Chaotic Rapier vs Longsword

[SirIzenhime]

a nice portion of the game, where as CLS/CM is great everywhere.

 

Might wanna edit that before it gets jumped on

[Ryyy]

 

Armadyl - Can't melee

 

This point is false. You can melee Kree - just not with any chaotic weapon. -Ry

[SirIzenhime]

 

Armadyl - Can't melee

 

This point is false. You can melee Kree - just not with any chaotic weapon. -Ry

 

Make a video please.

Even if there is some secret weapon out there you can melee with, the simple fact you can't melee with a chaotic weapon makes none of them better, so my point would still stand

[demby123]

 

Armadyl - Can't melee

 

This point is false. You can melee Kree - just not with any chaotic weapon. -Ry

 

Make a video please.

Even if there is some secret weapon out there you can melee with, the simple fact you can't melee with a chaotic weapon makes none of them better, so my point would still stand

Black Salamander.

[SirIzenhime]

I really don't consider fire coming out of an animals mouth melee, even if you do get str xp for it :rolleyes:

That being said, this adds nothing to the discussion of CLS vs CR

[Mecakoto]

Hmm... Anyone know the damage per minute averages for the Maul? I'd like to see how it'd stack up against the 2 weapons already named.

 

Now that I think about it... The Maul hasn't been "tested" all that much, compared to the CR and CLS...

[CallmeNice]

 

Stop with the "CLS is better than Cr only in bandos and sara" statement, I'm quite sure CLS will beat the CR in most bosses currently and the future bosses will only have higher defense giving the CLS the edge. Also to every ones "mathematical formula's and simulations"....none of them work because you don't factor in defense of monster and accuracy, of course CR will win with opponents having 0 defense that's simple logic, but what monster worth killing has 0 defense.

 

Zammy - K'ril has crap defense, rapier beats CLS on low defense monsters

Mole - weak to stab

KBD - weak to stab

Mithril dragons - Weak to stab

TDs - the higher the DPS, the better (assuming you're extremely efficient)

Kalphite queen - Weak to crush, so neither is better

Armadyl - Can't melee

Corporal Beast - They're both not spears, so neither should be used

DKs - Supreme has low melee defense, rapier wins on low def monsters

 

CLS wins at bandos because he actually has defense, and is weaker to Slash anyways

CLS beats rapier at Saradomin because Zilyana has extremely high defense, so the more accuracy the better. But there you'd be better off with a Maul, or even Veracs over CLS.

 

It's mostly logic as to which are better. Are you waiting for someone to make a few 10 MInute YT videos to prove it?

 

 

ALL YOU NEED IS ONE HIT OVER 300 AT TD's CLS is better than RAPIER AT TD's- Hands down

[ghjkl]

No, I already proved that rapier is better than long at tds like 2 pages back, unless your range level is horrible.

[xpx]

Callme is clearly clueless about the subject:

 

1. Using that much caps generally means you are trolling.

2. You need to hit 310+ for a prayer switch.

3. Hitting one lower and one higher hit on TD-s is much more useful than hitting one, higher hit, rapier DPS is just close to not getting the prayer down in one hit and thus is more useful, since the DPS is higher anyway.(this has been explained more thoroughly before)

4. CLS is the clear favorite of the chaotic weapons for NOTHING. Nothing at all, it might be better, but it's never the hands down favorite of the three, this is clearly not the case for rapier and usually the case for maul.

[Andy]

Could someone tell me which is better for training, slaying, and perhaps bosshunting at my stats?

82 Attack

88 strength

84 defence.

Asked someone and they said cls.. I thought rapier was better for general stuff?

[xpx]

Certainly rapier if you are looking to train- you have a big load of training to do and it would save you a big load of time. Certainly cls if you don't at all plan to train, but MH things higher than DK-s, in which case CLS will be up to 10% better, but as you gain levels, the difference will diminish quite quickly.

[MstrMonopoly]

Could someone tell me which is better for training, slaying, and perhaps bosshunting at my stats?

82 Attack

88 strength

84 defence.

Asked someone and they said cls.. I thought rapier was better for general stuff?

 

If you do ANY sort of training, I would go with rapier. If you already have maxed stats and stuff, go with maul if you feel like it.

[Grimy_Bunyip]

Could someone tell me which is better for training, slaying, and perhaps bosshunting at my stats?

82 Attack

88 strength

84 defence.

Asked someone and they said cls.. I thought rapier was better for general stuff?

it definitely is at maxed stats, nobody's really cared to give too much thought into lower stats.

but i'd still go for the rapier since it's better in the long run.

PS you should try maxing out b4 boss hunting =D

[MyFaceWhen]

I'm still undecided on what one I shall be getting, even though I've been reading way too many CLS vs CR discussions over the past few weeks, so I'm wondering if anyone can advise me so I can make up my mind.

 

All my Combat stats are maxed, I'm also maxed Slayer + Herblore.

I shall be doing various bosses - Bandos/Sara/TD's/DK's

I shall be continuing with Slayer to make money (although I'm not sure if I should use a CLS/Rapier on Slayer tasks if I'm purely slaying for money and not XP, definitely need help on this point)

I also plan to play some C wars with whatever I choose (although it won't be hardcore C warring, maybe one game a week or something)

 

Any help is appreciated, cause I just can't decide atm :)

[Capt_Davy]

I'm still undecided on what one I shall be getting, even though I've been reading way too many CLS vs CR discussions over the past few weeks, so I'm wondering if anyone can advise me so I can make up my mind.

 

All my Combat stats are maxed, I'm also maxed Slayer + Herblore.

I shall be doing various bosses - Bandos/Sara/TD's/DK's

I shall be continuing with Slayer to make money (although I'm not sure if I should use a CLS/Rapier on Slayer tasks if I'm purely slaying for money and not XP, definitely need help on this point)

I also plan to play some C wars with whatever I choose (although it won't be hardcore C warring, maybe one game a week or something)

 

Any help is appreciated, cause I just can't decide atm :)

 

Seeing as you are maxed melee, have turmoil and overloads, I'd say get rapier, as its accuracy (with your levels and boosts) really isn't much lower at all than longsword, and is a nice 20% faster. So what that means, bosshunting, is that rapier > cls for sure (for you) at DKs, and is arguably better at TDs (unless you have steel titan, then its clearly better). When it ocmes to Sara GWD, you're actually best off not using a chaotic weapon (unless its chaotic maul, but that's not what you're asking for). Rapier is also better at slayer, due to higher DPS, and monsters general low def. (I say use whip on low-income tasks, and for more profitable tasks, use CLS to speed them up; CLS is fairly cheap at a 100k gp/hr of actual combat). Back to bosses, since you mentioned bandos GWD, CLS is better there, but honestly, if you're soloing it without any CLS crashers, you're not going to notice a huge difference between the two weapons (if you're teaming, i would think that would make you crash-proof so no worries there). For C wars, I suppose someone else should answer, I really don't know just how accurate it is on players in high-def gear. But seeing as its such a good weapon for other uses, and you're doing C wars casually, I'm still sticking with my view that you should get rapier.

[digitor6]

From what ive heard cls is supposed to be the best for mhing and then rapier is for like pking, slayer etc (pking because of it being known as a boosted whip/doesn't hit as high as cls so veng is less of a worry and slayer because of its higher dps meaning faster tasks etc) if i did dung again i'd probly just be going for 99 or getting enough for rapier maul and long. :shades:

[Capt_Davy]

From what ive heard cls is supposed to be the best for mhing and then rapier is for like pking, slayer etc (pking because of it being known as a boosted whip/doesn't hit as high as cls so veng is less of a worry and slayer because of its higher dps meaning faster tasks etc) if i did dung again i'd probly just be going for 99 or getting enough for rapier maul and long. :shades:

well then, take a look, this actually contradicts what you've "heard" (pretty detailed too, as far as the bosshunting list goes)

 

Zammy - K'ril has crap defense, rapier beats CLS on low defense monsters

Mole - weak to stab

KBD - weak to stab

Mithril dragons - Weak to stab

TDs - the higher the DPS, the better (assuming you're extremely efficient)

Kalphite queen - Weak to crush, so neither is better actually, notice how the godsword with black mask, on task, provides bonuses high enough to pierce her prayers, and that's using slash. so CLS + rune defender is only more accurate and faster. But its not worth doing imo because she gives crap loot

Armadyl - Can't melee

Corporal Beast - They're both not spears, so neither should be used

DKs - Supreme has low melee defense, rapier wins on low def monsters

 

CLS wins at bandos because he actually has defense, and is weaker to Slash anyways

CLS beats rapier at Saradomin because Zilyana has extremely high defense, so the more accuracy the better. But there you'd be better off with a Maul, or even Veracs over CLS.

[stonewall337]

From what ive heard cls is supposed to be the best for mhing and then rapier is for like pking, slayer etc (pking because of it being known as a boosted whip/doesn't hit as high as cls so veng is less of a worry and slayer because of its higher dps meaning faster tasks etc) if i did dung again i'd probly just be going for 99 or getting enough for rapier maul and long. :shades:

Ye, thats wrong.

[onedaysoon]

Nvm, just glanced at it quickly lol.

[Boeg3]

 

Now tell me that Rapier is better there lol

 

Thats easy, that^ is an AGS spec, not a hit with CLS. (you can even see the hilt if you look closely)

A Chaotic Maul (highest str bonus in the game) with maxed str couldnt even hit 840+ outside CastleWars...

Personally i bought a maul, and its working great at TDS.

[Sylpheed]

I know this has probably been answered already somewhere on this thread but im going to ask it again. For someone who has almost got 200k tokens to spend and is either getting CLR or CLS solely for bosshunting (is max melee, has extremes and won't be using it to train slayer) which will mostly be TD's which one is generally considered to be the better choice?

[Aneron]

hmm so is maul the best for tds?

 

how does it do for pking then? looking at its stats I'd say it appears to effectively be an ags that specs on every attack. same speed, almost 25% higher str then ags, and of course much more accurate

[Capt_Davy]

I know this has probably been answered already somewhere on this thread but im going to ask it again. For someone who has almost got 200k tokens to spend and is either getting CLR or CLS solely for bosshunting (is max melee, has extremes and won't be using it to train slayer) which will mostly be TD's which one is generally considered to be the better choice?

 

For TDs, maul has the advantage of being very accurate and high-hitting. However, CLS does the job very well too, and rapier can pretty much equal CLS at TDs with your stats and boosts. However, I think maul is better than CLS/CR at TDs, because it can hit up to low 700s, and has a more-often-than-not chance of hitting above 310 to switch the demon's prayer, compared to CLS/CR which has a fairly decent chance at hitting above 310, but even if it doesn't, best case scenario with CLS/CR would be a 300-max hit (er...500?) which really isn't much better than the maul, and would be slower than one maul hit.

 

so, for TDs, get maul. For Graardor and Zilyana, you'll be raping them both with maul, but just keep in mind that maul really isn't the best chaotic weapon at other bosses, although it is amazing for pking if you use it right, and you keep an eye out for Vengeance spells.

 

 

 

hmm so is maul the best for tds?

 

how does it do for pking then? looking at its stats I'd say it appears to effectively be an ags that specs on every attack. same speed, almost 25% higher str then ags, and of course much more accurate

 

It's great at pking for that reason, but because it hits so high, you really do have to be careful for veng self-ko's with it. I hear that granite maul -> 2 maul specs -> chaotic maul is absolutely killer though. Of course, if that seems a bit boring, you could always use CR for fast combos, but I believe that if the maul is properly used, it's much better than CR/CLS at pking.

[TheAncient]

Out of personal experience, maul feels really slow if you're just doing TD's with a Yak or Uni, and rapier feels too fast. CLS is probably the best if you don't use a Steel Titan.

 

If you do get a steel titan, I think maul is by far the best. It hits above 300+ a lot of the time so it's a lot easier to time titan specs; also, using Titan + Void (which is what I do) is really click intensive so I prefer the slower speed.

 

Maul is also pretty fun to use in Pvp.

 

(I also own a rapier)

[Zemus3654]

got cls as my first, hmm kinda wish i had rapier instead lol