Chaotic Rapier vs Longsword

[Obtaurian]

I'm about to hit 200k tokens and would like to know which I should get: rapier or longsword.

My stats:

I don't slay much but I train at bandits.

I don't melee bandos or sara, and don't plan to. I might tds in the future.

I pk.

 

Please give your unbiased opinions. Is rapier accurate enough? Is the cls good for training with?

 

Thanks.

 

You DEFINITELY want the rapier. You're going to want to max melees eventually (I know you ;) ), so the rapier will be incredibly valuable for you. CLS really isn't good for training.

[Andy]

Meh. cls is silly looking anyways.

[SirIzenhime]

I'm about to hit 200k tokens and would like to know which I should get: rapier or longsword.

My stats:

I don't slay much but I train at bandits.

I don't melee bandos or sara, and don't plan to. I might tds in the future.

I pk.

 

Please give your unbiased opinions. Is rapier accurate enough? Is the cls good for training with?

 

Thanks.

 

Rapier will get you higher combat stats faster then a CLS, as well as being better for most bosses once you have maxed stats

[howbadisbad]

Yes but no one is going to risk it in PvP.

 

 

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[LatinII]

Chaotic staff isn't worth it. Ice Barrage maxes at 490 with a chaotic staff. Miasmic Barrage maxes at 484. It only hits 6 (or 0.6 in old HP terms) higher than Miasmic Barrage. I'd rather spend those 200k tokens on something else.

[TheAncient]

Chaotic staff isn't worth it. Ice Barrage maxes at 490 with a chaotic staff. Miasmic Barrage maxes at 484. It only hits 6 (or 0.6 in old HP terms) higher than Miasmic Barrage. I'd rather spend those 200k tokens on something else.

 

Are you really going to be using Zuriel staff whenever you mage? That sounds highly impractical.

 

490 vs 465, roughly. 35 lp extra damage is worth it.

[Owned_Nex]

I'm about to hit 200k tokens and would like to know which I should get: rapier or longsword.

My stats:

I don't slay much but I train at bandits.

I don't melee bandos or sara, and don't plan to. I might tds in the future.

I pk.

 

Please give your unbiased opinions. Is rapier accurate enough? Is the cls good for training with?

 

Thanks.

 

Rapier will get you higher combat stats faster then a CLS, as well as being better for most bosses once you have maxed stats

 

Yeah, essentially the only time you want a CLS is if you are unable to make up your mind and are willing to get laughed at both training/slayer and monster hunting.

[TheAncient]

Yeah, essentially the only time you want a CLS is if you are unable to make up your mind and are willing to get laughed at both training/slayer and monster hunting.

 

You won't get laughed at using CLS for MH - that's the only place where it is potentially useful.

[stonewall337]

Yeah, essentially the only time you want a CLS is if you are unable to make up your mind and are willing to get laughed at both training/slayer and monster hunting.

 

You won't get laughed at using CLS for MH - that's the only place where it is potentially useful.

Exactly. Look at it this way, at TD's, I'm hitting 500's with whip. Its not rare to hit a 280-450. If I hit 330 first time, he'd change prayer. I'd have to test to see if there is a major difference TBH.

 

I just about only MH know, maxed melees, and 99 slayer, so I think I'll get CLS. With Whip, I already kill TDs in 45 seconds each. (Only get 2-3 a trip max where I need to relower shield, and thats without titan) and when I solo DKS I won't be risking chaotic.

 

The difference between CLS pking and CR pking is similar to whip vs GS. (Not counting spec weps.) In whiping, I depend on winning DMs, or combos (either 300-300 etc or hit+veng combo) With GS, I depend on spec, a lucky hit, or a hit+veng combo. CLS is defiantly more accurate, and harder hitting in PvP (I've fought all 3 weapons) but can't combo quite as well. It can, however, easily pop off veng combos of 650+, as well as KO'ing when the other person is ~550 HP.

[LatinII]

Chaotic staff isn't worth it. Ice Barrage maxes at 490 with a chaotic staff. Miasmic Barrage maxes at 484. It only hits 6 (or 0.6 in old HP terms) higher than Miasmic Barrage. I'd rather spend those 200k tokens on something else.

 

Are you really going to be using Zuriel staff whenever you mage? That sounds highly impractical.

 

490 vs 465, roughly. 35 lp extra damage is worth it.

 

I use Miasmic Barrage almost everytime I fight people. The staff is very cheap for how powerful it is. You're spending 10448gp a minute when using Zuriel's staff and since it doesn't take any longer than 2 minutes to kill a meleer if you're a mage I'd say it's very much worth it. And if you're barraging rock lobsters I'd highly recommend a SoL and battle robes anyway...

 

Oh, and Ice Barrage maxes at 471, not 465 :P

[Sir_Kurity]

Meh. cls is silly looking anyways.

 

GET THE CROSSBOW!

 

Lol.

[Andy]

Meh. cls is silly looking anyways.

 

GET THE CROSSBOW!

 

Lol.

C'bow, unless there comes out a better option in batch 2, is my next weapon. I don't need a cls / maul.

[Sir_Kurity]

Wow, 200k tokens for a 10 extra range attack?

 

o.O

[onedaysoon]

Yeah, essentially the only time you want a CLS is if you are unable to make up your mind and are willing to get laughed at both training/slayer and monster hunting.

 

 

Yeah thats not really true lol >.>

[xpx]

Wow, 200k tokens for a 10 extra range attack?

 

o.O

Not much worse than getting iumbed rings for situational 4 str/4 magic/4 range or 6 magic def/att for the same amount of work. The chaotic crossbow is the BEST range weapon in game, no doubt, just as the staff is the BEST staff in game. Though neither of them might not be worth getting as the first chaotic, they are certainly more useful than the shields.

[Sir_Kurity]

Wow, 200k tokens for a 10 extra range attack?

 

o.O

Not much worse than getting iumbed rings for situational 4 str/4 magic/4 range or 6 magic def/att for the same amount of work. The chaotic crossbow is the BEST range weapon in game, no doubt, just as the staff is the BEST staff in game. Though neither of them might not be worth getting as the first chaotic, they are certainly more useful than the shields.

 

Oh yea, it just doesn't seem as useful as getting a staff or another melee.

 

Wait a second, same amount of work?

[Zaaps1]

Except at MA, you spend that time and have enough points to get EVERY ring (Onyx, Zerker, Warrior, Seers, and Archer (i)), whereas you only get one by Dungeoneering. in addition, it doesn't take much more work to get a new ring once you have the rank, and you also have the option to buy some nice looking Lord Marshal.

[stonewall337]

Except at MA, you spend that time and have enough points to get EVERY ring (Onyx, Zerker, Warrior, Seers, and Archer (i)), whereas you only get one by Dungeoneering. in addition, it doesn't take much more work to get a new ring once you have the rank, and you also have the option to buy some nice looking Lord Marshal.

 

MA is "worth" it really only 2 ways.

 

1.) To get the "best" gear

 

2.) If you are doing HW/reading/something else while playing MA

 

From a purely efficient standpoint, of course they aren't worth it. However, they are damn useful know that I have them, and I don't regret the time getting them. I'm already close to having all the gear I need/want (outside fighter helm and chaotic set, which is being worked on)

 

That being said, the EARLIER a person gets MA rings, if he is going to get them at all, the more they will benefit him.

 

I will also say that, as of yet, I have NOT used either my warrior (i) or archer (i). I am always using either serker (i), dstone (i) (soloing etc) or onyx (i)

[xpx]

Except that you don't get any experience at all, which means that in terms of efficiency, you are set back the whole 25-30 hour period, where as 200k tokens equals around 3 hours worth of experience, and coupled with the other factors, they are around as hard to obtain right now, but getting either will be much easier after any new dungeoneering update. As for usefulness, i'd say that the combined ability for all rings is worth around the same as +10 range bonus or +20 mage damage staff(likely best staff for training when you can make 3m an hour, best for ice strykewyrms and any pvp, but for zuriels.

[stonewall337]

Exactly, from a pure efficiency factor, its very very rare for either the MA rings or the Chaotic staff/c'bow to actually "pay off". The exceptions mainly being those who extensionally range and need the range bonus (arma, example) and those who FFA corp as an example for the rings.

[Sir_Kurity]

Except that you don't get any experience at all, which means that in terms of efficiency, you are set back the whole 25-30 hour period, where as 200k tokens equals around 3 hours worth of experience, and coupled with the other factors, they are around as hard to obtain right now, but getting either will be much easier after any new dungeoneering update. As for usefulness, i'd say that the combined ability for all rings is worth around the same as +10 range bonus or +20 mage damage staff(likely best staff for training when you can make 3m an hour, best for ice strykewyrms and any pvp, but for zuriels.

 

I guess it comes down to weather or not you give two flying excrements about dungeoneering XP, i for one, dont.

 

Id say the staff is worth around all the rings, the crossbow probably not.

[stonewall337]

Except that you don't get any experience at all, which means that in terms of efficiency, you are set back the whole 25-30 hour period, where as 200k tokens equals around 3 hours worth of experience, and coupled with the other factors, they are around as hard to obtain right now, but getting either will be much easier after any new dungeoneering update. As for usefulness, i'd say that the combined ability for all rings is worth around the same as +10 range bonus or +20 mage damage staff(likely best staff for training when you can make 3m an hour, best for ice strykewyrms and any pvp, but for zuriels.

 

I guess it comes down to weather or not you give two flying excrements about dungeoneering XP, i for one, dont.

 

Id say the staff is worth around all the rings, the crossbow probably not.

 

I believe XPX was talking about the XP in other skills, such as herblore, WC, farming, etc, from opening doors and such.

[Sir_Kurity]

Oh right.

 

Yea that might actually be worth it. (Not for crossbow, i still think that things a waste of space, better off with almost any other chaotic).

[Andy]

The reason I would be getting a c'bow instead of a cls/ shield for my next chaotic is because well... it's the only useful thing for me.

I have my rapier which will do as my melee, I think the shields are a waste for what I do, I don't need a staff.. I don't need a maul.. so the only thing left is the c'bow. Call it a waste, but I range a lot.

[Dragonlordjl]

The reason I would be getting a c'bow instead of a cls/ shield for my next chaotic is because well... it's the only useful thing for me.

I have my rapier which will do as my melee, I think the shields are a waste for what I do, I don't need a staff.. I don't need a maul.. so the only thing left is the c'bow. Call it a waste, but I range a lot.

Wait for the new overpowered rewards in B2 which come out tomorrow. :thumbsup: