Cheating... Or is it...?

[Soma2035]

rangeor, i've spent the last 30 minutes hitting up google and I can't find an answer. Was wondering if anyone here knew.

 

On the fact of it's legality, I doubt Jagex will consider this illegal considering they allow programmable keyboards to be used like mine, where I can assign any keys in any order I like to make doing things like dropping one flowing pattern of keystrokes.

 

But he is not doing that. what he is doing is tricking the game into thinking he is clicking the mouse x number of times a second when in fact he is holding down one button. Assigning keys is perfectly legal as you have to manually press them in order for an action to take place.

 

Are you sure that's the case? My understanding was that he was assigning multiple buttons to being a left click button, and simply swiping his finger along those buttons.

 

Like, if the keys A, Z, S, X, D, and C were all left click buttons, you could easily strike all 6 and essentially click 6 times in quick succession, much faster than you would be able to normally, but you're still pressing all 6 keys.

 

Well he manages to click 28 herbs in 0.9 seconds, while moving the mouse along all the herbs. It surely is not possible to hit or press buttons that quickly. If it was maybe 5 or 6 then it would be possible, but 28 is not.

 

Well, after looking up the mouse in question, I'm completely at loss to understand what the player was doing in the video.

 

However, it's still potentially possible to do this with nothing but a mouse and hardware. I don't know how many of you are familiar with weapons, but, for example, you can turn a semi-automatic weapon into an automatic weapon fairly easily. Instead of pulling the trigger once per shot, you pull it and hold it and it continues firing. This is illegal, of course, but if you were capable of doing something similar with a mouse, you'd have something quite similar to what happens in this video, correct?

 

So yes, if you were willing to put the effort into disassembling your mouse and adding a few small parts, you could get this auto click feature purely with hardware, no software additions. Configure mousekeys appropriately for precise cursor movements, and you've got this video without the need for a fancy mouse.

[Master_Smither]

The question isn't whether or not it's against the rules. It's whether or not the macro detection system will pick it up and confess it as macroing and therefore ban you when their two week period comes around. In my opinion, the person doing 28 clicks in under a second will automatically be banned due to macroing and not given much chance at an appeal because of the shear fact that Jagex doesn't tend to believe people over their system. Heck they might even consider the mouse you use macroing in the first place and absolutely deny you.

[Stev]

Been using a mouse with turbo click for years...

 

Was banned once for a week (Using it to fletch) but once I explained it was a mouse with a rapid click button the offense was quashed.

 

It's not third party software, it's his hardware. If you don't like someone having better technology and having an advantage over you, buy one. If I have a better graphics card while playing an online FPS which gives me incredible frame rates while others are stuck at 10 frames per second, am I cheating because I have better hardware?

[3PointMan]

Does anyone know the youtube users name? The video is down and I need to know his name. I tried googling it (it came up) but I cant view the cache of a youtube video. Codguy said it wad rufio something..

 

EDIT: HIS NAME IS RUFIO1330

[toast647]

and they don't ban you for it.

 

That's not true.

[muggiwhplar]

Does anyone know the youtube users name? The video is down and I need to know his name. I tried googling it (it came up) but I cant view the cache of a youtube video. Codguy said it wad rufio something..

 

http://forum.tip.it/user/68732-artemis1330/

 

Send him a PM and ask him what his Youtube account name is yourself ;)

[sees_all1]

It's not third party software, it's his hardware.

Its not the hardware that's against the rules, ITS THE SOFTWARE IN IT!

The fact that he can PROGRAM the mouse to do different things means that it is SOFTWARE.

 

 

Its also unclear where the SOFTWARE resides - whether its on the PC, generating inputs based upon which extraneous button is pressed, or in the MOUSE where setting it up would be a little tricky. If the mouse comes with a setup utility, its almost certain it resides ON THE COMPUTER, hence software.

[1230abcz]

I thought I explained it well enough in my first post. He's assigning a 5-key from his number pad onto a button on his mouse.

 

Think about it like this: You turn on mouse keys and have your right-click button on your mouse represent the "5" that does all the clicking. What he did in the video (which he removed, btw) is he assigned the 5-key to a button on his mouse and basically holds the mouse button down. If you use mouse keys normally, you can't drag and click anything with your 5-key, but with a mouse you can. Combine those two, and you have what he's doing. A rapid-firing 5-key that you can hold and drag with your mouse.

 

This next part I can't explain very well, but it seems that the input for "holding" your mouse key translates into literally thousands out generated outputs (aka: a left-click). So, as he holds down one of the assigned buttons on this mouse, he's essentially clicking a couple thousand times per second. All he has to do in move his cursor where he wants to click, and it'll click for him. Since herbs and fletching bolts don't function in game cycles like combat or almost anything else in Runescape for that matter, the speed at which he cleans/makes bolts is only limited to how fast he can move his cursor back and forth. Considering it takes him .9seconds to clean a full inventory, it's entirely possible to move your pointer in a zig-zag fashion through your inventory.

[Drakrono]

While I would say it's unfair, I would not go so far as to classify it as outright cheating.

[Trey]

I'd like to see the video and give my input but it's been removed.

[Dire_Wolf]

This is cheating.

[Reztral]

Not cheating because he is just using mousekeys.

[SanNo1]

As far as I can tell, he holds down the button on his mouse to which he has assigned the '5' button to. Now I don't know the exact definition of the word 'input' in English, but it seems to me that the mouse is giving out multiple inputs. As hes been said before, the player and the mouse are effectively creating the same input, so the player is giving out multiple inputs and the game is responding with multiple outputs. The mouse, and thus the player, is clicking several time so I don't think it's against the rules.

 

And to the poster wanting to if you need a num-pad for this, you probably will because you need a way to designate the button to the mouse, which is most likely by pressing it once. But if you already spent $40 on a mouse a few $'s for an external num-pad won't hurt you.

[Dager]

Caveman A discovers fire while Caveman B freezes and calls Caveman A a cheater

 

Abel's sacrafice is much better than Cain's so Cain calls Abel a cheater...then kill him

 

Player A finds a simple way to use his mouse and Player B finds it cheating.

 

Get the pattern?

[sees_all1]

Caveman A discovers fire while Caveman B freezes and calls Caveman A a cheater

 

Abel's sacrafice is much better than Cain's so Cain calls Abel a cheater...then kill him

 

Player A finds a simple way to use his mouse and Player B finds it cheating.

 

Get the pattern?

 

 

A player rewrote/amended the driver of their tablet's touch screen to "autoclick" if he kept the stylus on the same spot for an extended period of time. They used this to high alch items while they watched television. The player was banned for macroing. Their appeal was denied because it was third party software.

 

This is pretty much the EXACT SAME THING, except its with a mouse and not a stylus&tablet.

[atestarossa]

So what he pretty much does, is the same as if I hold down a button on my keyboard, and creates several of the same signs?

Like:

"...................." In one click, instead of "." "." "." "."

If that is macroing, then it would also be considered macroing when people spam "@@@@@@@@@@@@" right?

Although the above example would classify as spam, and be banned anyway thoughl.

[SanNo1]

So what he pretty much does, is the same as if I hold down a button on my keyboard, and creates several of the same signs?

Like:

"...................." In one click, instead of "." "." "." "."

If that is macroing, then it would also be considered macroing when people spam "@@@@@@@@@@@@" right?

Although the above example would classify as spam, and be banned anyway thoughl.

I believe it does exactly this.

[stonewall337]

Caveman A discovers fire while Caveman B freezes and calls Caveman A a cheater

 

Abel's sacrafice is much better than Cain's so Cain calls Abel a cheater...then kill him

 

Player A finds a simple way to use his mouse and Player B finds it cheating.

 

Get the pattern?

 

 

A player rewrote/amended the driver of their tablet's touch screen to "autoclick" if he kept the stylus on the same spot for an extended period of time. They used this to high alch items while they watched television. The player was banned for macroing. Their appeal was denied because it was third party software.

 

This is pretty much the EXACT SAME THING, except its with a mouse and not a stylus&tablet.

 

That is completely asinine, and you should know it. In one case the person is doing nothing, as their is no need to move and no need to click, same as a bot, in the other the guy is using mousekeys.

[91soldin91]

So this functions as an auto clicker? Because the way you describe it, you could just hold down the mouse on your high-alch spot and auto high-alch? Sounds like cheating, but if its not then I have to set my mouse to do this.

[stonewall337]

So this functions as an auto clicker? Because the way you describe it, you could just hold down the mouse on your high-alch spot and auto high-alch? Sounds like cheating, but if its not then I have to set my mouse to do this.

Look up and see what mouskeys are first, before you call something cheating.

[bedman]

Caveman A discovers fire while Caveman B freezes and calls Caveman A a cheater

 

Abel's sacrafice is much better than Cain's so Cain calls Abel a cheater...then kill him

 

Player A finds a simple way to use his mouse and Player B finds it cheating.

 

Get the pattern?

 

 

A player rewrote/amended the driver of their tablet's touch screen to "autoclick" if he kept the stylus on the same spot for an extended period of time. They used this to high alch items while they watched television. The player was banned for macroing. Their appeal was denied because it was third party software.

 

This is pretty much the EXACT SAME THING, except its with a mouse and not a stylus&tablet.

At least this guy is still moving his mouse with his own hands, he's just not doing the clicking. I mean, he's behind his computer, and watching the screen, that's something, no? I would call it borderline cheating.

[Obtaurian]

I agree with Bedman. Borderline cheating. The guy definitely shouldn't be banned or anything, but the way we clean herbs NEEDS to change. It's one of the last remnants of ClickScape (or RSIscape).

 

We need a clean-x.

[sees_all1]

A player rewrote/amended the driver of their tablet's touch screen to "autoclick" if he kept the stylus on the same spot for an extended period of time. They used this to high alch items while they watched television. The player was banned for macroing. Their appeal was denied because it was third party software.

 

This is pretty much the EXACT SAME THING, except its with a mouse and not a stylus&tablet.

 

That is completely asinine, and you should know it. In one case the person is doing nothing, as their is no need to move and no need to click, same as a bot, in the other the guy is using mousekeys.

 

Except they need to keep the stylus held to the screen, which is doing something. I could also mindlessly use mouse keys to click while watching television, and alch this way.

If its considered cheating for one user to change the way the computer triggers input events, then that should be applied uniformly to everyone.

 

If this user, instead of using extraneous, re purposed buttons on the mouse, used actual mouse keys to do the same thing, I would not consider it cheating.

 

 

Oh - question - If I used an auto-talker to use mouse keys to alch for me, would I be banned? Jagex doesn't ban mouse key users, and they don't ban auto-talkers.... I think I might have something....

[Mazhar]

I guess everyone saying its not cheating doesn't mind people getting 200m fletching exp in under 70 hours

[pulli23]

I guess everyone saying its not cheating doesn't mind people getting 200m fletching exp in under 70 hours

You do?

 

Do you actually despise others for getting xp?

 

 

How low can you sink not to be happy for others if they get something with less effort!