hence overseas calling will be needed and will cost alot, and not every family that plays RS owns a cellphone..

 

Isn't a large part of Jagex over in Europe? They could set up a European phone center and an American one, so that rates wouldn't be any higher than typical....

 

 

 

About the families that don't have cellphones.. I don't really think there is any significant number of families without cellphones... good enough internet and computer for RS, but no cell? Dunno...

 

And the very few exceptions.. Jagex could set up a mail activation for those and if not, then I say "oh well"... Runescape had to sacrifice a ton of people when the DA was 'removed' to fight RWT, wouldn't this be the same?

How about cell-phone verification for every account created...

 

I know on a lot of sites, to register completely, you need to type in your cell phone number and then they will text you an activation code.

 

 

 

Jagex could set it up so that 1 cell phone could create 3 accounts, that way families could all play (3 should be enough, but even if its not, most families have more than 1 cell) and/or you could create a seperate account.

 

 

 

It would also eliminate a lot of players <13 years old, which I'm not sure Jagex would want, even though most people would... they don't seem to be doing much to prevent them...

 

 

 

I'm almost 20 (in the spring), and I don't have a mobile. Don't really want one, either. I do have a driver's license, a W2, and various other forms of legal age verification and identification. Should I be cut out of the loop because I don't have a mobile?

 

 

 

Besides, there's not any one way to fight the autoer/RTS problem, not that we know of. A theory of mine would be to limit Members to accounts that fall under a certain criterion in terms of stats, but not even I think that it'd be foolproof or really would work against everything.

As if Jagex had detection systems capable of spotting every single botter in Runescape. Lol...

I don't know much about how autoers work, but don't they press the same coordinates on the map when they go from the bank back down to wherever they need to go? Why can't they just implement something that knows what coordinates you are pressing and if you press the same ones more than 5 or 10 times it starts tracking you.... or can this not be programmed into java?

I don't know much about how autoers work, but don't they press the same coordinates on the map when they go from the bank back down to wherever they need to go? Why can't they just implement something that knows what coordinates you are pressing and if you press the same ones more than 5 or 10 times it starts tracking you.... or can this not be programmed into java?

 

 

 

Well, then people who were doing an extremely simple run over and over again (say, smithing in Al Kharid) who have done the action so many times that they have actually worked out the shortest way and click the same coordinates every time would be screwed. Yes, it is possible to do that - I know that with Runecrafting, even at level 71, I've already got my route from bank -> wilderness ditch perfected. This is the same distance from most anvils/furnaces that are used... so what's the chance that someone's going to be banned because they did what they were doing to well?

Jagex is in the process of removing all player to player trading except for the anonymous trading in the GE.

 

 

 

Once this is done ALL the RWT will be gone, and their bots with them.

 

 

 

So no need to close RS to new accounts.

no no no no, I meant coordinates on the browser, not on the mini map...I mean like they click the exact same point every everytime...and they do it the same way every trip. Even if you are the best at what you do...you are human and therefor wont hit the same exact...and i mean exact coordinate on the map or when putting your things back in the bank...

A nice idea, but wouldn't that mean that RS stopped growing?

In comment to the ip and cell phone ideas people posted up:

 

 

 

ip would not work as you can change your ip easily

 

 

 

Cell phone would not work as many do not have and do not want a mobile and even amoung thoose that do it would limit rs to thoose countries and network providers that can actually do the required verification. Plus depending on your location it could cost ALOT.

To Stop Autoers and RWT why dosent Jagex just ban China from playing rs? :-k

To Stop Autoers and RWT why dosent Jagex just ban China from playing rs? :-k

 

 

 

Agree.

 

 

 

Also they should censor the gold selling sites, the RWT's would have to get a new domain all the time.

so your saying they brought back the IP ban?

 

wow it had to come to this....tsk tsk tsk

 

 

 

but also without the bots that we all hate, we still have love for em because without em imagine the price of yews, they'd be like 1k each!!!!

To Stop Autoers and RWT why dosent Jagex just ban China from playing rs? :-k

 

 

 

Agree.

 

 

 

Also they should censor the gold selling sites, the RWT's would have to get a new domain all the time.

 

 

 

lol first 1 made me laugh.....and agreed...them chinese and asian kids r too smart for this game anyways! lol

The bot issue has several facets:

 

 

 

A lot of players really couldn't care less about bots, RWT etc. other than for the resource competition issue - for them, simply reducing the damage bots do is enough - eg. the store update that prevented bot-buyout.

 

 

 

The wilderness update now looks like another ham-fisted anti-bot update preventing both honest players and green dragon bots from using monster cover.

 

 

 

Overall, the problem with bot-banning is the ease of replacement, so some restriction on new accounys is needed:

 

1. Require an email, and verify it against some lists of forum abuse emails, those which are "easy-come, easy go"

 

2. Have a CAPTCHA, a good one (maybe Recaptcha)

 

3. Restrict account creation, no more than 2 per IP per day

 

4. Bar certain ranges altogether - naybe bar China, Korea etc. from new account creation, and bar known proxies.

 

 

 

Finally, there's the "cripple RWT" approach, and given their destruction of staking, it seems that nothing is safe.

 

 

 

The exchange sets a benchmark of "fair" trading, though it is skewed by many factors. It is also anonymous, making RWT impossible on the exchange.

 

 

 

I guess the next step is not just to look suspiciously at unbalanced trades, but to ban them altogether, or allow only 1 or 2 per day and a greater number of smaller gifts.

 

 

 

 

 

This still leaves PK and death by monster - and maybe the delayed death pile in monster death may be a precursor to other steps. There is also the nervous awiating of the gravestone, and what that will mean to PK.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is one basic question....

 

 

 

What worries you most, bots, or what Jagex's next move against them will be?

~You could put a total level requirement on cutting Willow Trees of like 150. They can go train Combat or something.~

Yeah, banning IPs from China would do the trick. I don't think it is possible to use proxies with java.

 

 

 

This might be our anti-bot miracle solution O.o

To Stop Autoers and RWT why dosent Jagex just ban China from playing rs? :-k

 

 

 

Agree.

 

 

 

Also they should censor the gold selling sites, the RWT's would have to get a new domain all the time.

 

 

 

lol first 1 made me laugh.....and agreed...them chinese and asian kids r too smart for this game anyways! lol

 

 

 

All 3 of you are pathetic if you mean that.

 

Pathetic with a big P.

Yeah, banning IPs from China would do the trick. I don't think it is possible to use proxies with java.

 

 

 

This might be our anti-bot miracle solution O.o

 

 

 

And so are you, if u also mean that seriously.

 

 

 

I'd rather have 1000 autobots online, than 1 racist.

 

 

 

disgusting.

Banning all of China by IP wouldn't be "racist". It would be a reaction to BAD BEHAVIOR, not prejudice based on race.

 

 

 

Not every action taken against a group is necessarily "racism".

 

 

 

That said, it would also be both unfair and futile. It wouldn't stop the problem and would just penalize a lot of innocent people.

 

 

 

Why do we need to resort to such draconian measures when Jagex doesn't even do simple things that they already could?

 

 

 

Simple heuristics could be built into the client to catch easily detectable forms of botting. Jagex clearly has none, or doesn't consider this a priority. Consider how many people use autotypers -- it would be trivially easy to flag and ban this behavior, but Jagex not only doesn't do that, it ignores reports of autotypers.

 

 

 

They don't care about bots and autoing nearly as much as they'd like us to believe.

Yeah, banning IPs from China would do the trick. I don't think it is possible to use proxies with java.

 

 

 

This might be our anti-bot miracle solution O.o

 

 

 

And so are you, if u also mean that seriously.

 

 

 

I'd rather have 1000 autobots online, than 1 racist.

 

 

 

disgusting.

 

 

 

Several games block IPs from certain countries because people from those countries are not meant to be playing their game. Most commonly, games meant from european gamers will block all IPS that are not from Europe. It's not because they do this that suddenly they become evil racists from hell. This is nothing new, stop making such a fuss about it.

The bot issue has several facets:

 

 

 

A lot of players really couldn't care less about bots, RWT etc. other than for the resource competition issue - for them, simply reducing the damage bots do is enough - eg. the store update that prevented bot-buyout.

 

 

 

The wilderness update now looks like another ham-fisted anti-bot update preventing both honest players and green dragon bots from using monster cover.

 

 

 

Overall, the problem with bot-banning is the ease of replacement, so some restriction on new accounys is needed:

 

1. Require an email, and verify it against some lists of forum abuse emails, those which are "easy-come, easy go"

 

2. Have a CAPTCHA, a good one (maybe Recaptcha)

 

3. Restrict account creation, no more than 2 per IP per day

 

4. Bar certain ranges altogether - naybe bar China, Korea etc. from new account creation, and bar known proxies.

 

 

 

Finally, there's the "cripple RWT" approach, and given their destruction of staking, it seems that nothing is safe.

 

 

 

The exchange sets a benchmark of "fair" trading, though it is skewed by many factors. It is also anonymous, making RWT impossible on the exchange.

 

 

 

I guess the next step is not just to look suspiciously at unbalanced trades, but to ban them altogether, or allow only 1 or 2 per day and a greater number of smaller gifts.

 

 

 

 

 

This still leaves PK and death by monster - and maybe the delayed death pile in monster death may be a precursor to other steps. There is also the nervous awiating of the gravestone, and what that will mean to PK.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is one basic question....

 

 

 

What worries you most, bots, or what Jagex's next move against them will be?

 

 

 

I agree with banning Chinese and Korean ranges from RS, but some people in North America can set up gold selling companies and still continue their work. I am pretty sure there are a couple of gold selling sites or so that are North American based.

 

 

 

Considering how easy it is to change an IP address and your e-mail, this probably won't work. Most people with basic knowledge of computers could do a google search on how to change your IP, so they could theoretically get past the 2 accounts per IP a day limit, and considering how these companies are HUGE, and have lots of computers in their sweatshops, if they get IP banned, they probably use separate and not domain IP's, so basically just 1 IP per computer in that instance.

 

 

 

I don't know what a CAPTCHA is, please Elaborate on that....

 

I agree with RWT being impossible on the exchange, so I am not going to worry about that point.

 

 

 

I am going to research on the gravestone idea and come back for you on that.

 

 

 

Overall though, I agree that most of your points may be effective in holding back bots and are valid and perhaps easy to implement, considering Jagex's coding experience and whatnot. :)

I'd jump for joy considering I have about 5 accounts. But I can understand the problems.

 

 

 

*HOWEVER* they could make a sytem where each player gets to *create* (or something like this) 2 accounts a month which can be given to friends. Runescape would still grow, bots would be fewer and easier to ban, majority of people would be happy.

 

 

 

And I skipped pages 2 and 3 so if someone said, sorry!

How bout we DON'T lose our new accounts and we DO get rid of the macros? Idc about the price jump -- I provide those materials :D

It might just work if Jagex shuts down creating new accounts for say two months. In that sort of time gold farmers and bots would move on to the next game. I like the idea. Sure it would hurt the growth for two months, but it would give Jagex and honest players time to turn things around.

How about cell-phone verification for every account created...

 

I know on a lot of sites, to register completely, you need to type in your cell phone number and then they will text you an activation code.

 

 

 

Jagex could set it up so that 1 cell phone could create 3 accounts, that way families could all play (3 should be enough, but even if its not, most families have more than 1 cell) and/or you could create a seperate account.

 

 

 

It would also eliminate a lot of players <13 years old, which I'm not sure Jagex would want, even though most people would... they don't seem to be doing much to prevent them...

 

 

 

I like this idea a lot.

 

 

 

I was thinking that there should some kind of quota for the day. This means that only X accounts could be created per day across all servers.

 

 

 

Another idea that I had would be some kind of waiting period, maybe twelve hours. At the beginning of the waiting period you would need to give an e-mail address and after the time was up you would be given an activation code that you would use to log in for the first time. You could only create one account per e-mail, meaning that you could only create one account every twelve hours. Another variation of this would be that one e-mail account could only make one RuneScape account per week. This would be very inconvenient for people who make bot accounts unless they had hundreds of e-mail accounts.