Think about it...

[Robert_de_Sable]

You sit there every day for two hours playing RuneScape. And what do you do the entire time? You fish, you hunt, you cut down imaginary trees, and finally, after these long hours of imaginary hard work, it's time to start enjoying yourself with something that takes more skill...

 

 

 

Or is it? When does RuneScape ever take any skill at all to play? When you break it down, even fighting-- which I imagine is the most substantial attraction to most players-- takes no skill whatsoever. You train your player to a level where it simply destroys everything else. It takes no dexterity, unlike CoD or SoldierFront or even a game like Halo. Even the fighting is simply a slightly more flashy way of "fishing" if you will-- you click a button and your player does the rest.

 

 

 

So my point is that RuneScape doesn't take skill to play, and at its core is really just a boring version of tiresome medieval chores. Wake up and see it.

[The_Gabe]

Pking takes skill.

[XxTearGodxX]

Why don't you go back into your cave troll.

[Jard_Y_Dooku]

Your point is widely known and is true. We just don't care... well, I'm pretty much retired so I guess I do care, but yeah.

[Robert_de_Sable]

Why don't you go back into your cave troll.

 

Why don't you come back when you have something intelligent to say that isn't ludicrously inflammatory? I haven't said anything untrue, and I'm not baiting you. I'm asking for a legitimate debate on this topic. If you don't think what I said is true, then respond with a debate.

 

I'd like to know what part of PKing takes skill, please.

[Draconic]

So you have 930 posts on a Runescape fansite why?

 

 

 

Wake up and see it.

 

 

 

Instead of being rude and claiming your opinion is CORRECT and we should realize that, how about you state your opinion, and ask us what OURS are. Maybe some people like Runescape for the very reasons you point out!

[Draconic]

Why don't you go back into your cave troll.

 

Why don't you come back when you have something intelligent to say that isn't ludicrously inflammatory? I haven't said anything untrue, and I'm not baiting you. I'm asking for a legitimate debate on this topic. If you don't think what I said is true, then respond with a debate.

 

I'd like to know what part of PKing takes skill, please.

 

 

 

You get more flies with honey and with vinegar :geek:

 

 

 

For me, it's simply because I like setting a goal and completeing it, evn though you didn't ask us a question, and claimed your opinion was right when it remains an opinion.

[Jard_Y_Dooku]

Why don't you go back into your cave troll.

 

Why don't you come back when you have something intelligent to say that isn't ludicrously inflammatory? I haven't said anything untrue, and I'm not baiting you. I'm asking for a legitimate debate on this topic. If you don't think what I said is true, then respond with a debate.

 

I'd like to know what part of PKing takes skill, please.

 

 

 

PKing is one of the aspects that DOES require skill in RuneScape. I'm level 137 but would get killed easily in a fight with someone even 20 levels lower since I have no clue what I'm doing. You have to know what weapons to use, when to switch, when to run, when to do this, what to use for that, etc. It's actually fairly complex. Wake up and see it.

[Robert_de_Sable]

So you have 930 posts on a Runescape fansite why?

 

Most of them are in the Off-Topic section. I did, however, used to play RuneScape, and quit because of the aforementioned reasons.

 

 

 

Wake up and see it.

 

 

 

Instead of being rude and claiming your opinion is CORRECT and we should realize that, how about you state your opinion, and ask us what OURS are. Maybe some people like Runescape for the very reasons you point out!

 

I did ask what YOURS were. I am curious to know what they are. How about you tell me them?

 

 

 

PKing is one of the aspects that DOES require skill in RuneScape. I'm level 137 but would get killed easily in a fight with someone even 20 levels lower since I have no clue what I'm doing. You have to know what weapons to use, when to switch, when to run, when to do this, what to use for that, etc. It's actually fairly complex. Wake up and see it.

 

Alright, there's one. I will concede that point. But unless you spend all your time PKing, which most people don't to the best of my knowledge, my point still stands.

[PuppyKing]

And thats why I love runescape. It takes no skill. I, personally, suck at gaming. Its nice to have a game that I can be good at. ;)

[Draconic]

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[rangeor]

Fight caves are a bit difficult. It's just prayer switching, but a lack of confidence or one small mistake could cause you to fail.

[mrph3r]

Training requires no skill.

 

 

 

Efficient training requires skill.

 

 

 

Useless skill, but skill nonetheless.

[Cactuaar]

Maybe you don't need skills, but it's fun, is it not? I like killing bosses, and you need some knowledge about those, if no skill. You have to know what to do, and when. Of course, the entire game is all about clicking, but so what? Console games are just about pressing buttons, not much difference. You may need more reflexes for those type of games, but in the end, it's all about pressing stuff.

 

 

 

So my point is that RuneScape doesn't take skill to play, and at its core is really just a boring version of tiresome medieval chores.

 

 

 

That's just your opinion. Some people may like to collect resources, and sell them for money. Yes, it's just clicking. But people find it entertaining, so how is it a boring version of tiresome medieval chores? It's an RPG, where you can immerse yourself into a game and pretend to be something you're not. Just because you find it to be boring, or useless, doesn't mean its the same for everybody else.

[acenator]

I think Castle Wars and (leading) clan wars (either the mini-game or just two clans fight somewhere in a pvp/bh world) take the top of the list in skill-requiring activities in RS. Merching, pking, and quests with (extensive) puzzles come next (well, for those who don't use quest guides, anyways). Planning out your training and fighting boss monsters come next and then just training whatever way you feel like comes last.

 

 

 

Let me know if I missed anything (or, should I say, what I missed).

[Shelby_Polo]

Your point is widely known and is true. We just don't care...

 

Jard says it best.

 

 

 

I don't play RS because it takes skill to master; I have an xBox for that.

 

 

 

I could say I have a weird fetish watching numbers grow :shock: .

 

edit: lol at censor

[Mike_Ike111]

A lot of things take skill that you just can't see, and although it isn't fast paced skill, it is still skill.

 

 

 

Slayer, for one, takes plenty of skill to train properly. You have to know where the monster is, what the monster is weak to, if you need certain items, the best set-up, if prayer is needed, if it uses magic based attacks, if the area is in Multi-Target, if it is best to use a BoB instead of any other familiar, and the list can go on. Sure, that isn't directly skill, however it is quite a lot of knowledge to be had. You have to know things and must be pretty nifty and smart to remember specific details of every monster.

 

 

 

Solo Merchanting is one of the most skillful parts of any MMO I have seen. It isn't remembering when to click, or fast passed reactions that can grinded to perfection, or boss killing, or other sorts of skill. It is truly a skill that can only be had with brains and knowledge. I can beast at Halo any day with practice and constant training, but only does Merchanting require pure genius and planning.

[Omali]

Think about it...

 

 

 

Because you certainly didn't when making this thread.

 

 

 

Runescape is a stat-based game where you grind individual stats to mold the character of your choosing, and you get better at doing things by doing them, a lot.

 

 

 

What do you want, Runescape to be like Free Realms where leveling your certain skills requires you to partake in mini-games, like woodcutting would be you gain exp based on how close to the green meter you get the the swinging axe? Skill in Runescape is figuring how to do things more efficiently, not acting like a 10 year old with ADD and a twitchy trigger finger shooting enemies.

 

 

 

The issue is that you're equating the slower paced portions of Runescape, the non-combat skills, to tactical fps' and arcade fps' (Cod and Halo respectively). You're comparing apples and Boeing 747's, they are 100% different games with completely different goals, methods, mechanics, and ideas. No, Runescape isn't as fast paced, tactical, or flashy as Call of Duty, but it's not trying to be, and that's where the massive difference comes in. You're comparing chess to a game of GOT YOUR NOSE, complaining that chess doesn't give you the flashy ADD-driven gameplay you long for.

 

 

 

So my point is that RuneScape doesn't take skill to play, and at its core is really just a boring version of tiresome medieval chores. Wake up and see it.

 

 

 

And I'm sure the reaction half the people had here was along the lines of "what are you, stupid?" You're asking an obvious question, to make obvious conclusions, to make a stupid point. Ok, so Runescape is a "second job" to you, virtually all MMOs have a huge element of grind to them, it's how companies rope people into paying a monthly fee, they give them countless hours of grind. And you know what? People like it. You might not, but you're not the demographic that companies are shooting for, and none of us who enjoy grind-games care that you think of it as a second job.

 

 

 

You say "wake up and see it" as if we're all in denial that Runescape is a massive grind. If you can find me one person who truly believes that Runescape is NOT a massive grind, go ahead and show them to me. Until then, all you're doing is stating the obvious to make some invalid argument.

 

 

 

I'll show how your argument can sum up another genre: You sit there every day for two hours playing Call of Duty. And what do you do the entire time? You lay prone, you take cover, you shoot imaginary people, and finally at the end of the day you find someone that takes more skill.

 

 

 

or do they? When does Call of Duty really take any skill to play? When you break it down, even firefights take no skill whatsoever. You lay prone, and camp, wait for someone to run by, and shoot them. You find a spot where people can't see you, and you just pick them off one at a time. There's no gravity pull on bullets, you don't have to worry about damage to the gun from freezing temperatures, water damage, etc. Hit z to prone, click the mouse a few times.

 

 

 

So my point is that Call of Duty takes no skill to play, at its core it's a really boring version of tiresome point and click games, just in a 3d atmosphere. Wake up and see it.

 

 

 

Your point summed up:

[Adam007]

First of all, everyone plays for different reasons, and still has fun, regardless of whether or not it takes skill. When it comes down to it, if you're having fun, what's it matter?

 

 

 

But since this is a topic about the lack of skill in runescape versus other games that do require skill, I'll address that.

 

 

 

There are so many aspects to rs that require skill. They might not be obvious skill requiring things other games have like getting a headshot, but they're everywhere.

 

 

 

Pk'ing clearly takes skill. I've played pretty much every aspect and I'll tell you it is fun, and it does take skill. When I pk'ed, I would have to juggle entangles, spells, switching from mage to melee to range, all while reacting to my opponent and everyone else surrounding. There's a lot going on, it's intense, and fun. The same goes for quests. Legends in rs1 was hard. It took skill. Some people were legendary because they did the quest on a low level, which took skill because others couldn't accomplish that same thing. Timing, intelligence, you name it. Those require skill.

 

 

 

Merchanting. It takes/took skill. Much like in the real world, some people have a knack for saving money on purchases, and making money off of what they sell. It takes skill: some people are better at it than others. And when you make money off of your own talent, it's fun.

 

 

 

Training the most efficient way, as someone else mentioned, takes skill. You have to have the intelligence to know where to train, how to train the most efficiently, which items, etc. This is more of a cerebral skill, but it still takes intelligence.

 

 

 

Whether it's reflex, timing, speed, an ability to multitask, bargaining, outwitting, being efficient, etc, these are all dependent on your skill.

 

I don't play anymore, but the thing I did enjoy was that after you did all the grinding, you did have a chance to use your skills. I think you may have missed that part. It just sounds like this game isn't for you if you haven't found a part of it that you enjoy, because most others here have.

[Huge Noob]

Think about it...

 

 

 

Because you certainly didn't when making this thread.

 

 

 

Runescape is a stat-based game where you grind individual stats to mold the character of your choosing, and you get better at doing things by doing them, a lot.

 

 

 

What do you want, Runescape to be like Free Realms where leveling your certain skills requires you to partake in mini-games, like woodcutting would be you gain exp based on how close to the green meter you get the the swinging axe? Skill in Runescape is figuring how to do things more efficiently, not acting like a 10 year old with ADD and a twitchy trigger finger shooting enemies.

 

 

 

The issue is that you're equating the slower paced portions of Runescape, the non-combat skills, to tactical fps' and arcade fps' (Cod and Halo respectively). You're comparing apples and Boeing 747's, they are 100% different games with completely different goals, methods, mechanics, and ideas. No, Runescape isn't as fast paced, tactical, or flashy as Call of Duty, but it's not trying to be, and that's where the massive difference comes in. You're comparing chess to a game of GOT YOUR NOSE, complaining that chess doesn't give you the flashy ADD-driven gameplay you long for.

 

 

 

So my point is that RuneScape doesn't take skill to play, and at its core is really just a boring version of tiresome medieval chores. Wake up and see it.

 

 

 

And I'm sure the reaction half the people had here was along the lines of "what are you, stupid?" You're asking an obvious question, to make obvious conclusions, to make a stupid point. Ok, so Runescape is a "second job" to you, virtually all MMOs have a huge element of grind to them, it's how companies rope people into paying a monthly fee, they give them countless hours of grind. And you know what? People like it. You might not, but you're not the demographic that companies are shooting for, and none of us who enjoy grind-games care that you think of it as a second job.

 

 

 

You say "wake up and see it" as if we're all in denial that Runescape is a massive grind. If you can find me one person who truly believes that Runescape is NOT a massive grind, go ahead and show them to me. Until then, all you're doing is stating the obvious to make some invalid argument.

 

 

 

I'll show how your argument can sum up another genre: You sit there every day for two hours playing Call of Duty. And what do you do the entire time? You lay prone, you take cover, you shoot imaginary people, and finally at the end of the day you find someone that takes more skill.

 

 

 

or do they? When does Call of Duty really take any skill to play? When you break it down, even firefights take no skill whatsoever. You lay prone, and camp, wait for someone to run by, and shoot them. You find a spot where people can't see you, and you just pick them off one at a time. There's no gravity pull on bullets, you don't have to worry about damage to the gun from freezing temperatures, water damage, etc. Hit z to prone, click the mouse a few times.

 

 

 

So my point is that Call of Duty takes no skill to play, at its core it's a really boring version of tiresome point and click games, just in a 3d atmosphere. Wake up and see it.

 

 

 

Your point summed up:

 

 

 

That pretty much sums it up. Well said.

[redstarmafia]

I just love runescape. On top of that, as far as skill goes, there were plenty of examples above, another one is the skill it takes to plan out skilling, woodcutting to progress fletching so you can high alch and get a magic lvl. All the different skills tie together and you have to be smart to do everything efficiently and max out xp and possibly profit.

[Guest]

You sit there every day for two hours playing RuneScape. And what do you do the entire time? You fish, you hunt, you cut down imaginary trees, and finally, after these long hours of imaginary hard work, it's time to start enjoying yourself with something that takes more skill...

 

You sit there for 2 hours playing Halo, And what do you do the entire time? You shoot, you kill, you hide from imaginary enemys, and finally, after these long hours of imaginary hard work, it's time to start enjoying yourself with something that takes more skill...

 

 

 

Shall i continue? You can use your post, swap around a few words and turn it into any game you want.

 

 

 

You think your opinion matters to anyone here? Grow up

 

 

 

A game is no more than a time waster, what does it matter whether it requires "skill". You think that will help your career? make you go further in life?

 

No.

 

However, Runescape often requires very little concentration, which is perfect for your average uni student looking for the occasional escape.

 

 

 

So you point is that runescape requires no skill, well that's great. Go play a game that does require "skill" and stop annoying us with your pointless whinging.

[Atroxide]

Any game that has more then 1 person requires skill unless its just random, which nothing is if you're against people.(for example, there is alot of psychology involved in rock-paper-scissors despite the fact that if were against a computer there is absolutely no skill, just luck.

 

 

 

If there was absolutely no skill in runescape, then 2 players that played the same amount of time should be the same exact level. But I have played since RSC yet there are many many people that have started after RS2 and has leveled efficiently and learned the skill of training. Even if I play more hours and train the same skills, some players will be much higher level.

 

 

 

 

 

Back in RSclassic I met a player named 'deja vu xiii', we both were hardcore players and I soon lost touch with him (we stopped talking and later deleted each other from lists I guess), until this year I was a hardcore player, I didn't do anything else but play, I got home from school, and I RS until dinner, and then until bedtime, and did the same thing all over again. I just recently found out he got 200m exp in attack, strength, defence, and hitpoints, yet I just recently got my second 99. He is skilled in finding the best possible routes of training and using management of his time to do it in the fastest possible way.

 

 

 

Anything that is pvp is directly dependent on 'skill'. pve,training, skilling, etc. is indirectly dependent on 'skill'. But what ever you do in RS, it does require skill in some way.

 

 

 

 

 

I used to have this friend who was an idiot and was a total hater for the 'halo' video games, he used to always complain about me playing them and they not requiring skill. if it didn't require skill then every 1 would be 1:1 k:d ratio.

[DUELMASTER30]

This is one of the rare times when I agree with you Robert. This is one of the main reasons I'm almost definitely quitting. The other ones are for school, and because it was taking away from my social life, but how boring it is is the biggest one. I may be back in a couple months, but I'm going to be gone for a while. I'm taking a Santa with me, so I'll be back to show it off around Christmas :3

[Atroxide]

A game is no more than a time waster, what does it matter whether it requires "skill". You think that will help your career? make you go further in life?

 

No.

 

 

A game is no more than a time waster, what does it matter whether it requires "skill". You think that will help your career? make you go further in life?

 

No.

 

 

 

Shall i continue? You can use your post, swap around a few words and turn it into any game you want.

 

 

A career is no more than a time waster, what does it matter whether you 'make alot of money'.You think that will help you when you die? make you go further in your after-life (if you believe in it.)?

 

No.

 

 

 

Shall i continue? You can use your post, swap around a few words and turn it into anything you want.

 

 

 

and FYI, I am just trying to prove a point, I believe the whole reason of life is to enjoy it how ever you want, be it a drug addict, a hard worker, a gamer, a 'person-with-a-life', a 'person-without-a-life', etc. As long as you enjoy what ever you do. If you want to be social; then quit. if you don't then just continue playing.