Chaotic Rapier vs Longsword

[SirIzenhime]

just wont to know for certen.

what one would be best for me.

 

no pking

genral training

some boss hunting

 

or should i use my whip for xp and buy one just for bosses?

 

You're only 47 dungeoneering, you have time to figure it out. They might even release something better with this batch so who knows.

 

They aren't, the batch where they're adding rewards isn't going to be for a few more months.

[SwreeTak]

Well, CLS is still cooler in my opinion. Even if it "is like a Vesta Longsword on anti-depressants." :P

[Star_Fox]

A ranged weapon that is obsolete to an equally priced melee weapon? This isn't like Jergex

 

Actually, it is.

[swordb88]

Well, CLS is still cooler in my opinion. Even if it "is like a Vesta Longsword on anti-depressants." :P

 

haha i concour

[Sir_Kurity]

A ranged weapon that is obsolete to an equally priced melee weapon? This isn't like Jergex

 

Actually, it is.

 

No, its really not.

 

Rune Xbow is hilariously cheap compared to some melee weapons, but its also insanely powerful (dependant of course on bolts).

[xpx]

Well, CLS is still cooler in my opinion. Even if it "is like a Vesta Longsword on anti-depressants." :P

Actually it's great to have people like this- training with dfs, cls, possibly bandos boots and obsidian cape because they are ''cooler''. Why not go for a partyhat and DSS while you are at it, as being good rather than a hypocrite seems less important to these people. Bringing looks to a discussion of efficency doesn't really serve a purpose- cls might have looked nice from the start, but realistically, it was obselete from the getgo- maul/rapier are much better than anything cls can get you, and rapier is a much better compromise even for the higher defence. And well, if you don't agree, then please, prove me wrong, tell me a place where cls is, hands down, the clear favorite of these 3 weapons? because i can name a load for either rapier or maul.

[blackeagle4]

Well, CLS is still cooler in my opinion. Even if it "is like a Vesta Longsword on anti-depressants." :P

Actually it's great to have people like this- training with dfs, cls, possibly bandos boots and obsidian cape because they are ''cooler''. Why not go for a partyhat and DSS while you are at it, as being good rather than a hypocrite seems less important to these people. Bringing looks to a discussion of efficency doesn't really serve a purpose- cls might have looked nice from the start, but realistically, it was obselete from the getgo- maul/rapier are much better than anything cls can get you, and rapier is a much better compromise even for the higher defence. And well, if you don't agree, then please, prove me wrong, tell me a place where cls is, hands down, the clear favorite of these 3 weapons? because i can name a load for either rapier or maul.

 

He never said anything about it looking cooler, just thought I'd point that out.

 

CLS is for having fun, its NOT the best in EVERY situation, but it is USEFULL everywhere you take it, hell, whichever of the 3 you get, you wont be needing a whip anymore.

 

 

I've used a VLS at Bandos before, and it far outshines a whip, with numbers, its has +1.5x the slash bonus an +1.46x the strength of a whip.

 

If anything, the ONLY weapon that became obsolete with Chaotic weapons, it's the whip.

 

Edit: Next time, instead of saying 'omg u want cls ur an idiot' maybe think, oh, that persons opinion, and/or needs are different to your own, and they would rather get a CLS.

[bedman]

Ow, it's a discussion about 'FUN'. Well too bad, but you can't have a discussion about that since it's 100% subjective.

 

"Bronze dagger is best cause I think it's fun" is NOT a way to make a point.

[blackeagle4]

Ow, it's a discussion about 'FUN'. Well too bad, but you can't have a discussion about that since it's 100% subjective.

 

"Bronze dagger is best cause I think it's fun" is NOT a way to make a point.

 

Its an Item in a game, Games are generally played to have fun! who woulda guessed that?

 

The title Say Chaotic Rapier VS Chaotic Longsword, it does not specify in which ways one must be better than the other, thus, 'fun-ness' should be included.

 

If your definition of 'fun' is doing everything the most efficient way, then by all means use your Rapier to the best of your ability, in my opinion CLS vs CR, CLS wins, not only is it aesthetically more attractive, it hits higher, and is more acurate, there's a few things it wins at, and i think because of these it outshines the competition.

[Zaaps1]

So for general boss hunting, like TDS, GWD, etc., would the Maul or Rapier be the preferred option?

[Quyneax]

Rapier. At least, for td's for sure, and whip > gs at bandos already, so I imagine the accuracy with rapier to be good enough already (not needing long).

[Obtaurian]

So for general boss hunting, like TDS, GWD, etc., would the Maul or Rapier be the preferred option?

 

If you include the word "general" in your inquiry, the rapier is for you. ;)

 

I have no idea what I'll be getting second, but I'd love to see how well a maul does at waterfiends.

[Mecakoto]

I want 85 for Frost dragons... Might as well go for 89 and get the Maul... Rapier -> Maul -> ??? (because the Longsword just isn't worth it imo)

[Golvellius]

At first, I was going for the Crapier.

But, then the castle wars update came out.

Crapier just isn't accurate enough on people in full bandos or barrows melee.

What really turned me off to Crapier/profound set was that I was beating people with my whip/profound most of the time.

Yet, when I met Clong/profound, I usually lost.

So I finally got a Clong yesterday.

I've been a happy camper with Clong so far. Hard not to when you max around 700.

I've two hitted many 138s in full bandos with steel titans. :thumbsup::)

 

I also plan to use the 160ish controlled stab on things like KBD, skeletal wyverns, iron, steel and mithril dragons.

I wouldn't slay general monsters with it when the whip is good enough and 200k an hr for another 20 str on a Crapier just doesn't float my boat at the moment.

I don't think I'll get a Crapier ever, I'm eyeballing a farseer shield and a bunch of those ring upgrades plus hopefully more gear when Dunegeoneering 3 comes out.

[Zaaps1]

Would the Rapier still be effective at, say, Barrows? Or Sara GWD?

 

The thing is with boss hunting, it's not like regular monsters. For regular monsters, you can adjust your gear to what is most commonly killed. For bosses, however, you have to adjust your gear to the toughest boss.

[Obtaurian]

Would the Rapier still be effective at, say, Barrows? Or Sara GWD?

 

The thing is with boss hunting, it's not like regular monsters. For regular monsters, you can adjust your gear to what is most commonly killed. For bosses, however, you have to adjust your gear to the toughest boss.

 

If you look at the barrows thread, Bedman posted a setup using void, a rapier, and overloads. It apparently works very well. It's not the best way to do barrows, but it comes close and it's much more straightforward than, say, using a salamander.

[Zaaps1]

I can't see it being too effective though, unless they're weak to stab? GS would give higher bonuses and that doesn't work out too well.

[Obtaurian]

I can't see it being too effective though, unless they're weak to stab? GS would give higher bonuses and that doesn't work out too well.

 

Using turmoil and overloads with void, Bedman claims to three-hit them pretty often. You should read the post, it's pretty interesting.

[xpx]

Well with the new dungeoneering update i'd say every cls fanboys just got a major kick in the groin- rapier far outshines cls at frost dragons which is a better moneymaker than any bosshunting around, only place where a cls might have been a bit better than the rapier before the update. As before the update, i could chuckle at the guys who cared about the looks of their weapons, i can now laugh freely seeing them kill frosts with zamorakian spears.

 

Also, i can understand people buying a cls or the maul for that matter, i just don't get people trying to prove that the cls is the better weapon in any relevant situation when infact, it's barely as good, and much worse overall.

[Zaaps1]

Can't the CLS stab?

[blackeagle4]

Can't the CLS stab?

 

Exactly what i thought about the guy above you lol :roll:

[Obtaurian]

Can't the CLS stab?

 

Exactly what i thought about the guy above you lol :roll:

 

Yes, but much more slowly than a CR. With turmoil and extremes, ZS outshines CLS at stabbing.

[Squisher_33]

Can't the CLS stab?

 

Exactly what i thought about the guy above you lol :roll:

 

Yes, but much more slowly than a CR. With turmoil and extremes, ZS outshines CLS at stabbing.

 

i often get the remark that "its only 1 speed faster" but thats quite a huge differance, that means it hits 1.25x faster, every 4 cls hits = 5 cr hits, any maxed player wont have problem hitting almost every time with 140 stab unles theyre fighting another maxed player

[SirIzenhime]

Well with the new dungeoneering update i'd say every cls fanboys just got a major kick in the groin- rapier far outshines cls at frost dragons which is a better moneymaker than any bosshunting around, only place where a cls might have been a bit better than the rapier before the update. As before the update, i could chuckle at the guys who cared about the looks of their weapons, i can now laugh freely seeing them kill frosts with zamorakian spears.

 

Also, i can understand people buying a cls or the maul for that matter, i just don't get people trying to prove that the cls is the better weapon in any relevant situation when infact, it's barely as good, and much worse overall.

 

Any particular reason you seem to hold such a grudge against those who use the CLS.

You act like it's the hands down worst weapon around, but lets face it, it's the most versatile. The raper is best a low def monster kill, while the Maul is better suited at high defence/weak to crush killing and PVP. The CLS is in the middle, often being the second best weapon to use at nearly any given boss.

 

You seem to act like every CLS owner needs have their brain checked, and you try very hard to point that out in many many posts you've made in this thread.

[Obtaurian]

Well with the new dungeoneering update i'd say every cls fanboys just got a major kick in the groin- rapier far outshines cls at frost dragons which is a better moneymaker than any bosshunting around, only place where a cls might have been a bit better than the rapier before the update. As before the update, i could chuckle at the guys who cared about the looks of their weapons, i can now laugh freely seeing them kill frosts with zamorakian spears.

 

Also, i can understand people buying a cls or the maul for that matter, i just don't get people trying to prove that the cls is the better weapon in any relevant situation when infact, it's barely as good, and much worse overall.

 

Any particular reason you seem to hold such a grudge against those who use the CLS.

You act like it's the hands down worst weapon around, but lets face it, it's the most versatile. The raper is best a low def monster kill, while the Maul is better suited at high defence/weak to crush killing and PVP. The CLS is in the middle, often being the second best weapon to use at nearly any given boss.

 

You seem to act like every CLS owner needs have their brain checked, and you try very hard to point that out in many many posts you've made in this thread.

 

He explicitly said that he understands why people buy the CLS, but he doesn't like when people try to argue that the CLS is better than the rapier when it's not.

 

Also, you're mistaken. The rapier is the best "all-purpose" weapon of the three. The rapier can do anything (except crush, of which the CLS is incapable of, too) effectively and most things VERY effectively. The CLS, however, can only do most things less effectively than the rapier, and very few things more effectively than the rapier.