Another Anti-Gameplay Update from Jagex

[Omali]

Zierro, Madmanpu3: if I see anything more from either of you, you'll be seeing a lot more than a warning on a thread. I asked you guys to stop flaming and you don't seem to be making much of an effort to just drop it and get back to the main topic. If this thread gets anymore flames from anybody, it's probably going to be locked.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Flame wars generally erupt due to the quality of the thread and the behavior of the original poster. In this case, it's another generic thread intended to do nothing but whine, call Jagex out for the usual hating their customers and trying to destroy the game, then flaming anyone who disagrees.

 

 

 

You should just put this thread out of its misery and lock it now. There's no discussion value that has or will come out of a thread that encompasses ntohing but "omg Jagex hate us", and (to me) it just looks like a bait thread trying to incite this flame war; clearly it was successful.

 

 

 

Successful troll was successful

[Historik2]

Flame wars generally erupt due to the quality of the thread and the behavior of the original poster. In this case, it's another generic thread intended to do nothing but whine, call Jagex out for the usual hating their customers and trying to destroy the game, then flaming anyone who disagrees.

 

 

 

You should just put this thread out of its misery and lock it now. There's no discussion value that has or will come out of a thread that encompasses ntohing but "omg Jagex hate us", and (to me) it just looks like a bait thread trying to incite this flame war; clearly it was successful.

 

 

 

Successful troll was successful

 

 

 

Omali, I feel that plenty of valuable discussing has come out of this thread. If you take a second to look back at previous posts you will see good points brought up on both sides. Your attempt to have my post locked seems to be more an issue of you wishing to silence my valid opinion, rather than relevance to any forum rules.

 

 

 

To carry on this discussion, you will notice that Jagex released another update today. That update contained absolutely no mention of what is happening with the disabled Bounty Hunter craters. This makes nearly 1 week since they closed the craters, and there is no sign of when it will be opened.

 

 

 

It really makes you wonder what they are thinking over at Jagex. Bounty Hunter has been largely unchanged for a year, and yet it seems to have only registered on their radar in the past month that there are people using it to transfer. They've had over 12 months to figure out this update, and yet it seems they have not even thought about it until very recently. For Jagex to feel they must suddenly disable the minigame while they work on an update which should have been worked on ages ago (from the standpoint that it is necessary) is an extreme insult to the players. If the situation were so dire, why has it taken them a year to fix it? Are we suddenly supposed to agree that Bounty Hunter is killing Runescape at such a pace that having it open for another week could seriously harm the game? I think not.

 

 

 

It is just such an unnecessary move by Jagex, that is what I am trying to convey. The amount of time and effort they are putting into stopping a few players from using the one remaining F2P world on Bounty Hunter for transferring is just completely absurd. There are so much better ways to use your money (and yes, they are using YOUR money). Jagex said one year ago that their massive anti-gameplay updates were unfortunate but absolutely necessary due to credit card fraud. As much as I disliked them, and wished they hadn't happened, I do realize that a problem like CC fraud is one which must be dealt with promptly. It is one of the very few reasons to make such updates, one which affected the company at every level, and threatened their very existence. That is why we must not confuse this one with the 2007/08 trading update.

 

 

 

This update is completely different in the sense that it will actually do more to increase credit card fraud than it will to deter it, due to an obvious increase in gold-farming and macroing resulting from the closure of BH. If you can't transfer it, you're gonna have to earn it. If you don't have time to earn it yourself, you're gonna have to bot it. If you don't have a bot, you're gonna need to hire a gold-farmer to farm it. Although you may all see this as terrible rule-breaking, the fact is that people are lazy, and Runescape is a game which has an abnormally large amount of grinding involved. People are not going to change their ways, if they want to buy gold or buy training, they're not going to be stopped by any updates.

 

 

 

I think that it is very important to put these opinions out there. Jagex has obviously not thought much about what they are doing, these Bounty Hunter changes seem to be very impulsive. This is made obvious by their lack of planning towards the BH updates, and their delays on releasing the new "improved" (lol) version of the minigame.

[Misterknowitall]

Is it really such a harm to the game if BH was closed for another couple of weeks? I think not.

 

 

 

Now for something completely different

 

Every resistance against the trade limit is futile.

 

 

 

If even a couple of people are using BH as a backdoor, it has to be stopped. Otherwise more and more traffic will occur.

 

JAGeX staff are only human (I hope) and they needed time to think of something that would stop RWT'ing and still leave most RS players satisfied. I really doubt that JAGeX wants to create more anti-RWT riots.

 

If you can think of such an update in a week or a month, then you should go to JAGeX HQ and apply for a job.

[Sir_Kurity]

Yes, removing bh for a few days/weeks doesn't mean they will make it worse, it could potentially become much better.

 

 

 

Go rant when it happens, or when you have proof that its going to happen (post from a mod, etc). Not speculating before it happens.

[Omali]

 

Omali, I feel that plenty of valuable discussing has come out of this thread. If you take a second to look back at previous posts you will see good points brought up on both sides. Your attempt to have my post locked seems to be more an issue of you wishing to silence my invalid opinion, rather than relevance to any forum rules.

 

 

 

Fixed.

 

 

 

To carry on this discussion, you will notice that Jagex released another update today. That update contained absolutely no mention of what is happening with the disabled Bounty Hunter craters. This makes nearly 1 week since they closed the craters, and there is no sign of when it will be opened.

 

 

 

*raises hand* I know! When they're finished!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jagex not releasing the update earlier does not equate to them not knowing about the real world trading.

 

 

 

For Jagex to feel they must suddenly disable the minigame while they work on an update which should have been worked on ages ago (from the standpoint that it is necessary) is an extreme insult to the players.

 

 

 

Only an insult if you're the kind of whiny little kid who takes offense to things like "omg dey changed uh pixul culur in the board in lumbrige. JAGEX U N0BS". How is this insulting? Oh right, preteen sensitivity.

 

 

 

If the situation were so dire, why has it taken them a year to fix it? Are we suddenly supposed to agree that Bounty Hunter is killing Runescape at such a pace that having it open for another week could seriously harm the game? I think not.

 

 

 

Who said the situation is dire? They had to close down Bounty Hunter to keep players safe while they fixed a bug, and they saw an opportunity while doing that to fix a few other issues they were having. It's like doing the dishes and, while you're doing them, realizing you need to shut off the machine for a while to clean the crumbs out from behind it.

 

 

 

It is just such an unnecessary move by Jagex, that is what I am trying to convey. The amount of time and effort they are putting into stopping a few players from using the one remaining F2P world on Bounty Hunter for transferring is just completely absurd. There are so much better ways to use your money (and yes, they are using YOUR money). Jagex said one year ago that their massive anti-gameplay updates were unfortunate but absolutely necessary due to credit card fraud. As much as I disliked them, and wished they hadn't happened, I do realize that a problem like CC fraud is one which must be dealt with promptly. It is one of the very few reasons to make such updates, one which affected the company at every level, and threatened their very existence. That is why we must not confuse this one with the 2007/08 trading update.

 

 

 

1. That's not up to you to decide, last I checked you don't own anything in the game, it's not your perogative.

 

2. Who said they're putting a lot of time and effort in? These changes should take a small team a week or two to figure out, as opposed to most other updates that take a few months.

 

3. To stop the one remaining world historik uses to trade munies, maybe?

 

4. Let's not forget that the other reason they're doing this is to fix the gameplay aspects of bounty hunter, like the pairing.

 

5. Who says this isn't to do with credit card fraud? Who says the banks didn't come back to them again and say "Jagex, we thought we made it clear the first time. Get rid of this [bleep] or you're finished. Again."

 

 

 

This update is completely different in the sense that it will actually do more to increase credit card fraud than it will to deter it, due to an obvious increase in gold-farming and macroing resulting from the closure of BH. If you can't transfer it, you're gonna have to earn it. If you don't have time to earn it yourself, you're gonna have to bot it. If you don't have a bot, you're gonna need to hire a gold-farmer to farm it. Although you may all see this as terrible rule-breaking, the fact is that people are lazy, and Runescape is a game which has an abnormally large amount of grinding involved. People are not going to change their ways, if they want to buy gold or buy training, they're not going to be stopped by any updates.

 

 

 

Gold farming and macroing will increase from the closure of BH-whut? Nice logic, never forget how many people end up getting banned for botting, buying accounts, or having theirs powerleveled (Need I bring up little timmy?).

 

 

 

Real world Trading is never going to stop, but it can be contained so that most of the idiots who do it are banned.

 

 

 

I think that it is very important to put these opinions out there. Jagex has obviously not thought much about what they are doing, these Bounty Hunter changes seem to be very impulsive. This is made obvious by their lack of planning towards the BH updates, and their delays on releasing the new "improved" (lol) version of the minigame.

 

 

 

The update is on impulse, yes, but not for the reasons you'd like to tell yourself. Like I already said, they closed it down to prevent people from crashing other players and killing them, then saw an opportunity to fix these.

 

 

 

 

 

The thing I'd like to know is; people did nothing but [bleep] at how much Bounty Hunter sucks, and now that Jagex closes it down to fix it, everyone and their brother is a mega-BH fan and is going to baw and cry if they don't get to hunt their bounty. Get over yourselves, kiddies. Go play the other 99% of the game while you wait, rather than sit on message boards and spam "omg jadax haets us dey r liek destroing BH BAAWWW". Grow up, get a spine, stop trying to take a moral highground that doesn't exist.

 

 

 

I'd also like to quickly point out that if Bounty Hunter's stereotypical players quit because of this short downtime; nothing of value will be lost from the game.

[haggisoflife]

BH was put in cause of the removal of the Wilderness / PKing, that was its purpose and it did it reasonably well (other than being a new source for people to drop trade). Not perfectly, but an okay job.

 

 

 

PK Worlds then turned up, which are (imo) a far better version of The Wilderness and which removed "the need" for BH as a PK zone. Way more detail and choice than in Bounty Hunter, even had some new gnarly drops. About the only thing BH did better was enable drop trading, other than that it wasn't that great any longer.

 

 

 

So Jagex got rid of BH to close that loop. This is (imo) an overall good thing as whilst it removed a fun game it also put a massive fix (though likely not perfect) on drop trading. Less gold sellers, less bots, less cheating Cabbages buying gold. Less BH as well, but I can live with that as its still works out as a win.

 

 

 

But, and this is the important bit, its not gone! It will come back (I currently have faith in Jagex on what they say, especially as they didn't put a deadline to its return) in some form. It'll be different but the basic mechanics / game are most likely going to be the same. So it reduces the lose even more & it's not like we can't PK any longer.

 

 

 

Yeah I'd like it back right now but I can live with it being gone, if nothing else but cause the drop traders were mucking about with the BH game so (imo) it'll come back better than before.

 

 

 

So is there any point in moaning about it? No, none that I can see. It just wastes time.

 

Our time that we could be spending playing another part of the game

 

Their time that they could be spending improving stuff (like BH!) rather than going "it'll be back soon"

 

 

 

So whilst I get why your annoyed I'd suggest you chill out on it, cause being annoyed will achieve nothing and in the long run I think its (hopefully) brief abscence will be made up for by its increased enjoyability.

[SwreeTak]

Anti RTW is NOT = ANTI FUN!

 

Also, how can you be so sure of all this? Probably Jagex will restrain it a little, but why would they destroy their own minigame? Also, have you ever heard of PvP-worlds? Because more direct Pking is very hard to get, you know...

[Omali]

Anti RTW is NOT = ANTI FUN!

 

Also, how can you be so sure of all this? Probably Jagex will restrain it a little, but why would they destroy their own minigame? Also, have you ever heard of PvP-worlds? Because more direct Pking is very hard to get, you know...

 

 

 

When you have a habit of whining about everything Jagex does, like the OP, the chances of you being impressed by their choices is slim to none. That's how Historik can be so "sure" that it will fail, at least in his tiny, narrow minded world.

[Misterknowitall]

They will not destroy BH, they will improve it.

[I_am_Geed]

Theres still many many pvp interactions, who the hell cares if you dont get loot from any of them.

 

 

 

Your just whining because you cant pk anymore for free items from clueless people.

 

 

 

Castle Wars

 

Clan Wars

 

Safe and Dangerous FFS

 

Soul Wars

 

Stealing Creation

 

 

 

these are but a FEW of the many pvp games that STILL EXIST

[Mylez]

Historik2. You say that changing small aspects of the game such as BH takes the fun away, where's the evidence of this?

 

 

 

I find the game all the more fun when changes are made. It gets rid of ignorant, egotistical players like yourself.

 

 

 

You also said "Jagex is killing the last direct player to player interaction left in Runescape."

 

 

 

[cabbage]. The ENTIRE game is player to player interaction.

 

 

 

"Does RWT *REALLY* hurt your experience on Runescape"

 

 

 

No, not really. That wasn't the point, or are you SO ignorant you fail to realise the implications OUTSIDE of Runescape, Jagex is a business. :|

 

 

 

Threads like this annoy me, you claim to speak for the minority, but clearly you don't.

 

 

 

[n64jive]

My advice...Find a new game. Hopefully a console will come out with a MMORPG. I quit runescape a long time ago, and it was the best decision of my life.

[Ravenkana]

Bloody hellfire! You lot are acting like children- grow up. I understand that the original post may have been a bit too... strongly worded, but at least it was legible and eloquent. He even had reasons for his logic and, though he was brusque, maybe even rude, no one respected it as they should have. Instead of a discussion we got a flame war and, when a moderator stepped in, people said it was his fault, not theirs.

 

 

 

Admittedly, both sides are at fault, for and against. So let's defuse the situation before this Bomb-omb blows up and we suffer the embarrassment of watching Mario die on the first level, shall we?

 

 

 

Oh, and certain individuals claimed our esteemed OP was a troll. But those, or should I say that, individual has proved himself to be the same. Rudely editing his opposition's comments to mock him and, when others respond to those remarks, he feels like a Pokemon whose fellow has used beat-up- he MUST join in. With an insulting, non-contributing statement, nonetheless.

 

 

 

So shape up, all of you!

[Omali]

My advice...Find a new game. Hopefully a console will come out with a MMORPG. I quit runescape a long time ago, and it was the best decision of my life.

 

 

 

If quitting runescape was the "best decision of your life", the only thing I can think of is; why are you still posting on Tip.It? So you can flaunt your e-peen by gloating about how you quit a video game?

[Zaaps1]

My advice...Find a new game. Hopefully a console will come out with a MMORPG. I quit runescape a long time ago, and it was the best decision of my life.

 

 

 

If quitting runescape was the "best decision of your life", the only thing I can think of is; why are you still posting on Tip.It? So you can flaunt your e-peen by gloating about how you quit a video game?

 

 

 

Maybe he just like using the forums. I know when I quit I'll still be around here.

 

 

 

Maybe not bragging that I quit, but still...

[Omali]

My advice...Find a new game. Hopefully a console will come out with a MMORPG. I quit runescape a long time ago, and it was the best decision of my life.

 

 

 

If quitting runescape was the "best decision of your life", the only thing I can think of is; why are you still posting on Tip.It? So you can flaunt your e-peen by gloating about how you quit a video game?

 

 

 

Maybe he just like using the forums. I know when I quit I'll still be around here.

 

 

 

Maybe not bragging that I quit, but still...

 

 

 

There's a big difference in sticking around a forum after you've stopped playing the game, and strutting around like you're a better person, putting down the game and talking about how quitting was the "best decision in my life" which, granted, doesn't say much for his "life".

[Aresgodowar]

Doesn't bother me. I joined after Unfair trading was removed, therefore I have never had a passion to pk, and I am completely used to fair trading.

 

 

 

what is fair about abhorant market manipulation both by jagex and players?? fair trading? if the trading was truly fair there would be no need for junk now would there.

[AceBeam]

ATTENTION

 

Jagex killed it.

 

-runs away from the thread-

[Me_Hate_Libs]

ATTENTION

 

Jagex killed it.

 

-runs away from the thread-

 

 

 

Yeah that post was necessary... :roll:

[Jenove]

What a load of total crap. Don't try and force your own narrow, biased [developmentally delayed] opinion onto others by displaying it as facts.

 

 

 

If you don't like the updates, and if it's as bad as you say it is.. then quit. Whining like a [bleep] isn't going to change anything.

 

well he is saying what the f[bleep]ing people fell for Ff[bleep]s sake rs now barealy has over 100 000 player on during peak hours this IS PATHETIC!

 

it used to be on average 500 000

 

the game is solo now.

 

he is just saying what is actually going on and what people are feeling.

[Racheya]

What a load of total crap. Don't try and force your own narrow, biased [developmentally delayed] opinion onto others by displaying it as facts.

 

 

 

If you don't like the updates, and if it's as bad as you say it is.. then quit. Whining like a [bleep] isn't going to change anything.

 

well he is saying what the [bleep] people fell for [bleep] sake rs now barealy has over 100 000 player on during peak hours this IS PATHETIC!

 

it used to be on average 500 000

 

the game is solo now.

 

he is just saying what is actually going on and what people are feeling.

 

We should gather all the Jagex haters in this thread then nuke em imo.

 

 

 

Do you really know what sort of statistics Runescape gets? Do you work there? Don't quote stats without proof because everyone knows 98% of statistics are just made up.

[Naive]

What a load of total crap. Don't try and force your own narrow, biased [developmentally delayed] opinion onto others by displaying it as facts.

 

 

 

If you don't like the updates, and if it's as bad as you say it is.. then quit. Whining like a [bleep] isn't going to change anything.

 

well he is saying what the [bleep] people fell for [bleep] sake rs now barealy has over 100 000 player on during peak hours this IS PATHETIC!

 

it used to be on average 500 000

 

the game is solo now.

 

he is just saying what is actually going on and what people are feeling.

 

We should gather all the Jagex haters in this thread then nuke em imo.

 

 

 

Do you really know what sort of statistics Runescape gets? Do you work there? Don't quote stats without proof because everyone knows 98% of statistics are just made up.

 

98% are made up 75% of the time ;) .

 

But yeah let's nuke them.

[demonsbane37]

What a load of total crap. Don't try and force your own narrow, biased [developmentally delayed] opinion onto others by displaying it as facts.

 

 

 

If you don't like the updates, and if it's as bad as you say it is.. then quit. Whining like a [bleep] isn't going to change anything.

 

well he is saying what the [bleep] people fell for [bleep] sake rs now barealy has over 100 000 player on during peak hours this IS PATHETIC!

 

it used to be on average 500 000

 

the game is solo now.

 

he is just saying what is actually going on and what people are feeling.

 

 

 

there is what, 165 or so worlds? 2k people a world 2k*165=330k people max.

 

get your story strait

[SoulAttacker]

There are currently 106,679 players online on 165 servers. The online record is 249,021 set on Dec 8 2007.

[Ravenkana]

What a load of total crap. Don't try and force your own narrow, biased [developmentally delayed] opinion onto others by displaying it as facts.

 

 

 

If you don't like the updates, and if it's as bad as you say it is.. then quit. Whining like a [bleep] isn't going to change anything.

 

well he is saying what the [bleep] people fell for [bleep] sake rs now barealy has over 100 000 player on during peak hours this IS PATHETIC!

 

it used to be on average 500 000

 

the game is solo now.

 

he is just saying what is actually going on and what people are feeling.

 

We should gather all the Jagex haters in this thread then nuke em imo.

 

Right after we do the same to all the Jagex lovers.

 

 

 

Love or hate Jagex, you still play the game and need to respect other's opinions. Brown nosing is just as annoying as obnoxious as hate mail.