Chaotic Rapier vs Longsword

[iRed]

 

Just imagine a world where people only care about efficiency and don't care about looks. What would the world look like?

 

 

China.

 

If the world researched more about efficiency, it would be a kinder more charitable place.

 

On the contrary the world would be a terrible place. As soon as you were too old to be efficient a younger more efficient person would take your place and you my friend would be euthanized. Or to heck with you getting too old, you could just get a terminal disease, the result would be the same.

 

And because none of my post was on topic you have my apologies. I was bored while eating breakfast and like to browse this thread and laugh at all the people still arguing that the CLS is better than the CR. The ONLY reason to buy a CLS is if you are basing your purchase 100% on looks, if you care even 1% about efficiency (which in my experience every rs player does, they just hate admitting that they're way of doing things is inefficient because they're also too full of pride to ever admit they're wrong.) then you should get a CR.

 

Screw the rules I have money.

 

Judging by your stats, long is better for you. Nice hopes and dreams.

[Cassynder]

So how do Chaotic weapons degrade? Is it total time spent with the HP bar over your head?

[Lep]

If you have steel titan, like you, there is no argument, use rapier. With a titan, taking down their melee prayer is faster than taking down their range prayer.

 

obviously. and without a steel titan, it goes back to stats/pots/prayers, which we covered. I'm not entirely sure, but isn't rapier better than long at mithril dragons as well? That's the only cloud of uncertaincy I have really.

 

Huh? Does damage from familiars lower opponents prayer with smite?

[Capt_Davy]

If you have steel titan, like you, there is no argument, use rapier. With a titan, taking down their melee prayer is faster than taking down their range prayer.

 

obviously. and without a steel titan, it goes back to stats/pots/prayers, which we covered. I'm not entirely sure, but isn't rapier better than long at mithril dragons as well? That's the only cloud of uncertaincy I have really.

 

Huh? Does damage from familiars lower opponents prayer with smite?

 

We were discussing Tormented Demons. I'd still like to hear how CR vs CLS fares against mithril dragons, without overloads/yak pack/steel titan (with super antifires though, I'd certainly have it by then, and I imagine many others would by the time they get a chaotic weapon).

[TheAncient]

If you have steel titan, like you, there is no argument, use rapier.

 

False. Using maul gives you the time to decide (after the titan spec) whether you need to switch to crossbow or stay on melee.

[Capt_Davy]

So how do Chaotic weapons degrade? Is it total time spent with the HP bar over your head?

I believe so. Wouldn't hurt if someone with a chaotic weapon could back me up on this though.

 

 

If you have steel titan, like you, there is no argument, use rapier.

 

False. Using maul gives you the time to decide (after the titan spec) whether you need to switch to crossbow or stay on melee.

 

True. But we were talking about CR vs CLS, and to be honest, I think the slight disadvantage of rapier compared to maul at TDs is still fine; rapier still does a great job at TDs, and is much more versatile than the maul.

 

Not to sound like a noob but....rapier + rune defender > maul, big time, against mithril dragons right?

[D Jay99]

If you have steel titan, like you, there is no argument, use rapier. With a titan, taking down their melee prayer is faster than taking down their range prayer.

 

obviously. and without a steel titan, it goes back to stats/pots/prayers, which we covered. I'm not entirely sure, but isn't rapier better than long at mithril dragons as well? That's the only cloud of uncertaincy I have really.

 

Huh? Does damage from familiars lower opponents prayer with smite?

 

We were discussing Tormented Demons. I'd still like to hear how CR vs CLS fares against mithril dragons, without overloads/yak pack/steel titan (with super antifires though, I'd certainly have it by then, and I imagine many others would by the time they get a chaotic weapon).

I got to 40 secs/mith with rapier on task (really really small sample size tho, 4 miths task, hoping for a bigger task soon), would like to see cls beat that :P

 

Anyway do you guys think it's worth it to get both maul and rapier now if you don't like dungeoneerning that much or would you suggest waiting for batch 2 and saving the tokens till then?

[Capt_Davy]

If you have steel titan, like you, there is no argument, use rapier. With a titan, taking down their melee prayer is faster than taking down their range prayer.

 

obviously. and without a steel titan, it goes back to stats/pots/prayers, which we covered. I'm not entirely sure, but isn't rapier better than long at mithril dragons as well? That's the only cloud of uncertaincy I have really.

 

Huh? Does damage from familiars lower opponents prayer with smite?

 

We were discussing Tormented Demons. I'd still like to hear how CR vs CLS fares against mithril dragons, without overloads/yak pack/steel titan (with super antifires though, I'd certainly have it by then, and I imagine many others would by the time they get a chaotic weapon).

I got to 40 secs/mith with rapier on task (really really small sample size tho, 4 miths task, hoping for a bigger task soon), would like to see cls beat that :P

 

Anyway do you guys think it's worth it to get both maul and rapier now if you don't like dungeoneerning that much or would you suggest waiting for batch 2 and saving the tokens till then?

 

I remember watching someone pwn mithril dragons with 4 dead in just a bit under 2 minutes. I'm not sure if it was with CLS or CR, but I think it might have been rapier...

 

And I say, go get rapier + maul to get the best out of both worlds, unless you'd rather save your tokens for batch 2, when the ranger's version of piety will come out. What the other rewards are with batch 2, I have no idea.

 

EDIT: actually, I'm hoping they'll update chaotic crossbow so its actually useful. Perhaps a chaotic spear, or would that nerf the Corp too much? Updates to chaotic staff would be nice too though, but its not quite as necessary imo, with staff of light out there already.

[xpx]

If you have steel titan, like you, there is no argument, use rapier. With a titan, taking down their melee prayer is faster than taking down their range prayer.

 

obviously. and without a steel titan, it goes back to stats/pots/prayers, which we covered. I'm not entirely sure, but isn't rapier better than long at mithril dragons as well? That's the only cloud of uncertaincy I have really.

 

Huh? Does damage from familiars lower opponents prayer with smite?

 

We were discussing Tormented Demons. I'd still like to hear how CR vs CLS fares against mithril dragons, without overloads/yak pack/steel titan (with super antifires though, I'd certainly have it by then, and I imagine many others would by the time they get a chaotic weapon).

What would you do with a yak or steel titan at miths? unicorn is clearly the best familiar there unless you want to SS switch constantly(which is a bother). With extremes and piety, CR is easily better than cls at miths, i can kill 90 in an hour with overloads and turmoil, and it's still very accurate there(and remember, cls is 13 more stab than CR, less than 10% more with a 25% speed loss).

 

Also i don't find too much information on the thread that even though cls might be better than rapier at some bosses, but the number one moneymaker is clearly dominated by the rapier and thus it's quite irrelevant how much better the cls is at those places. Ofcource, there will be people doing those things for fun, but then again, rapier is easily sufficient for those situations, and anyone with 80+ dungeoneering shouldn't see 85 as too much of a stretch.

[Bladewing]

Yak would be to bank the bones.

[Capt_Davy]

Yak would be to bank the bones.

 

Yup. Yak's also so you can bring an inventory full of extreme prayer pots and overloads, and yak carrying food.

 

But back to on topic, yeah I'm seeing that at 95+, maybe 90+, attack, rapier > long for sure at just about everything, except miths if you don't have super antfires. but you should get it anyways because its such a pro weapon :shades:

[Shinobu_Sensui]

So which would be better for me longsword or Cr for boss hunting considering im maxed and will be getting extremes and 95 prayer?

[xpx]

Yak would be to bank the bones.

I'm not 100% sure on this but if you are already using the best equipment and everything it wouldn't even make sense to always bank the bones if it's not significant money(in this case 450k an hour, which isn't much) because of the timeloss and the extra bother you have to put up with. If you are using overloads, you could just be walking on a too tight rope of trying to SS heal, and if you don't have SS your trips will last significantly less. I frequently don't even pick up nonstackable med price items(like runite bars) because they aren't significant in the perspective of what i am down there to kill them for(effigies, chewed bones, DFH and visage). If you lose 10 kills an hour you are more or less losing out on xp and potential greater profit for a med amount of cash. You can kill 300 blue dragons an hour, miths are a bit more limited, with the same 100% drop.

 

So which would be better for me longsword or Cr for boss hunting considering im maxed and will be getting extremes and 95 prayer?

Depends on the boss hunting you are looking to do. If you ONLY solo bandos or sara, cls, otherwise rapier.

[Capt_Davy]

So which would be better for me longsword or Cr for boss hunting considering im maxed and will be getting extremes and 95 prayer?

 

chaotic rapier. its pretty much equally accurate, and hits virtually the same, and its just faster. Of course, once you get extremes and 95 prayer, chaotic rapier will actually be worse than rapier at just about everything except sara gwd, and even then, team verac'ing is much better. For now, get rapier, as its pretty much almost as good as long, and once you hit your prayer/herby goals, it will clearly outshine long.

 

EDIT: just wanted to clear up something. From what I've heard, CLS > CR for sure at Sara GWD, but even then, you'll be much better off duoing or trioing in a team of verac'ers. In fact, even in a team, veracs > CLS. So it wouldn't be very smart to spend 200k dung tokens on CLS just for sara gwd imo.

[Shinobu_Sensui]

Thanks for the advice.

[Dexek]

So which would be better for me longsword or Cr for boss hunting considering im maxed and will be getting extremes and 95 prayer?

 

chaotic rapier. its pretty much equally accurate, and hits virtually the same, and its just faster. Of course, once you get extremes and 95 prayer, chaotic rapier will actually be worse than rapier at just about everything except sara gwd, and even then, team verac'ing is much better. For now, get rapier, as its pretty much almost as good as long, and once you hit your prayer/herby goals, it will clearly outshine long.

 

Chaotic longsword will be worse than chaotic rapier? Just trying to verify, as I am starting to hunker down in dungeoneering. I don't want to get owned by a typo. :thumbup:

[Capt_Davy]

So which would be better for me longsword or Cr for boss hunting considering im maxed and will be getting extremes and 95 prayer?

 

chaotic rapier. its pretty much equally accurate, and hits virtually the same, and its just faster. Of course, once you get extremes and 95 prayer, chaotic rapier will actually be worse than rapier at just about everything except sara gwd, and even then, team verac'ing is much better. For now, get rapier, as its pretty much almost as good as long, and once you hit your prayer/herby goals, it will clearly outshine long.

 

Chaotic longsword will be worse than chaotic rapier? Just trying to verify, as I am starting to hunker down in dungeoneering. I don't want to get owned by a typo. :thumbup:

 

oops sorry, it's a typo....should read "chaotic longsword will actually be worse than rapier"

[Quasar]

Here's a conundrum-83 attack, 86 (soon 87) strength, overloads and turmoil. i eventually want to max out combat, but I'm not super dilligent about it and in the meantime i enjoy stuff like dag kings and other bosses (though to be fair I mostly do armadyl and am 99 range... is crossbow/eagle shield something to look at too...)

[ghjkl]

Rapier will help you get max stats and is better at dks anyway.

[Capt_Davy]

Here's a conundrum-83 attack, 86 (soon 87) strength, overloads and turmoil. i eventually want to max out combat, but I'm not super dilligent about it and in the meantime i enjoy stuff like dag kings and other bosses (though to be fair I mostly do armadyl and am 99 range... is crossbow/eagle shield something to look at too...)

 

With turmoil and overloads, that will make rapier almost as accurate as longsword, considering your attack level. Of course, as you raise it up, rapier will overtake longsword, so no point in investing in a weapon (longsword) that will be soon outstripped. If you didn't have extremes or turmoil, that'd be a different story though.

 

And seeing as you're 99 ranged, and you mostly do armadyl GWD, I'd say...well...to be perfectly honest, the shield wil only slightly reduce damage when kree'ara maxes with his mage attack (mage maxes at 210, shield's effect doesn't come into effect unless its above 200) so, for armadyl GWD, I'd consider it a huge waste of tokens. In fact, I think spectral spirit shield should fare just as well, but none of your other weapons will be able to match Chaotic Rapier.

 

long story short: get rapier, due to your usage of overloads and turmoil. And don't bother with the crossbow, its a huge waste and as for the shield, the effect will rarely come into play, so for bonuses only, it can be pretty much replaced with spectral (at armadyl GWD).

[Logdotzip]

Will lol if Batch two completely changes all the Chaotic's stats and makes CLS best or some [cabbage].

[Capt_Davy]

But that would be just seriously pulling some major crap on players.....Bet we'll be hearing from jagex about "working on a refund option" if they do that. :wall:

[xpx]

Will lol if Batch two completely changes all the Chaotic's stats and makes CLS best or some [cabbage].

Do you remember the last time jagex changed the stats of an already existing item? umm...yeah... rather the new chaotic weapons will make the cls look even worse since rapier will be the only 6 speed weapon(unless jagex does something semi-crazy like 7 speed chaotic dagger).

[999134]

Will lol if Batch two completely changes all the Chaotic's stats and makes CLS best or some [cabbage].

Do you remember the last time jagex changed the stats of an already existing item? umm...yeah... rather the new chaotic weapons will make the cls look even worse since rapier will be the only 6 speed weapon(unless jagex does something semi-crazy like 7 speed chaotic dagger).

they made barrelchest anchor slower

[xpx]

Will lol if Batch two completely changes all the Chaotic's stats and makes CLS best or some [cabbage].

Do you remember the last time jagex changed the stats of an already existing item? umm...yeah... rather the new chaotic weapons will make the cls look even worse since rapier will be the only 6 speed weapon(unless jagex does something semi-crazy like 7 speed chaotic dagger).

they made barrelchest anchor slower

Yes, but even that doesn't fit into my example, and considering they did it just days after the update is a bad example. Changing the stats of chaotic weapons 6-8 months after the release would make for much worse than the climbing boots riots.