Defence Apparently is Useless.

[Tim]

Yep, thats rich coming from a guy trying to get 99 defence for the past 2-3 years. I'm in the wilderness with a friend, as I finished killing someone some git with a dds trys to pile jump me. 0-0,0-0,0-0,0-1. I thought nah, he wont manage: 40-40-34-40 dead (yes I ate before you say thats over 99). He has 90 strength, I have 95 Defence. Im in Rune armor with 95 Defence, you would THINK I wouldnt get hit so much but NOOOO, even with Chiv he drives right through it. gf 250k gone from my already crappy bank.

 

 

 

[/Rant], FML.

[Xx_Flare_xX]

Ouch! sorry to hear about that.

 

It sucks how they hit that much against someone with

 

95 Defence and armout :wall: but Defence has never been that useful. it's only use is wearing armour :?

[3hitm4g3u]

Unlucky roll.

[Moad14]

Stay off PVP worlds if you don't like dying.

[walka92]

ouch, tough luck there

[mmmcannibalism]

Yep, thats rich coming from a guy trying to get 99 defence for the past 2-3 years. I'm in the wilderness with a friend, as I finished killing someone some git with a dds trys to pile jump me. 0-0,0-0,0-0,0-1. I thought nah, he wont manage: 40-40-34-40 dead (yes I ate before you say thats over 99). He has 90 strength, I have 95 Defence. Im in Rune armor with 95 Defence, you would THINK I wouldnt get hit so much but NOOOO, even with Chiv he drives right through it. gf 250k gone from my already crappy bank.

 

 

 

[/Rant], FML.

 

 

 

His attack level and boosts are all that matter for the hits; str then determines how hard said hits are.

 

 

 

Bad luck though.

[Inuashakent]

I think this is why defense is so underrated. Would defense be more useful it he hit a 1-1-1-1? The numbers you get are 100% based on your opponents strength and luck. That's it.

[Dirkmetal]

I think this is why defense is so underrated. Would defense be more useful it he hit a 1-1-1-1? The numbers you get are 100% based on your opponents strength and luck. That's it.

 

 

 

Your saying it would have been better if he hit low?

 

The strength level he had would make strength useless if you had your way.

 

 

 

You think Rune armor has good defense in members?

 

Die with some good armor then come, and rant.

[Salvette]

So you think an entire skill is useless because somebody with an unknown Attack level managed to hit through your Defence level and your rune armour a mere four times?

 

 

 

Having a high Defence level doesn't make you invulnerable. It just makes you harder to hit, and influences the random chance of getting hit in your favour.

[Sir_Kurity]

Defence should really be renamed dodge.

 

 

 

In other words, if you fail the dodge, the defence dosent matter.

[quelmotz]

Runescape is really illogical.

 

 

 

Attack is countered by "defense", but strength is countered by nothing. What crap is this?

 

 

 

Attack should be countered by a new skill ,"dodge" or "elusiveness" or "evasiveness" or what have you, and strength countered by "defense" or "toughness" or "resilience" or whatever.

 

 

 

Not that I really agree with this rant though. All I can say is LUCK.

[Tim]

All I can say is LUCK.

 

Well, I guess thats what it's mostly based around. I knew he could hit but I just wasn't expecting such high, constiant numbers.

 

 

 

 

 

You think Rune armor has good defense in members?

 

Die with some good armor then come, and rant.

 

You want to risk Torags during this price inflation? Be my guest. Until then, have fun PvP'ing with YOUR stats and YOUR Armor choice.

[Bauke]

I think this is why defense is so underrated. Would defense be more useful it he hit a 1-1-1-1? The numbers you get are 100% based on your opponents strength and luck. That's it.

 

This.

[3hitm4g3u]

Runescape is really illogical.

 

 

 

Attack is countered by "defense", but strength is countered by nothing. What crap is this?

 

 

 

Attack should be countered by a new skill ,"dodge" or "elusiveness" or "evasiveness" or what have you, and strength countered by "defense" or "toughness" or "resilience" or whatever.

 

 

 

Not that I really agree with this rant though. All I can say is LUCK.

 

 

 

Because Defence bonuses > Attack bonuses.

[Sir_Kurity]

Runes not that much worse than barrows when you look at the stats.

 

 

 

200 defence, compared to what, 250?

[sadukar123]

Rune barely has 200 stats with a shield. Barrows has 250+ without a shield.

[Aegis Titan]

Hmm you're 106 combat, he could've been a maxed zerker, or if you were in level 4 wild or so some barrow pure with 99 strength and piety and still like 90ish attack. He just got lucky, because you haven't fought a tank ranger, with my 92 attack I barely hit 85+ defence in just d'hide and some rune.

[3hitm4g3u]

Hmm you're 106 combat, he could've been a maxed zerker, or if you were in level 4 wild or so some barrow pure with 99 strength and piety and still like 90ish attack. He just got lucky, because you haven't fought a tank ranger, with my 92 attack I barely hit 85+ defence in just d'hide and some rune.

 

 

 

The guy he was fighting had 90 strength. no zerker hits them hits at 90 strength.

[khandajatt]

Yikes....better luck next time

[quelmotz]

Runescape is really illogical.

 

 

 

Attack is countered by "defense", but strength is countered by nothing. What crap is this?

 

 

 

Attack should be countered by a new skill ,"dodge" or "elusiveness" or "evasiveness" or what have you, and strength countered by "defense" or "toughness" or "resilience" or whatever.

 

 

 

Not that I really agree with this rant though. All I can say is LUCK.

 

 

 

Because Defence bonuses > Attack bonuses.

 

 

 

And so? :roll:

[Ravenkana]

Defence in Runescape is like armor in DnD- it affects the chances of the attacker to hit the defender. Defencel level is natural armor which actual armor, barring the Elysian and the Divine shields, adds on. Attack increases the chance of hit, like in DnD as well. Strength is a modifier on the damage you do.

 

 

 

Most other MMORPGS have a dodge AND a defence percentage. WoW's agility raises both armor and the percentage of dodge ever so slightly. Armor further increases armor, reducing the PERCENTAGE of damage dealt. No one can ever have 100%, barring some sort of buff, as increased armor has decreasing returns. Strength increases max hit, while another stat increases chance to hit, can't remember it at the mo. Most MMORPGS also have a max and min hit- unless you dodge an attack.

 

 

 

This system is far less random and, in my opinion, much better. The only con is that it is far to complex for mere mortals to calculate all the time, which is why DnD uses the more random system of dice. Runescape can, and should, do better.

[Sir_Kurity]

This system is basically dodge chance.

 

 

 

Basically, you do a dodge.

 

 

 

And if that dodge fails, then it hits somewhere between 0-50 (or whatever depending on strength level, or spirit shield)

[quelmotz]

This system is basically dodge chance.

 

 

 

Basically, you do a dodge.

 

 

 

And if that dodge fails, then it hits somewhere between 0-50 (or whatever depending on strength level, or spirit shield)

 

 

 

Which is rather stupid, since its either you hit or you don't, and if you do, you damage something, and that SOLELY depends on luck. Because there's no counter for damage dealt.

[Tim_Tam_Tan_Tien]

This system is basically dodge chance.

 

 

 

Basically, you do a dodge.

 

 

 

And if that dodge fails, then it hits somewhere between 0-50 (or whatever depending on strength level, or spirit shield)

 

 

 

Which is rather stupid, since its either you hit or you don't, and if you do, you damage something, and that SOLELY depends on luck. Because there's no counter for damage dealt.

 

 

 

I see what you mean, it seems pretty weird that strength is not mitigated by any stat, maybe they should make armour bonus less like defence and make it more like a percentage reduction.

 

 

 

My understanding is that at the moment armour bonus does the same as defence whereas it decreases the chance you're hit... But if it were to say- reduce the damage taken by a certain % for a certain armour value- this would effectively give you a dodge chance ( defense ) and damage reduction even if you are hit ( armour bonus ).

[quelmotz]

This system is basically dodge chance.

 

 

 

Basically, you do a dodge.

 

 

 

And if that dodge fails, then it hits somewhere between 0-50 (or whatever depending on strength level, or spirit shield)

 

 

 

Which is rather stupid, since its either you hit or you don't, and if you do, you damage something, and that SOLELY depends on luck. Because there's no counter for damage dealt.

 

 

 

I see what you mean, it seems pretty weird that strength is not mitigated by any stat, maybe they should make armour bonus less like defence and make it more like a percentage reduction.

 

 

 

My understanding is that at the moment armour bonus does the same as defence whereas it decreases the chance you're hit... But if it were to say- reduce the damage taken by a certain % for a certain armour value- this would effectively give you a dodge chance ( defense ) and damage reduction even if you are hit ( armour bonus ).

 

 

 

Exactly what I wanted to say.

 

 

 

Armor doesn't make you more elusive/"dodgy"/evasive, it negates some damage you take.