12-Apr-2010 - Dungeoneering Skill!

[gago]

It doesn't matter if you're in a team or solo, the cave adapts to the size of the group and i think the system is quite fair, so i'm soloing.

 

And libs, i've read through it. No, just no... Trolling and hating before properly trying the minigame-skill is not the way to go. In my oppinion MMG has made a lot of nice updates, making rs more enjoyable and varied.

Oh, if you still don't like one skill, there are plenty of others for you to train.

[Flyingjj]

Me_Hate_Libs: I liked your parody song, even though I enjoy this update. It was catchy :thumbsup:

 

dungeonal: I want to learn this, though it's probably useless as I lag when I'm there. It's actually the only time in the entire dungeon ever that I've died, though granted it was from running out of food from the special and not the special itself. It was horrible, I needed to hit like an 8 (yes, 8, not 80) on him to kill him before he hit like 20 on me, and I failed to do so. I guess I should just count myself lucky that he didn't respawn to full health, as there was no way I would've been able to find enough food to take him on again.

[a_bert]

Gago, the room where the boss is in doesn't get any bigger :P and there are more attacks because there are more people so less space to dodge them :)

 

@flyingjj, it's not that bad to get the hang of, but if you do get a bit of lag it can screw you over

[gago]

That's for one boss :P Maybe try to get your team all to run in the same directions. Or one part of the team down and left, the other down and right. Try to get a good tactic to minimise the damage. That makes this so amusing, having to tacticise a bit, plan how to do some things, when to use the food, when to use the prayer, who of the team should have what items and howmuch food etc.

 

I have always been a solo person, so i enjoy going in alone the most. Not having to rush, wait for anyone, you can use all the resources that are available by yourself and you can take a rest and go to the toilet without others having to wait or continue without you.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

I said WoW because that's the biggest and well known of those.

 

It wasn't the Instance Dungeons that I was sighting either. It was the group play aspect that WoW is practically entirely reqired to play. This is the first step towards that.

 

I also think this is the final break between me and Jagex.

 

I do agree that WOW focused more on team oriented aspect as a game on its own. But it would be pointless for RS to release another soloable grinding skill. Even thought I really like doing things myself, but at least this will offer more variety compare to all other skill so far (not to mentioning training all other skills as well). After all, its only one skill that share the same similarities, majority of the skills still belong to a genre of their own.

 

At least try the new skill yourself to see if you like it or not. Depend on which direction the overall game is going, you can play along with it, or disagree with it, or just walk away completely.

 

PS: I don't like the new skill myself because it needs a group (reason why I never try WoW in the first place, too much meeting and clan dramas I heard), but at least I am going to give it a try before I superficially judge it and generalize it. (At least I should be able to gather up some RS friend for fun in game activities)

 

I have. I don't like it.

 

So basically if anyone says something you people don't agree with it's trolling? Every bit of criticism, sarcasm, or joking is also trolling? I can't figure out which stupid word is used more and annoying, trolling or failing.

 

And oh yeah, I said specifically that even if you don't agree with the song, it's not entirely my opnion. I was just coming up with whatever I could to make it all fit. I don't have everything.

 

And everyone, shut up about me not giving it a chance. I've given it a chance. It still sucks.

[Myweponsg00d]

 

As I already said, resource skills integrate into the game by providing resources. Is Dung a resource skill? No. It provides optional enhancements that slightly improve the game in marginal ways. And there's nothing new or original about it at all.

 

When they introduced Hunter, they created a new resource skill that provided several completely new ways of getting useful items. They didn't make it a massive rehash of existing skills.

 

Suppose the Hunter "skill" involved you going to hunting grounds, taking off all your items, spending hours killing critters using only other skills, and then you only got rewards at the end by turning in tokens. Do you think the response would have been any different?

 

Skills enhance my ability to play across the game, or provide me with useful items I can use immediately, or let me earn money. I can get fish with level 1 Fishing -- maybe not the best of fish, but fish all the same. At level 1 mining I can mine items that have a use. At level 1 RC I can make runes. At level 1 Hunter I can earn over 100,000 gold per hour by catching polar kebbits!

 

 

 

 

First of all, you have officially undermined your own argument. You start by saying there is nothing new about this skill. Then your main complaint is that the reward system is so unlike "a skill". So we get a new skill in which you think the reward system is different (which you think is a bad thing) but then you say this skill has nothing new to offer (which is a contradiction since you just said the thing you dont like about it is that it isnt like other skills)

 

What do I get at level 1 Dungeoneering? The ability to get to level 2 Dungeoneering.

What do I get at level 2 Dungeoneering? The ability to get to level 3 Dungeoneering.

 

And so on: repeat 50 times.

 

Can you tell me how something can be called a skill when you can get to level 50 in it and not get ANYTHING out of it aside from being able to get to level 51?

 

I simply do not understand what you are getting at here. Dungeoneering has rewards that you get at various levels.

 

Skills enhance my ability to play across the game,

 

Again, just proving yourself wrong with contradictory claims. You say that Dung isnt a skill because all it does is provide optional enhancements. Then you go on to say that skills enhance your abilities.

 

Lets compare Dung to Agility then? Do you harvest items in agility? No. Does having agility enhance your abilities? Yes. Having a higher agility level allows you to use obstacles that make your life easier. Having a Dung level allows you to use items that make your life easier.

 

Is agility required on tons of non-obstacle non-course things in runescape? Yes. But does agility make use of other skills? No. Dungeoneering levels might not be required in various parts of the game, but Dungeoneering has these other skills implemented inside of it.

 

Why is one thing better than the other? Different skills are different.

 

But really.

 

You complain that the skill is too different from other skills, but also you complain that it is not a fresh idea. You complain that it is not a skill, yet you say that some skills are meant to help you, and not every skill will DIRECTLY produce a raw material to use in RS. Perhaps you should more clearly re-evaluate your logic before posting again.

 

And further I fail to see the difference between the way the Dung items come into the game VS the way you obtain rewards in other skills. Would you rather we get a very rare chance at one of the rewards each time we finish a dungeon? Whats the point in that? Now we get to choose the rewards that we want from the skill instead of getting random items dropped.

 

Also: slayer points. Just saying, this isnt the only skill where you get a consistent "point" reward.

 

 

 

I have. I don't like it.

 

So basically if anyone says something you people don't agree with it's trolling? Every bit of criticism, sarcasm, or joking is also trolling? I can't figure out which stupid word is used more and annoying, trolling or failing.

 

And oh yeah, I said specifically that even if you don't agree with the song, it's not entirely my opnion. I was just coming up with whatever I could to make it all fit. I don't have everything.

 

And everyone, shut up about me not giving it a chance. I've given it a chance. It still sucks.

 

What IS your Dung level?

[Guthorm]

I said WoW because that's the biggest and well known of those.

 

It wasn't the Instance Dungeons that I was sighting either. It was the group play aspect that WoW is practically entirely reqired to play. This is the first step towards that.

 

I also think this is the final break between me and Jagex.

 

I do agree that WOW focused more on team oriented aspect as a game on its own. But it would be pointless for RS to release another soloable grinding skill. Even thought I really like doing things myself, but at least this will offer more variety compare to all other skill so far (not to mentioning training all other skills as well). After all, its only one skill that share the same similarities, majority of the skills still belong to a genre of their own.

 

At least try the new skill yourself to see if you like it or not. Depend on which direction the overall game is going, you can play along with it, or disagree with it, or just walk away completely.

 

PS: I don't like the new skill myself because it needs a group (reason why I never try WoW in the first place, too much meeting and clan dramas I heard), but at least I am going to give it a try before I superficially judge it and generalize it. (At least I should be able to gather up some RS friend for fun in game activities)

 

I have. I don't like it.

 

So basically if anyone says something you people don't agree with it's trolling? Every bit of criticism, sarcasm, or joking is also trolling? I can't figure out which stupid word is used more and annoying, trolling or failing.

 

And oh yeah, I said specifically that even if you don't agree with the song, it's not entirely my opnion. I was just coming up with whatever I could to make it all fit. I don't have everything.

 

And everyone, shut up about me not giving it a chance. I've given it a chance. It still sucks.

 

I do not have a definition for trolling, but I do think that it is annoying. Why? Because you are all over the place telling everybody how much you dislike/hate the skill in a petty way. For example I think is obvious that I like the skill, but you do not see me posting all over the thread claiming how the skill is the win or how Jagex is so great for making this skill. No, I sit down and discussed the skill with other players and reasoned out the pros/cons with the skill. Why do some players like it and why do some players dislike it. What I think you need to do is simply to be less outspoken, post your opinion-I like/dislike this because of XYZ and then discuss it with everyone else without popping up every few posts adding in a snide comment on how the update is such a failure. Qeltar is doing this and I find his posts enlightening instead of annoying.

 

Just my two cents.

[Hajutze]

So basically if anyone says something you people don't agree with it's trolling? Every bit of criticism, sarcasm, or joking is also trolling? I can't figure out which stupid word is used more and annoying, trolling or failing.

Not every negative post is counted as trolling, but the only thing I've seen from you (and few more users) since I joined is negativism. And as you can see that's more than 4 years ... And TBH I've watched the forums maybe ~1 year before I had to register to ask something .. So its like 5 years ? Most of which was filled with negative posts.

[Mecakoto]

The song you made was immature and childish. It was unnecessary and contributed nothing to the thread. Your critisism of this update falls of deaf ears not only because of that little "song," but because you have a history of trolling any update you can.

 

Playing devil's advocate and saying that you don't like an update is fine. Making up a song then saying, "...even if you don't agree with the song, it's not entirely my opnion" when it is your own opinion, then saying an update "sucks" without going into any real detail is trolling.

[Low C]

Honestly who here finds this skill reminds you of Diablo 2. Fighting over loot with my best friend made me think back to looting levels in Diablo back in the day lol.

[mega_vegeta6]

I said WoW because that's the biggest and well known of those.

It wasn't the Instance Dungeons that I was sighting either. It was the group play aspect that WoW is practically entirely reqired to play. This is the first step towards that.

I also think this is the final break between me and Jagex.

I do agree that WOW focused more on team oriented aspect as a game on its own. But it would be pointless for RS to release another soloable grinding skill. Even thought I really like doing things myself, but at least this will offer more variety compare to all other skill so far (not to mentioning training all other skills as well). After all, its only one skill that share the same similarities, majority of the skills still belong to a genre of their own.

At least try the new skill yourself to see if you like it or not. Depend on which direction the overall game is going, you can play along with it, or disagree with it, or just walk away completely.

PS: I don't like the new skill myself because it needs a group (reason why I never try WoW in the first place, too much meeting and clan dramas I heard), but at least I am going to give it a try before I superficially judge it and generalize it. (At least I should be able to gather up some RS friend for fun in game activities)

I have. I don't like it.

So basically if anyone says something you people don't agree with it's trolling? Every bit of criticism, sarcasm, or joking is also trolling? I can't figure out which stupid word is used more and annoying, trolling or failing.

And oh yeah, I said specifically that even if you don't agree with the song, it's not entirely my opnion. I was just coming up with whatever I could to make it all fit. I don't have everything.

And everyone, shut up about me not giving it a chance. I've given it a chance. It still sucks.

Firemaking also sucks. But still people train it everywhere. Dungeoneering is much better fun than firemaking. Do you train firemaking?

[Myweponsg00d]

 

So basically if anyone says something you people don't agree with it's trolling? Every bit of criticism, sarcasm, or joking is also trolling? I can't figure out which stupid word is used more and annoying, trolling or failing.

 

 

There is a difference between you voicing your opinion on something, and you trying to present your opinion like it is a fact.

 

You don't like the skill. Probably because you dont like anything, and you dont actually enjoy the game.

 

But. Theres a difference. You try to convice people that this skill is, logically, flawed. There is simply no logical reason that this skill shouldn't be a part of this game.

 

You just DONT LIKE IT. And you need to stop pretending like it is a fact that this skill is bad. It is no less of a skill than any other skill in the game.

[Guthorm]

You know..the reward system actually sounds better in my head when I thought of it this way.

 

As you guys know, right now the equation for getting a drop in from a boss is luck+effort(time)=drop. For example, you camp TDS for X amount of time and with a good deal of luck, you get a claws drop. Now even if you are a very dedicated player and very skilled in monster hunting, without luck, the drops will never come.(I am looking at you theuberelite).

 

Now what D'eering basically did was change the equation to Effort(time)+Skill=drop. You have to dedicate massive amount of times to raid the dungeons, the more skillful you are at killing bosses/solving puzzles/using tactics, the sooner you will get a drop. This completely removes the luck factor which I really really hates. Of course I understand that some people like the surprise when a TDS drop a pair of claws, but for me, I find the reward system for D'eering more satisfying.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

So basically if anyone says something you people don't agree with it's trolling? Every bit of criticism, sarcasm, or joking is also trolling? I can't figure out which stupid word is used more and annoying, trolling or failing.

Not every negative post is counted as trolling, but the only thing I've seen from you (and few more users) since I joined is negativism. And as you can see that's more than 4 years ... And TBH I've watched the forums maybe ~1 year before I had to register to ask something .. So its like 5 years ? Most of which was filled with negative posts.

 

Odd because I think I posted all of ten time in my first 5 years here. I only really began near the end of '08.

 

And to anyone who thinks I'm a troll, look the the word "curmudgeon" because that is what I am.

 

Immature and childish? How? I took an existing song and tried to make it funny and critical. I was bashing Jagex, but in a good natured way. I wasn't stating my absolute opinion in song.

 

I've gone into detail about why I think it sucks. I made up an amusing song that says it sucks. I added most parts to just fit the general rhyme scheme of the original song. You don't like the song because it contradicts your opinion of the skill. You aren't able to make an objective opinion on it, you also don't like it because I did it.

 

Fine, call me a troll. Everyone can? I'll tell you straight up you really don't know how little I care. I'm not going anywhere anytime soon, I'm not quitting the game, and I'm going to criticize every crappy update that they lay on us.

 

Troll life what what! :thumbup:

[Hajutze]

I shall quote myself

"you (and few more)"

This indicates that in my view you are a member of a group of whiners which TBH I think of as one entity.

[Myweponsg00d]

 

 

I've gone into detail about why I think it sucks.

 

But you havent. You have just stated things (which are illogical) and pretended that they verify your opinion.

 

They dont though.

[mega_vegeta6]

Fine, call me a troll. Everyone can? I'll tell you straight up you really don't know how little I care. I'm not going anywhere anytime soon, I'm not quitting the game, and I'm going to criticize every crappy update that they lay on us.

Oh but here's the problem. You criticize every update, because you just dont know how to appreciate the game.

[Mecakoto]

Go ahead and continue posting, Libs. You'll just continue being a worthless poster that most people will disregard.

 

Also, what is your Dungeoneering level? Someone else brought it up and I'd also like to know. I'd put money on it being less then 10.

[Myweponsg00d]

Go ahead and continue posting, Libs. You'll just continue being a worthless poster that most people will disregard.

 

Also, what is your Dungeoneering level? Someone else brought it up and I'd also like to know. I'd put money on it being less then 10.

 

I'll bet my bank on <5

[redleg06]

Go ahead and continue posting, Libs. You'll just continue being a worthless poster that most people will disregard.

 

Also, what is your Dungeoneering level? Someone else brought it up and I'd also like to know. I'd put money on it being less then 10.

although it is the best skil by far, there still isn't anything wrong with it under 10. mine is 8, but i solo and love the skill. planning on helping record data

[tony112x]

yeah, it's not like the rest of the 13/100M xp will be any different at all ;) nice sample size lol, jagex is feeding from your tears.

 

i personally like it and think it has a lot of potential. as a skill, it might be very slow to train, but it's enjoyable. there's enough content for it not to get repetative. and what's the difference, clicking on rocks/fishing spots/trees to satisfy your need for levels and xp, or completing dungeons. in the end, if you want it to be so, it can become mindless xp hogging, just like all the other skills. but only if you want it to ;)

 

i mean, you dont have to train a skill if you dont like it... whoa, does not compile, eh? yeah, we'll still train it. and if we don't like it, we'll just do it for the xp and levels, sense of achievement, just like all the other skills.

[Hajutze]

Go ahead and continue posting, Libs. You'll just continue being a worthless poster that most people will disregard.

 

Also, what is your Dungeoneering level? Someone else brought it up and I'd also like to know. I'd put money on it being less then 10.

although it is the best skil by far, there still isn't anything wrong with it under 10. mine is 8, but i solo and love the skill. planning on helping record data

It's not wrong to have it under level 10, it's wrong to comment something without actually trying it (it's like saying RuneScape sucks after 3 hours of playtime) and trying to convince the others that it's the worst thing that ever existed without actual proof or experience.

[decebal]

Uhm... this might be my new-found WoW nerdyness, but isnt this a lot like instancing in World of Warcraft?

 

And I'm just wondering, No Calling me a troll pl0x :smile:

[Zepheras]

You know..the reward system actually sounds better in my head when I thought of it this way.

 

As you guys know, right now the equation for getting a drop in from a boss is luck+effort(time)=drop. For example, you camp TDS for X amount of time and with a good deal of luck, you get a claws drop. Now even if you are a very dedicated player and very skilled in monster hunting, without luck, the drops will never come.(I am looking at you theuberelite).

 

Now what D'eering basically did was change the equation to Effort(time)+Skill=drop. You have to dedicate massive amount of times to raid the dungeons, the more skillful you are at killing bosses/solving puzzles/using tactics, the sooner you will get a drop. This completely removes the luck factor which I really really hates. Of course I understand that some people like the surprise when a TDS drop a pair of claws, but for me, I find the reward system for D'eering more satisfying.

 

There is a much better way to implement this. Say, you want the coal bag. We have a coal-eating behemoth as a boss. You kill, the carcass remains on the ground. You harvest either a thick or thin behemoth hide from it. The carcass disappears when every member of the team harvest once. The bag takes 30 thick hides, 20 thin hides (or basically a number such that you have about enough hide by the time you have enough dungeoneering EXP for the next boss), and level 30 crafting to craft, for 10k crafting EXP. The bag's non-tradeable.

[Danqazmlp]

Well i've had a few hours of the skill and it is very fun. People will still find ways to grind it, but it is a skill that is fun to train. My current problem with it however is that it is more suited to a mini game than an entire skill. This is mainly because there is a single location in which you have to train it. If in future they bring out further dungeons across runescape then i would retract this comment, but for now it seems too focused on one location.

 

It is much harder and fairly limited in F2P unfortunately so I doubt I will do it much until I get members again in the summer. It is not easy taking out so many enemies with just rune equivalent armour and weapons.