What is wrong with "buying" skills?

[morgarf]

I think this is bad that they nerfed chins. All skills are kind of buyable, so cash is also a matter of xp/hour. Even with strength, xp is related to weapons used eg. if you use very cheap d scimmy with rune defender or much more expensive godsowrd. Rich players always will have some advantage, just becouse they are rich, can afford "everything" and don't have to count gp.

 

They will be still getting 99 ranged, but are now more likely to invest in armadyl armour and some bolts instead of chins. They will also make cash, not lose.

 

 

 

In conclusion the only victims of that nerf are poor (and not only) hunters. Whlie these need work to earn cash, otherwise who would all the hilts, saradomin swords and many various armours? People with paht sets doesn't need 10th AGS...

[999134]

what about the people who got a free 400mil from a drop party and spend it on loads of 99 skills?

 

oh and btw didnt you know its illigal to use your brain on runescape!

[999134]

Does it take someone respected to tell you or are you all just sucking up to muggi?

 

I could care less over someone's internet fame.

 

 

 

I have my own opinion, I've been trying to tell people who think that power training a skill is pointless they're [bleep] idiots. You have 40M, keep 25M in the bank at all times, why not use that 25M to get a Dragonfire Shield, or would the anti skill buyers stick with the Rune Defender because it takes time to get and you can't buy it.

 

 

 

you know people keep rune defender because of its accuracy bonus as well?

[blazerethief]

i dont see anything wrong with buying skills as long as you dont rwt i am \ with that,plus the people that dont buy them se it better to work fo it :thumbsup:

[brando13a]

@xSxqPowerx- just to clarify, perhaps i did come on a bit strong on people spending a solid week or two playing a game for a 99 skill, but thats just because i have different values of my time, im not discreditting anyone who spends that time, if they have the means to do so thats awesome, I personally dont have the time to get a 99, and probably never will, but thats me. I dont mis-appreciate what people have done and gone through to get a 99 skill, its alot of work, so sorry if i offended you, but my post was a personal opinion, yes im an egotistical jerk, but that doesnt mean i dont value what other people have done (as it says in my post)

 

 

 

on topic- uhmm. Good job on 99's everyone! some people dont deserve to buy a skill, other people are smart for doing so, its all up to personal preference, do what it takes to make YOU proud of your accomplishment, other people can suck on a donkey &*#!^% if they dont like it. dont try to impress other people if it makes you feel bad doing it. (just so we're straight this is about getting 99's, not some dr. Phil moment. seriously.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Brando the Magnificent~ Slacker

[hohto]

Just because cooking and fletching are buyable skills people don't respect them. But they then go on to praise other buyable skills such as prayer, smithing, and herblore.

 

 

 

So in the other words you don't see any difference between using 2m and 200m on a skill? I personally see a damn huge difference and I assume tens of thousands of other people do too as there's a huge difference between 99 cooks and 99 smithers. Buyable or not, you still gotta remember that gaining the money to buy the skill actually takes time and efford.

 

 

 

You also said about buying the skills because of capes. This is only half way truth: some people actually train skills to have 99 in it, not to have just another cape which you're never going to wear anyways.

[Lord_Shalaj]

The only thing that has changed is that the insane experience you used to get from range is now reduced. Well, Ape atoll has been made worthless, but isn't there still Mummies in the Chaos tunnels?

 

 

 

Agreed that Mummies don't provide the same xp as the zombie monkeys, but they aren't that bad for you to come out here and break hell lose that jagex hates money, hates range, and hates players.

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

[tennisnick12]

To be honest I don't see a difference between spending 2 million and 200 million on a buyable skill. Most of the people who spend 2 million on cooking or fletching are spending most of their money on that skill. The same can be said for the people who spend 200 million on a skill. They spend almost all the money that they have.

 

Why should wealth be respected in runescape? Anybody could go get lucky and come into money. Would you respect someone who wins the lottery? Most people would not, because it took nothing but luck. So why respect people in runescape who prove their wealth through skillcapes. If you can prove that a person cut yews, mined ess, mined coal, or some other tiring task earning 200 million then I will respect them.

[Blingkachi50]

People are either stupid or ignorant, they don't take the time to figure that time = money as you've explained. They're also mad that they were the dumb/poor ones and spent 300+ hrs somewhere else, while the smart person with the money they worked hard for, decided he wanted range quickly. Honestly the people that are mad about buyable skills need to [bleep] off :-# .

 

 

 

How am I "dumb/poor" for getting 99 range before this method came out? I got 99 range "the old fashioned" way and have done the 4M experience after that.

 

 

 

I just dislike the method - spend a load of money and get nothing in return. On my way to 99 range I earned myself three party hats, purely from ranging.

 

 

 

Before chins came out there were probably only 2000 99 rangers, if that. Now there's over 10,000. It's just become a less "respected" skill and it also annoys me how some people assume I used chins to get to 99, I spent hours on end at greaters and my "achievement" has been "downgraded" thanks to the chinning method.

 

 

 

I don't hate chins as much, if people earned the money for it (Not by getting lucky at GWD...) or got the chins themselves then fair enough. It just seems every man and his dog has 99 range these days and 75% of those used chins to get there.

 

 

 

I"m sorry, I should of clarified more here. If you're rich and decide to get a skill the long and cheap way that's your choice, it just bothers me when someone that didn't have the choice to get it the fast and expensive way gets pissed that someone that did have the choice, took the fast way.

[Atom Smash40]

To be honest I don't see a difference between spending 2 million and 200 million on a buyable skill. Most of the people who spend 2 million on cooking or fletching are spending most of their money on that skill. The same can be said for the people who spend 200 million on a skill. They spend almost all the money that they have.

 

Why should wealth be respected in runescape? Anybody could go get lucky and come into money. Would you respect someone who wins the lottery? Most people would not, because it took nothing but luck. So why respect people in runescape who prove their wealth through skillcapes. If you can prove that a person cut yews, mined ess, mined coal, or some other tiring task earning 200 million then I will respect them.

 

 

 

omg yes this is everything im talking about. plus, I agree that if the person got all raw materials instead if buying them, then I will respect them

[Jholm93]

Does it take someone respected to tell you or are you all just sucking up to muggi?

 

I could care less over someone's internet fame.

 

 

 

I have my own opinion, I've been trying to tell people who think that power training a skill is pointless they're [bleep] idiots. You have 40M, keep 25M in the bank at all times, why not use that 25M to get a Dragonfire Shield, or would the anti skill buyers stick with the Rune Defender because it takes time to get and you can't buy it.

 

 

 

you know people keep rune defender because of its accuracy bonus as well?

 

^ It really makes me wonder why people choose a dragonfire shield over a rune defender even if they're killing something as harmless as fire giants or bloodveld. If you're in a place where you need that extra defence bonus, clearly that is not the best choice of location to train (unless, of course, you're going slaying metal dragons or something). Guthan's or food to heal occasionally is much better than sacrificing +21/20/19 stab/slash/crush accuracy bonus.

 

 

 

Now to the topic.

 

 

 

If you buy the supplies to get to 99 in a skill the fastest way possible, it is much less of an achievement than if you work hard and earn it.

 

 

 

"But you have to earn the money, too!"

 

 

 

The achievement of getting a skill to 99 is knowing that you committed to it and deserve it. Sure, it requires effort to attain money, but unless you made that money doing that skill, I can't call it an accomplishment. It's called a Cape of Achievement, not a Cape of I Got a Lucky Drop At God Wars or Cape of I Picked One Hundred Thousand Flax or anything like that. In some skills, virtually all you need is money. It requires next to no effort after that.

 

 

 

Take Crafting for example.

 

 

 

You buy 120k black d-leathers. It takes half of a second to use a hide (three hides used per body, each body takes 1.5 seconds) excluding banking. The fastest I have heard it taking is 30 hours. It simply isn't an achievement if you spent just 30 hours doing the actual skill. Hell, I spent 30 hours learning how this game works. It's hard to believe you can "master" a skill in that time.

[TheHunted616]

The only skill I would feel guilty about spending money on raising is firemaking because I hate that skill.

[hohto]

To be honest I don't see a difference between spending 2 million and 200 million on a buyable skill. Most of the people who spend 2 million on cooking or fletching are spending most of their money on that skill. The same can be said for the people who spend 200 million on a skill. They spend almost all the money that they have.

 

 

 

The point is are they spending everything they have, the point is that to get your wealth into certain level is hard.

 

What you're saying is that making money takes no time, efford, patience, pretrained skills or anything. For you it seems that money is air that can be created and it has no real value, other than being the currency in transfering our raw materials. At this point I'd like to ask how wealthy YOU are, seeing that you give zero value to the hardness of gaining wealth.

 

 

 

Why should wealth be respected in runescape? Anybody could go get lucky and come into money. Would you respect someone who wins the lottery? Most people would not, because it took nothing but luck.

 

 

 

A) Gaining the wealth is harder than you're saying. If it wasn't, inflation would have just multiplied the prices and kept the dividation between the rich and the poor or money could be created so easy that time used, efford or pretrained skills didn't bother. I assume you've played this game long enough to understand that gaining for example 50 million gp is harder than getting 99 cooking. Why should I give any respect to 99 cooking (yes, I DO have and have had it for years now) when gaining wealth is harder?

 

 

 

B) What does the lottery have to do with RuneScape? Serious money can be gained through only hard work: either you must work hard on a money making skill/method or you need relatively high pretrained stats. If you look God Wars for example: yea it might be quick money but not everyone can go there due the lack of proper team, stats, equipment or knowledge. After that the possibilities are the same for eveyone and actually it is more about patience than luck to get wealthy. You create your own luck with your own actions

 

 

 

So why respect people in runescape who prove their wealth through skillcapes. If you can prove that a person cut yews, mined ess, mined coal, or some other tiring task earning 200 million then I will respect them.

 

 

 

Why do you respect someone for being too stupid to use better methods of making money? I personally respect those miners, woodcutters and others the same way as I respect people working in McDonald's: I respect the fact that they are working and thus helping the society but I don't respect them when their full career is just doing the most basic stuff you can do.

 

 

 

omg yes this is everything im talking about. plus, I agree that if the person got all raw materials instead if buying them, then I will respect them

 

 

 

When I look at your stats, it doesn't surprise me that you got roughly 5 million total xp less than I have farming xp. While I'm doing things in an efficent way, you're doing them harder on a purpose than they infact are. And anyways, why on earth should I give any respect to someone who makes things so damn much harder than they really are? I don't give any respect to the guy who lights his cig with a fire made with stones either.

[Obtaurian]

And anyways, why on earth should I give any respect to someone who makes things so damn much harder than they really are? I don't give any respect to the guy who lights his cig with a fire made with stones either.

 

 

 

QFT.

 

 

 

Any man with a quote from Varg Vikernes in his signature demands attention and respect. Or a straitjacket. Either way.

[FoxTricks]

I think part of it may be that "back then" you didn't have all these options to train quicker you do now. You had to do it the hard way or not at all.

 

 

 

I guess it's just some people find it annoying. :|

[meili]

*sigh* I don't know anymore. I trained my stats the old way, before Rs2 so everything nowadays seems very, very easy. Stupidly easy sometimes. Not like before when I got 99 it was a huge achievement. Now its like ...uh yeah not a big deal anymore.

 

 

 

In general there is nothing "wrong" with buying skills, I do it myself but I have to say that super-fast exp just makes things too easy.

[Animaslayer]

Nothing is wrong with buying a skill, and then again nothing is wrong doing it the old fashioned way with bows and arrows or whatever else you can think of.

 

 

 

People on both sides of the argument will never agree.

 

 

 

I got 99 strength with a dragon scimitar and a few months of playing, training strength and doing non strength related things.

 

 

 

So I'd Probably have people saying "hey dude you did it the old fashioned way with a d scim! good on you" blah blah

 

 

 

but on the otherhand I'd have people saying " oh you stupid noob you should of pced with a godsword!"

 

 

 

but the fact was i enjoyed the skill and enjoy the reward because I wanted 99 strength as soon as I got it to around 30 in F2P just because I liked training the skill

 

 

 

Heck if someone wants to blow some what 250M on summoning, pray, con or whatever else let them do it, they have control of the money and have the right to do whatever they want with it.

[time2quit]

Right now in my RS life i have the ability to fund power leveling and then once there enjoy the reward. I chose range and am currently 89/99. I like chins.

 

 

 

Now off me and back on topic. Why when your in that position should you be 'flamed' for useing your money to fast-track the training path? It is the HEALTHY thing to do. I'm sorry but if you spend 200/300+ hours infront of a computer training a skill when you can do it in 50 you really need your head examining, and shouldn't demand online respect for it but demand a good hour or two with a doctor... And you definatly shouldn't have a go at the people who did take the short route.

 

 

 

Playing this game smart is not something to be looked down on. End of the day RS isn't the be all and end all of life; if you find that it is and you think spending an extra 150 hours on a game when you could have saved yourself that time to do something else ingame or out of the game, maybe you should take a break?

[mario_sunny]

You make your money by rc'ing nats and you make about 300k an hour. You just got a berserker ring from Rex and you go to world 2 to sell it. You want to sell it for 3M, but the highest that anybody is offering is 2.9M. So you wait, and wait, and wait, and wait some more... an hour later you find someone who buys it off you for 3M. Here's why that is bad: you just spent an hour doing nothing only to save 100k. It only takes you 20 minutes of rc'ing to earn 100k, yet you spent a whole hour saving the money. If you had sold the ring within 20 minutes or sooner, it would've been a good deal. But since you didn't, you were better off selling it cheap then rc'ing :P

 

 

 

Thank you!

 

 

 

Finally someone realizes that time really is money. That paragraph just about summed it up.

[mrpez]

everything! buying a skill doesnt take the effort of collecting all the materials like real players do. if you want 99 construction, cut all the wood and make it into planks yourself; dont buy it! if you want 99 magic make all the runes yourself!

 

 

 

buying is skill is like being one of those damn pc products!

[child_sycopath]

I think you should be able to buy skills, You've worked hard for the money, You should be able to use it to speed up your training. You work as hard making the money as you would collecting the materials, You cant get money from nowhere nowdays. You have to do somthing to get it, Wether its runecrafting, Woodcutting, Fletching, Or even just picking flax.

 

 

 

I think mrpez is one of those people who likes to do it all for himself, But im sure if he had the option of saving himself alot of time(Afew days/ weeks) at the cost of 5M he would.

[Y2g2003]

When I first started, I had friends that would buy skills. It really wasn't my cup of tea. I had a bit of a love for the game, where I was really into the aspects of doing everything that there is to do when making a product. In my case, my skill of choice when I started was mining/smithing. While others would buy their ores and smelt... I was more into investing time in gathering my materials and making it 100% by myself.

 

 

 

With newer updates, some of which I didn't even get to dabble in until almost a year after they were released (IE: Blast Furnace)... I found really big profits when I mined all of my ore and coal. Then I ran out of ore that I had stored up for the winter and I started crunching numbers. If I bought my Mith ore and mined my coal, I would still be making profits. So that's what I did. And if I'm correct I basically doubled my money.

 

 

 

I'm on the fence when it comes to buying skills. Is it smart? Sure. Does it save time? Definitely. Does that make it right? Eh... if you're maybe making money buying materials... I could probably see it... if you're blowing money buying materials and losing money with the end product I'd have to say I'm against it. If you are investing money in something and you're really only doing about 50%, or less, of the work that you would be doing otherwise... I'd have to say that it's really just bad form. Prayer is a prime example. If all you have to do is buy bones and burry them by just clicking on them (or whatever the popular method is now)... I feel something is wrong with that picture.

 

 

 

At the end of the day, the saying "To each his own" is all that it comes down to.

[Oscariina]

There is nothing wrong in buying a skill if you have earned the money yourself. But if you used RWT to buy the money and then buy the skill then that is pathetic :shame:

 

Of course that is a minor problem now.

[tennisnick12]

Hohto I completely respect you as an rs player and a poster on the tip.it forums. My previous posts might have been slightly scatterbrained. An Fyi for you in not rich at all i only have 20-25 million. I am always just a tad sceptical of how some rs players earn and earned their money before the december update. I think just think that cooking and fletching should not be so hated on as the easiest buyable skills. I just think people mainly get mad when people buy these skills and range, but not other more expensive skills. I respect non-buyable skills such as slayer, agility, runecrafting, mining, and melee skills the most.

[Zierro]

There is nothing wrong in buying a skill if you have earned the money yourself. But if you used RWT to buy the money and then buy the skill then that is pathetic :shame:

 

Of course that is a minor problem now.

 

 

 

Yeah, as long as you made the money fair, I think it's okay to buy skills. The thing is, almost everyone's definition of "fair" differs.