Barrow's Magic Number

[Mecakoto]

[hide=My Logic. (If you post of how this is blasphemy without reading this, your post will mean nothing)]I, like many who are reading this, am a gamer. A hard core, die-hard, give-it-everything-you-have-and-more gamer. Through years of experience, knowlage comes naturally. That, and curiosity of how things work within and during a game. I have found that, save for very rare occurrences, numbers that have effect on events in a game are rarely not related to another number that relatively close to to the original event number base. Allow me to explain...

 

 

 

A is a base number that can be manually altered by a person through various means.

 

B is the thing that an alteration of A can change.

 

C is a value that involves B, but isn't supposed to be affected by A, or is affected very little.

 

 

 

A's value is x1, while B is y1 and C is y2. Based on complex factors and equations of luck, the value of x can be changed to a value that causes the final luck equation to meet a climax of factors influencing luck in your favor. This is called luck manipulation. Both y1 and y2 MAY be affected by the final equation's values, which can be manipulated by x's value.

 

 

 

Now, generally, every action you do in a game can have an effect on the final outcome's value. This value is x2, and is always changing. If you try pressing or holding a button down when playing a game that involves "luck," you may have something happen in your favor, or to your distaste.

 

 

 

So, luck manipulation by pressing buttons... Here is your crash course. (Skip this if you want)

 

 

 

To do this, simply press a button or do an action. That is it. Remember the Megaman series? You can change a drop from an enemy by shooting an enemy earlier or later. You can change it's drop from anything to nothing, to a free life. You can see this in RPG games to a bigger effect. Want an enemy's unblock-able attack to miss? Try pressing any button right before the damage comes up.

 

 

 

The reason you should try this in general playing is to make life easier. That's basically it.

 

 

 

Anyone can test it by repeating an action with the same timing, but altering button presses for a few frames. Best done on Emulators with Savestates.

 

 

 

If you don't have access to one, start any game from a save point and hold a button to any direction. When you get to an enemy, kill it. Then repeat it, only letting the enemy survive a longer or shorter time. If the enemy has a drop, you will get something diffrent if you wait a bit.

 

 

 

I do not recommend this for trying in an online game, as doing this activity is impossible to tell the timing for it because you don't start from a save point. The closest you can get to this is altering values you can control, such as x1.[/hide]

 

 

 

Now, Jagex has stated that the Kill Count at Barrows does not affect item drops. It may be that they were trying to avoid this sort of thing, or it is an unintended error in the game. Either way, I have found that an 11 kill count has a very high Rune/Rack/Barrows item drop rate. My longest dry run with an 11 Kill count is 17.

 

 

 

Now, I am not very lucky in Runescape. I've killed thousands of Black dragons, Hundreds of King's and Metals, and my best drops have been a D Med and a Dragon Skirt from a Steel and Iron respectively. The Rarest drop from the Black drags was a single Dragonstone. My charicters luck value is low. Now, either I have ungodly luck in Barrows, or something is working for me.

 

 

 

Keeping in mind that this is a discussion thread of my discovery (or lack thereof,) I would ask some people with long dry runs, or people who Barrow quite a bit, to try the 11 Kill count for a while and report back the results. It may even be that there is a Kill count luckier then 11, or it might change from person to person based on other factors. I'm not sure entirely how it works for Runescape yet. This will all come in time.

 

 

 

Please, have an open mind. It will allow for more discoveries, or further discoveries such as this, at Barrows and beyond.

 

 

 

I'm off for the night, so... K.

[Wallettheif]

I think you're right, I believe I got my spear and dh platebody at 11 kc

[Omali]

There are ways to manipulate the "randomness" of runescape.

 

 

 

Going somewhat off topic, I've found that taking out the fixed device and going into the first person aiming mode, and circling myself numerous times, clicking quite a bit, I will end up with a random event coming out of that first person view a majority of times.

[InkofDeath]

Unlike other games in RuneScape you can't test one theory or equation that looks like it fits.

 

 

 

For Barrows you need at least 100 people doing at least 4k or more runs, with the same kill count, to actually prove your theory correct. If not you're just stating what everyone else has said.

 

 

 

The evidence you're presenting though is still based on what you have, and there's tons of possibilities how different types of accounts affect drop rates.

 

 

 

Regardless an 11 to 15 kill count has always been a popular range, so it could still be a coincidence. Anyways someone else did extensive research on it, and had a lot of data from numerous people. Don't know where the topic is.

[999134]

well i got 2 d meds when they where 700k each with 15 kc

 

(items from chest that are worth more than a full barrows set ftw!) \

[SirHartlar]

well i got 2 d meds when they where 700k each with 15 kc

 

(items from chest that are worth more than a full barrows set ftw!) \

 

 

 

If you got the d meds when they were worth 700k each then a full set of Barrows would've been waaay more costly than that. :|

 

 

 

I used to get over 11 KC, but then I read Leesters guide saying to get 21. I didn't notice an improvement so I don't think it is actually that important.

[999134]

well i got 2 d meds when they where 700k each with 15 kc

 

(items from chest that are worth more than a full barrows set ftw!) \

 

 

 

If you got the d meds when they were worth 700k each then a full set of Barrows would've been waaay more costly than that. :|

 

 

 

I used to get over 11 KC, but then I read Leesters guide saying to get 21. I didn't notice an improvement so I don't think it is actually that important.

 

 

 

nah i remember at the exact time i got the med torag crashed and i bought torags with the money from the meds :)

[SirHartlar]

well i got 2 d meds when they where 700k each with 15 kc

 

(items from chest that are worth more than a full barrows set ftw!) \

 

 

 

If you got the d meds when they were worth 700k each then a full set of Barrows would've been waaay more costly than that. :|

 

 

 

I used to get over 11 KC, but then I read Leesters guide saying to get 21. I didn't notice an improvement so I don't think it is actually that important.

 

 

 

nah i remember at the exact time i got the med torag crashed and i bought torags with the money from the meds :)

 

 

 

Ohh you meant the two meds together were more than a set? Yeah, I can possibly believe that especially if you mean Torags, but D Meds haven't been up to 700k in ages. The best price I ever got my Barrowed ones for was about 450k.

[tintin113]

I'm not convinced tbh. :|

 

 

 

If somehow you'd ended up at 13 I may have agreed seeing as I got all my drops (see sigs) in about 40 chests at 13 kc, but really I think that was just luck.

[Italian5kamikaze]

Well how do you know you wouldnt have gotten the same items or even more with only the 6kc you get from killing the brother?

[tintin113]

Well how do you know you wouldnt have gotten the same items or even more with only the 6kc you get from killing the brother?

 

 

 

^ Exactly. Until you try every possible kc (and it goes up to 4000) about 1000 times each, you will never know which kc is the best. Even if you try them all 1000 times, what with barrows items being quite rare it could still be down to luck. All you've really done is made an explanation of the game theory and then said: I got lucky with 13! Thus it must be the magic number!

[nightshade53]

Well how do you know you wouldnt have gotten the same items or even more with only the 6kc you get from killing the brother?

 

 

 

^ Exactly. Until you try every possible kc (and it goes up to 4000) about 1000 times each, you will never know which kc is the best. Even if you try them all 1000 times, what with barrows items being quite rare it could still be down to luck. All you've really done is made an explanation of the game theory and then said: I got lucky with 13! Thus it must be the magic number!

 

 

 

Actually kc goes upto 9999, then it says "Too many!" if you kill another. I like getting 30 KC using crumble undead on the skeletons, 35k Mage XP/ 4 runs per hour

[tintin113]

Well how do you know you wouldnt have gotten the same items or even more with only the 6kc you get from killing the brother?

 

 

 

^ Exactly. Until you try every possible kc (and it goes up to 4000) about 1000 times each, you will never know which kc is the best. Even if you try them all 1000 times, what with barrows items being quite rare it could still be down to luck. All you've really done is made an explanation of the game theory and then said: I got lucky with 13! Thus it must be the magic number!

 

 

 

Actually kc goes upto 9999, then it says "Too many!" if you kill another. I like getting 30 KC using crumble undead on the skeletons, 35k Mage XP/ 4 runs per hour

 

 

 

Oh yeah lol, I was thinking of GWD. :roll:

 

 

 

Still, it's far too much kc to test out thoroughly. (sp?)

[imaerehw14]

I think it's just random. If you do it right, you have a 1/10 chance of getting an item, so your 14 run dry streak is where it should be, or possible too high.

 

 

 

on 13 KC I have gotten 47 drops. 4 were spears, about 5 were V Helms, 4-6 were G Helms. I dont think KC has anything to do with it, other than runes. Just make sure you have killed all the brothers before you loot.

[xSxqPowerx]

Total coincidence.

 

 

 

Each of the brothers can drop a piece of their own armour, therefore anything more than the 6 brother kills will not affect a barrows drop (but, to a point, it will affect runes and stuff)

[Lego_luke]

I think it's just random. If you do it right, you have a 1/10 chance of getting an item, so your 14 run dry streak is where it should be, or possible too high.

 

 

 

on 13 KC I have gotten 47 drops. 4 were spears, about 5 were V Helms, 4-6 were G Helms. I dont think KC has anything to do with it, other than runes. Just make sure you have killed all the brothers before you loot.

 

 

 

Jagex have released quite a while ago, unless changed since, that the chance of getting an item is 1 item every 108 brothers killed on average. If you kill all 6 brothers each run, thats an average of 1 item every 18 runs. So his average of every 14 runs is very good.

 

 

 

Also to the poster above me, I'm fairly sure (like 95% sure) that brothers can drop armor pieces of the other brothers, and not just their own.

[No_99_Melee]

I've gotten:

 

 

 

8 g spears

 

9 g helms

 

6 v helms

 

2 dh helms

 

Countless other items

 

 

 

All random kill counts above and below 11.... some even at 11. Explain that?

[Kenshinjapan]

I've gotten:

 

 

 

8 g spears

 

9 g helms

 

6 v helms

 

2 dh helms

 

Countless other items

 

 

 

All random kill counts above and below 11.... some even at 11. Explain that?

 

 

 

He can't. No one can. People need to realize that there's no magic number that gets a spear every run.

[No_99_Melee]

I've gotten:

 

 

 

8 g spears

 

9 g helms

 

6 v helms

 

2 dh helms

 

Countless other items

 

 

 

All random kill counts above and below 11.... some even at 11. Explain that?

 

 

 

He can't. No one can. People need to realize that there's no magic number that gets a spear every run.

 

 

 

Exactly. The kill count is like a ring of wealth. You can never see it in action so you can never be totally sure it had an effect.

[BloodArgon]

I've gotten:

 

 

 

8 g spears

 

9 g helms

 

6 v helms

 

2 dh helms

 

Countless other items

 

 

 

All random kill counts above and below 11.... some even at 11. Explain that?

 

 

 

He can't. No one can. People need to realize that there's no magic number that gets a spear every run.

 

 

 

Exactly. The kill count is like a ring of wealth. You can never see it in action so you can never be totally sure it had an effect.

 

 

 

Except that jagex tells us it does.

 

 

 

And Im sure knowlage comes real easy for you.

 

(knowledge)

[Azurechaos]

I think my lucky number might be 12... although ive been on a looong dry since i got my 4th spear. I'll give 11 a shot for a little while.

 

 

 

[edit] just got dh plate on 11 kc lol.

[buzz_knight]

isn't only the barrow brothers who affect the drop, not Kc?

 

 

 

so that would say the magic number is anything above the 6 barrow brothers :thumbsup:

[Wee_Man317]

To be honest i don't even look at my killcount, i kill the brothers, then some random stuff that attacks down there, so far i've had 2 verac's skirts, 1 ahrim's staff 1 karil's crossbow 1 guthan's skirt and 1 dharok's great axe, all with random kill counts between 1-30.

 

 

 

I believe barrows is all luck, i don't believe there is an exact drop ratio, the same with metal dragons, it's random.

 

 

 

Some people killed 5k steel dragons, no drops...i killed 5 and got a visage, cruel world?

 

 

 

Exactly the same at barrows, i heard of someone hitting 25+ dry streak, others get items on their first trip...

[NukeMarine]

I love how Barrow's has gone down to almost a science. As for the "magic" number, here's my take:

 

 

 

It doesn't help your chance of armor drops. It gives you the best ratio of reward/effort is all. At 11, you've maxed out the non-armor drops that creatures offered.

 

 

 

PS: Anyone remember the first day of Barrows where every other run you could get a half key, and a not too uncommon Dragon Medium drop? Great day for prayer pot makers.

[saif]

my number's 13..got most of my drops at 13