March 27, 200917 yr Is it just me or is the popularity of these kinds of stories based less on the actual interest of the story and more on peoples unwillingness to examine their own misgivings?I mean, a what's stealing some candy to this kid? In comparison to an eleven year old killing a pregnant women, I guess all of you are practically saints, right? Look at any any developing country and you'll see that [cabbage] like this happens on a daily basis. Honestly, this has nothing to do with any of you, and nothing you say here is going to affect what happens to him at all. Why the hell do you care? Might as well close OT then. "The cry of the poor is not always just, but if you never hear it you'll never know what justice is."
March 27, 200917 yr So many assumptions. There was VERY little details written and so many people are jumping to assumptions "the kid is mentally ill", "It's the parent's fault", "He would have done it anyway, lock him away!". There is NO evidence or background in the article presented by tear god that would conclude any of these scenarios. This kid is nuts, I would say until he's 18 juvenile hall, after that life in adult prison. If it's not that already. If hypothetically speaking the kid IS nuts, the kid deserves psychiatrist assessment and rehabilitation. Throwing the mentally ill in to a jail cell to rot is inhumane regardless of what happened. Thinking emotionally and dealing with law don't go hand-in-hand. The only people who tell you that you can't do something are those who have already given up on their own dreams so feel the need to discourage yours.
March 27, 200917 yr Look at any any developing country and you'll see that [cabbage] like this happens on a daily basis.The rest of what you said was pretty pointless, but this is a good point. There are countries where they teach 11 year olds and even younger all about killing then have them put that into action, and these kids know full well the consequences of their actions (granted they don't have much of a choice). So you can't just say he should be tried as a juvenile for the sole fact that he's 11. Hell, I know 11 year olds that are probably more mature and/or more intelligent than some 18+ year olds that don't have a mental disability. To answer the question of why we even have a juvenile court system, it's for those kids who are juveniles and ACT like it. May the presents of our lord and savior, Santa, be with you this holiday season!First annual Clausmas - 2009 December 25
March 27, 200917 yr The idea behind the juvenile court system is that children should be treated with special care. Its originators considered it futile and unjust to punish a child for wrongdoing, preferring rehabilitation instead. To accomplish this, the court operates informally and paternally. That is the exact rationale for juvenile courts given under the Britannia encyclopaedia. Regardless, the notion of acting like a juvenile is a fallacy in this argument because you can argue that crime in general is not juvenile behaviour. The reason that children can be processed as adults is a purely political, it is a reaction to public hysteria. The legal system is not a tool for vengeance and the desire to try children as adults comes from a desire for revenge which does not help anyone. He who learns must suffer, and, even in our sleep, pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart,and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus (525 BC - 456 BC)
March 27, 200917 yr In some countries this boy would not have even been sent to jail. Many countries practice social rehabilitation and the offenders are released back in to the community with enhanced social skills. It has a high success rate too, last time I checked. It's just that in most 1st world countries this kind of thing is viewed a lot more emotionally and the public seek revenge on the wrong-doer. The only people who tell you that you can't do something are those who have already given up on their own dreams so feel the need to discourage yours.
March 27, 200917 yr In some countries this boy would not have even been sent to jail. Many countries practice social rehabilitation and the offenders are released back in to the community with enhanced social skills. It has a high success rate too, last time I checked. While I don't necessarily agree with trying children as adults I'm a bit shaky on the idea of social rehabilitation. For crimes like this that involve extreme violence I'd prefer that they were monitored more closely (such as in a juvenile detention centre). However, my misgivings are trumped if that method works though. He who learns must suffer, and, even in our sleep, pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart,and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus (525 BC - 456 BC)
March 27, 200917 yr I'm not sure what I think of it either but it's something I find easier to be empathic about for some strange reason. Probably because they're children. The only people who tell you that you can't do something are those who have already given up on their own dreams so feel the need to discourage yours.
March 27, 200917 yr Why are there two charges? I don't really get it either. People claim it isn't a life for abortion cases, but do when it comes to murder. There needs to be a whole new area of the law for fetuses. When it's that close to a birth it should be considered murder. Close only counts in horseshoes and carpet bombing. Command the Murderous Chalices! Drink ye harpooners! drink and swear, ye men that man the deathful whaleboat's bow- Death to Moby Dick!BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!
March 27, 200917 yr The article seemed rather vague considering what had occurred. I think that once I see a more in depth report I can comment more confidently on the issue. Based on what I read I feel that he knew what he was doing and knew the repercussions of his actions. I would personally send him to a generic prison based on what I read. This is just my opinion, no need to get huffy and puffy about it. : PoetryIndexed Picture 1Indexed Picture 2 Killed my maxed Zerker pure April 2010 Rebooting Runescape
March 27, 200917 yr Wow.... I dont see how people can do stuff like this. :wall: 8,180WONGTONG IS THE BEST AND IS MORE SUPERIOR THAN ME#1 Wongtong stalker.Im looking for some No Limit soldiers!
March 27, 200917 yr In some countries this boy would not have even been sent to jail. Many countries practice social rehabilitation and the offenders are released back in to the community with enhanced social skills. It has a high success rate too, last time I checked. It's just that in most 1st world countries this kind of thing is viewed a lot more emotionally and the public seek revenge on the wrong-doer. Not sure Id go as far as dismissing detention centers, but it is a good idea to see what progress in social rehabilitation could be made. This kid should be facing some serious therapy and should probably be out of society until he is 18. From what I have heard of this case Id say the kid is probably competant(spelling?) enough that we should consider this a truly serious crime. On the topic of guns, better care of guns by parents would prevent a good percentage of these cases. Yes, there are sociopaths who are going to kill someone anyway but if the gun is locked up with ammo locked up somewhere else like it should be most kids would get frustrated and give up on their plan. Its easier to kill someone with a gun then just about any other method, taking away the easy route will deter a good portion of the offenders. Thats not to say we need gun restrictions, human stupidity and greed cause most crimes, the choice of weapon isnt the cause. Finally, there are two charges because a 9 month fetus is in every way a functional human baby. If it was removed from the womb at that point it could have survived with no medical aid(maybe cord tying). Orthodoxy is unconciousnessthe only ones who should kill are those who are prepared to be killed.
March 27, 200917 yr an investigation should be done on the parents as well. he obviosly was taught how to use a weapon but how was the weapon stored? was a loaded weapon kept in a childs room with no security precausions. if this was the case then the dad should also be charged with child endangerment. if not then the child oviously knew what he was doing. he would have had to open a locked safe loaded the amunition turned the safty off and then pulled the trigger durring each of these steps there was ample opportunity for him to realise that what he was doing was wrong i personally don't favour adult sentances to children. instead i believe that they should stay in a juevenille detention facillity given education and physciatric care and then released when he/she turns 18. [spoiler=click you know you wanna]Me behave? Seriously? As a child I saw Tarzan almost naked, Cinderella arrived home from a party after midnight, Pinocchio told lies, Aladin was a thief, Batman drove over 200 miles an hour, Snow White lived in a house with seven men, Popeye smoked a pipe and had tattoos, Pac man ran around to digital music while eating pills that enhanced his performance, and Shaggy and Scooby were mystery solving hippies who always had the munchies. The fault is not mine! if you had this childhood and loved it put this in your signature!
March 27, 200917 yr If he should be tried as an adult for doing adult crimes, then adults should be charged as juveniles for doing juvenile crimes. Consistency and fairness are vital in court.
March 27, 200917 yr If he should be tried as an adult for doing adult crimes, then adults should be charged as juveniles for doing juvenile crimes. Consistency and fairness are nonexistant in court. Fixed it for you. Retired Tip.It Mod || Admin and Founder of Caesar 3 Mod Squad! All are welcome!
March 27, 200917 yr An 11 year old shotgunned his own mother and escaped on a school bus at night. This will be interesting. 00:00:0500:00:0400:00:0300:00:0200:00:0100:00:00 Break the Walls down!
March 27, 200917 yr This will be interesting. If by "interesting" you mean perverted, then yes. At risk of being branded a disciplinarian, I'm going out on a limb. I think the child knew what he was doing, sure there might have been the parents fault for not securing the weapon, but the fact remains that this "child" intended to do harm. It's very hard to prove he didn't know the consequences. And in these times, children younger and younger are becoming more "knowledgeable". Try him as a child, punish him as a child - but make for certain that he is not let off. Again, how a person has been punshied and what they "deserve" is also subjective.
March 29, 200917 yr Too young to really truly understand. The blanket though... damn... They *sniff* grow up so fast! OH S***! He/she/it is back!
March 29, 200917 yr Too young to really truly understand. The blanket though... damn... They *sniff* grow up so fast! I just want to know what the [bleep] was going through the kids head!
March 29, 200917 yr I very interesting thought just came up. Even if the gun was properly secured if the kid was really determined to kill her he could've easily used a knife or a bat or something. So now the dad not keeping the gun locked up arguement is invalid.
March 29, 200917 yr I very interesting thought just came up. Even if the gun was properly secured if the kid was really determined to kill her he could've easily used a knife or a bat or something. So now the dad not keeping the gun locked up arguement is invalid. It's not. I guess a grown adult (even a pregnant woman) wouldn't instantly die after a stab from a knife or a hit from a bat from an 11 y.o. kid. She could have tried to defend herself, run, cry for help, etc. Also, you can't know for sure if the boy was 100% determined to kill her, or would have reacted differently after, let's say, seeing the woman bleeding and hearing her scream because of the pain. You really can't compare knives and guns that easily. This signature is intentionally left blank.
March 29, 200917 yr Too young to really truly understand. The blanket though... damn... They *sniff* grow up so fast! I just want to know what the [bleep] was going through the kids head! Mae he was rocking some Saliva Come on, Come on! Come on, Come on! All those Saturdays, when kids go out and play Yo I was up in my room I let the stereo blaze Wasn't faded, not jaded, just a kid with a pad and pen And a big imagination All this, I seek, I find I push the envelope to the line Make it, break it Take it, until Im overrated! Click Click Boom! I'm comin' down on the stereo, hear me on the radio Click Click Boom! I'm comin' down with the new style and you know it's buck wild Click Click Boom! EDIT: If they only put him in adult prison when he reaches 18 I don't think anyone would mess with him much... I mean come on.. "Hey, what are you in for princess?" ... "I blew my step-mother's head off in cold blood, when I was 11" ... "..." OH S***! He/she/it is back!
March 29, 200917 yr Wheres proper proof? And why not check if his father even has a gun license? Proper proof? Sadly, the US government's time machine isn't functional right now. We'll have to do this the old-fashioned way. [English translation needed]
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