Chaotic Rapier vs Longsword

[Zharfist]

I hope that im not going to start a flame war here. Anyways, on to the point.

 

Well, I am currently 64 Dungeoneering, might get 80 sooner or later, depends how motivated I am.

I do Slayer, NOT for Slayer xp, but for a mixture of cash and exp. A bit of bosses such as TDs and Bandos, or KBD when I get a black dragon task.

 

So, which is the best/most recommended Chaotic weapon for me?

 

Please take note, that I DO NOT have Turmoil, or Extreme potions.

Who knows what happens in the future, but what Chaotic weapon would suit me the best?

 

PS. I might have bad english. Being a Finn is ftw.

[gremmy]

Rapier.

[Grimy_Bunyip]

I hope that im not going to start a flame war here. Anyways, on to the point.

 

Well, I am currently 64 Dungeoneering, might get 80 sooner or later, depends how motivated I am.

I do Slayer, NOT for Slayer xp, but for a mixture of cash and exp. A bit of bosses such as TDs and Bandos, or KBD when I get a black dragon task.

 

So, which is the best/most recommended Chaotic weapon for me?

 

Please take note, that I DO NOT have Turmoil, or Extreme potions.

Who knows what happens in the future, but what Chaotic weapon would suit me the best?

 

PS. I might have bad english. Being a Finn is ftw.

rapier, CLS is really only for people who do nothing but hunt bosses all the time.

in which case if you do hunt bosses all the time, the CLS could be better, but it's not 100% proven yet.

[Capt_Davy]

Surprisingly, a CR has a surprisingly good DPS on waterfiends (at least while you're on task.) Everyone assumes that since WFs are weak to crush and resistant to slash that they'd have good stab defence, but it's mediocre at best.

 

I haven't done the tests (since I'm 99 summon I've blocked WF tasks) but just from friends I have heard CR can at least compete with SS/ZS there, if not maul.

I tested this quite a bit of time ago, and rapier is worse than zs/ss, but not by alot(10% or so).

 

That's interesting, actually.

 

Although how do we know they have good slash defense? I've whipped them before, and it wasn't half bad.

 

seeing as rapier can fare decently at waterfiends with +137 stab attack (whole setup), I wonder if CLS would be noticibly more accurate with +174 slash attack (or +150 stab, but im assuming that rapier would still have better DPS on waterfiends if you used stab with CLS). Has anyone tested CLS slashing on waterfiends compared to rapier, and tried on task vs off task?

[xpx]

If you need to find something then please, test it yourself, it's pretty much useless to run around asking others to do everything for you.

 

In any case, with a roll-based assumption of accuracy, CLS can't be better than rapier for waterfiends. My test was done on task with a focus on attack bonus(ardy cape), so realistically, rapier can't also be better than ss/zs with current bonuses(i also used overloads, obviously).

[Capt_Davy]

If you need to find something then please, test it yourself, it's pretty much useless to run around asking others to do everything for you.

 

In any case, with a roll-based assumption of accuracy, CLS can't be better than rapier for waterfiends. My test was done on task with a focus on attack bonus(ardy cape), so realistically, rapier can't also be better than ss/zs with current bonuses(i also used overloads, obviously).

 

ah...well guess that answers my question.

 

and no, I can't test these things myself, I'm only 73 dungeoneering, and in any case, getting rapier + CLS before anything else is a pretty dumb idea, and I don't think I'll be dungeoneering enough to get more than 2 chaotic weapons.

[SirIzenhime]

If you need to find something then please, test it yourself, it's pretty much useless to run around asking others to do everything for you.

 

In any case, with a roll-based assumption of accuracy, CLS can't be better than rapier for waterfiends. My test was done on task with a focus on attack bonus(ardy cape), so realistically, rapier can't also be better than ss/zs with current bonuses(i also used overloads, obviously).

 

ah...well guess that answers my question.

 

and no, I can't test these things myself, I'm only 73 dungeoneering, and in any case, getting rapier + CLS before anything else is a pretty dumb idea, and I don't think I'll be dungeoneering enough to get more than 2 chaotic weapons.

 

Mind explaining why it's dumb?

[Capt_Davy]

Rapier and CLS are fairly similar, so while you use one (most likely rapier) a lot, the other won't get used much, which makes it pretty much a waste of 200k tokens. On the other hand, if you had 2 more diverse chaotic weapons, such as say, rapier and maul, the different attack styles makes the combo more versatile (same for chaotic crossbow + rapier, etc). Of course, im not saying that rapier + CLS is a bad combo, but it's just definitely not the best. In other words, rapier + CLS combo is something that should only be gotten after your first two chaotic weapons.

 

I believe you posted where CLS/rapier is good at, take a look at that list, and tell me where Rapier/Maul combo, or even CLS/Maul, or Rapier/Crossbow wouldn't be better than Rapier/CLS combo.

[gypsyeater]

I have a CR and a CLS.

I can say they are both good to have. I use CR for everything, appart from various tasks that I need a slight boost of accuracy. I.E. Sara GWD.

[Capt_Davy]

I have a CR and a CLS.

I can say they are both good to have. I use CR for everything, appart from various tasks that I need a slight boost of accuracy. I.E. Sara GWD.

 

That's my point, you end up using CR for everything, so CLS is hardly used at all. And in all honesty, it's great that you melee Zilyana with CLS, but wouldn't it be better to CM maul her, or even use veracs?

[gypsyeater]

I have a CR and a CLS.

I can say they are both good to have. I use CR for everything, appart from various tasks that I need a slight boost of accuracy. I.E. Sara GWD.

 

That's my point, you end up using CR for everything, so CLS is hardly used at all. And in all honesty, it's great that you melee Zilyana with CLS, but wouldn't it be better to CM maul her, or even use veracs?

 

Veracs may be accurate when it's special is activated. But other than that...meh. CLS's accuracy applys to it all the time. Not to mention it has way more strength than a v flail.

And I wouldn't know what the CM's dps is like on sara; as I don't have one.

[Capt_Davy]

I have a CR and a CLS.

I can say they are both good to have. I use CR for everything, appart from various tasks that I need a slight boost of accuracy. I.E. Sara GWD.

 

That's my point, you end up using CR for everything, so CLS is hardly used at all. And in all honesty, it's great that you melee Zilyana with CLS, but wouldn't it be better to CM maul her, or even use veracs?

 

Veracs may be accurate when it's special is activated. But other than that...meh. CLS's accuracy applys to it all the time. Not to mention it has way more strength than a v flail.

And I wouldn't know what the CM's dps is like on sara; as I don't have one.

 

What you say about veracs, that's interesting because I thought it was only so-so with its regular attack (crush of course), and the special just made it even more accurate. Hm guess not quite so. I've seen CLS at solo sara, and it's good, although CM is definitely better (a good bit more accurate, and you can hit-and-run without wasting any potential hits).

 

About solo sara, do you need a rune defender in order to hit Zilyana well, or could you use something such as Ely/Divine/Spectral and do just fine?

[gypsyeater]

I have a CR and a CLS.

I can say they are both good to have. I use CR for everything, appart from various tasks that I need a slight boost of accuracy. I.E. Sara GWD.

 

That's my point, you end up using CR for everything, so CLS is hardly used at all. And in all honesty, it's great that you melee Zilyana with CLS, but wouldn't it be better to CM maul her, or even use veracs?

 

Veracs may be accurate when it's special is activated. But other than that...meh. CLS's accuracy applys to it all the time. Not to mention it has way more strength than a v flail.

And I wouldn't know what the CM's dps is like on sara; as I don't have one.

 

What you say about veracs, that's interesting because I thought it was only so-so with its regular attack (crush of course), and the special just made it even more accurate. Hm guess not quite so. I've seen CLS at solo sara, and it's good, although CM is definitely better (a good bit more accurate, and you can hit-and-run without wasting any potential hits).

 

About solo sara, do you need a rune defender in order to hit Zilyana well, or could you use something such as Ely/Divine/Spectral and do just fine?

 

I would like some proof that the CM is better than CLS there as I'm assuming you don't have either. So you haven't tested yourself.

 

As for solo I've never used CLS, because a while back I lost claws and guthans while soloing. So now I always go in a team, with which I've always used a defender.

[Low C]

Got rapier and necklace. I gotta say 30 minute fire giant and dusty task so far that i've tested it has influenced me to recommend it to any serious slayer.

 

My next chaotic will be CLS or CCbow. I'm leaning towards cls since I would probably do bandos and sara more than arma.

[gypsyeater]

By the way, there's a vid' on youtube that shows rapier has a better dps than cls at bandos.

[Low C]

By the way, there's a vid' on youtube that shows rapier has a better dps than cls at bandos.

Give me a few and i'll buy it and test both.

 

Or I could hop over to youtube and look at a small sample size test and assume.

[Michael]

By the way, there's a vid' on youtube that shows rapier has a better dps than cls at bandos.

Give me a few and i'll buy it and test both.

 

Or I could hop over to youtube and look at a small sample size test and assume.

 

That sounds like the kind of comparisons this thread is made up of.

[gypsyeater]

Umm, it was a vid of two guys with turm + overload. They both had cr, cls and cm.

They killed bandos with each one for quite afew kills (10-20 I'm guessing).

They then came to the conclusion that using a rapier killed bandos the fastest.

[Michael]

Umm, it was a vid of two guys with turm + overload. They both had cr, cls and cm.

They killed bandos with each one for quite afew kills (10-20 I'm guessing).

They then came to the conclusion that using a rapier killed bandos the fastest.

 

20 kill sample? Ok.

[Naraku893]

 

Just got my rapier because CLS is a complete waste.

[Squisher_33]

looks like you finaly got rapier, now go powerslay 99 def with it

 

well the fact that you say cls is a complete waste made me think.....not entirely, because cls is better at 1 thing and 1 thing only, thats wyverns

 

however as proven today by zarfat himself

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwDfsBcojIQ&feature=sub

 

so it looks like cls is truely useless.

 

the previous 2 scenarios that i would maybe have given to cls was bandos and wyvern tasks, but now i must agree it has no use

[PereGrin]

looks like you finaly got rapier, now go powerslay 99 def with it

 

well the fact that you say cls is a complete waste made me think.....not entirely, because cls is better at 1 thing and 1 thing only, thats wyverns

 

however as proven today by zarfat himself

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwDfsBcojIQ&feature=sub

 

so it looks like cls is truely useless.

 

the previous 2 scenarios that i would maybe have given to cls was bandos and wyvern tasks, but now i must agree it has no use

To the select few people who actually play lots of castle wars. CLS works with the profound armor, but the Maul does not. It maxes at about the same as the maul because of this. For meleeing, I believe CLS is best at castle wars. Really only a very select scenario tho.

[Assume Nothing]

looks like you finaly got rapier, now go powerslay 99 def with it

 

well the fact that you say cls is a complete waste made me think.....not entirely, because cls is better at 1 thing and 1 thing only, thats wyverns

 

however as proven today by zarfat himself

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwDfsBcojIQ&feature=sub

 

so it looks like cls is truely useless.

 

the previous 2 scenarios that i would maybe have given to cls was bandos and wyvern tasks, but now i must agree it has no use

To the select few people who actually play lots of castle wars. CLS works with the profound armor, but the Maul does not. It maxes at about the same as the maul because of this. For meleeing, I believe CLS is best at castle wars. Really only a very select scenario tho.

 

Swh is the best weapon at Castlewars.

[Cassynder]

looks like you finaly got rapier, now go powerslay 99 def with it

 

well the fact that you say cls is a complete waste made me think.....not entirely, because cls is better at 1 thing and 1 thing only, thats wyverns

 

however as proven today by zarfat himself

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwDfsBcojIQ&feature=sub

 

so it looks like cls is truely useless.

 

the previous 2 scenarios that i would maybe have given to cls was bandos and wyvern tasks, but now i must agree it has no use

To the select few people who actually play lots of castle wars. CLS works with the profound armor, but the Maul does not. It maxes at about the same as the maul because of this. For meleeing, I believe CLS is best at castle wars. Really only a very select scenario tho.

 

Swh is the best weapon at Castlewars.

 

No, it's not.

[gypsyeater]

If you're saying that the cls is the best with profound you'd be wrong. As the rapier is better...