Chaotic Rapier vs Longsword

[AlexRose]

Out of personal experience, maul feels really slow if you're just doing TD's with a Yak or Uni, and rapier feels too fast. CLS is probably the best if you don't use a Steel Titan.

 

If you do get a steel titan, I think maul is by far the best. It hits above 300+ a lot of the time so it's a lot easier to time titan specs; also, using Titan + Void (which is what I do) is really click intensive so I prefer the slower speed.

 

Maul is also pretty fun to use in Pvp.

 

(I also own a rapier)

 

Wait, you're 88 dungeoneering. How do you have all three chaotic weapons? :blink:

[Zaaps1]

Out of personal experience, maul feels really slow if you're just doing TD's with a Yak or Uni, and rapier feels too fast. CLS is probably the best if you don't use a Steel Titan.

 

If you do get a steel titan, I think maul is by far the best. It hits above 300+ a lot of the time so it's a lot easier to time titan specs; also, using Titan + Void (which is what I do) is really click intensive so I prefer the slower speed.

 

Maul is also pretty fun to use in Pvp.

 

(I also own a rapier)

 

Wait, you're 88 dungeoneering. How do you have all three chaotic weapons? :blink:

 

Never said he did, he has maul and rapier.

[Youmu]

From what I've seen so far, this is exactly like the scimitar versus longsword debate. People who actually did their research says the rapier is better, and people who are biased towards longswords say the longsword is better.

 

Really, when comparing weapons of a similar class, speed really sets the difference between good and awesome. Sure, the rapier has lower stats, but its speed allows more room for it to deal extra hits. If the longsword can consistently hit very high numbers, only then would the longsword outhit the rapier, but against zero defense monsters (slayer) this makes little difference. A miss with the longsword can be quite severe, while it's not too bad with the rapier.

 

Still, from what I've heard, the longsword is better on bosses/monsters with high defense (Bandos/Saradomin/TDs), but even then the difference is marginal and you're better off with a maul anyway (which isn't what the debate is about, mind you).

 

The longsword would only be better if every single monster is weak to slash and very strong against the other two styles. But then we have things called whips and sara swords.

[Mazhar]

From what I've seen so far, this is exactly like the scimitar versus longsword debate. People who actually did their research says the rapier is better, and people who are biased towards longswords say the longsword is better.

 

cept its sword vs longsword not scimmy vs ls

[Dragonlordjl]

From what I've seen so far, this is exactly like the scimitar versus longsword debate. People who actually did their research says the rapier is better, and people who are biased towards longswords say the longsword is better.

 

cept its sword vs longsword not scimmy vs ls

That's just semantics. For practicality, this is exactly the same as the d scim vs d long debate.

[Mazhar]

From what I've seen so far, this is exactly like the scimitar versus longsword debate. People who actually did their research says the rapier is better, and people who are biased towards longswords say the longsword is better.

 

cept its sword vs longsword not scimmy vs ls

That's just semantics. For practicality, this is exactly the same as the d scim vs d long debate.

Rune sword has high stab attack and rune longsword has high slash attack and a good deal more strength but slower

Dragon scimitar has high slash attack and good speed, dragon longsword has practically the same slash attack and bad speed w/ barely more strength

... which looks more like rapier vs cls?

[stonewall337]

Geez, at first I was all for rapier. Know I can't decide based on these reasons:

 

Premise: Crapier is ALWAYS better then whip, but CLS is SOMETIMES far better then whip, but not always better then CRAPIER when CLS>Whip.

 

1.) I have divine (so no maul)

 

2.) I doubt I'd use CRapier at DKS, since I solo, and I'd not want to risk it, and whip already downs sup in ~11 hits average.

 

3.) I do a lot of TDS, and I'd use CLS on team things with my clan.

 

4.) PvP, CLS and Crapier are too different ways of PKing. CLS depends on more on a high hit (500) to down someone, and using veng (like GS pking) While CRapier is more like whip PKing, depending on comboing, and winning DMS.

 

5.) I already have 99 slayer.

 

So, I can't make up my mind, but I'm still leaning towards rapier.

[bedman]

I'd get a rapier. You forgot to add in the weakness of dragons to stab. Somehow, Jagex likes dragons (new clues mainly dropped by dragons), and it's always nice to have the best weapon to kill those. (+ all the other plus sides of rapier). I for one am killing some dragons right now in search of an elite clue, while I'm not training slayer, don't need the money of bones, and I'm already maxed melees.

[Sephy_]

I'd get a rapier. You forgot to add in the weakness of dragons to stab. Somehow, Jagex likes dragons (new clues mainly dropped by dragons), and it's always nice to have the best weapon to kill those. (+ all the other plus sides of rapier). I for one am killing some dragons right now in search of an elite clue, while I'm not training slayer, don't need the money of bones, and I'm already maxed melees.

I've been wondering about killing dragons, I mean how noticeable the difference is with the +13 stab attack and +19 str bonus compensating the loss of speed. :-k

[Obtaurian]

I'd get a rapier. You forgot to add in the weakness of dragons to stab. Somehow, Jagex likes dragons (new clues mainly dropped by dragons), and it's always nice to have the best weapon to kill those. (+ all the other plus sides of rapier). I for one am killing some dragons right now in search of an elite clue, while I'm not training slayer, don't need the money of bones, and I'm already maxed melees.

I've been wondering about killing dragons, I mean how noticeable the difference is with the +9 stab attack compensating the loss of speed. :-k

 

Rapier >>> CLS for dragons. They're already weak to stab, so the speed of the rapier easily trumps the slightly higher hits of the CLS.

[TheAncient]

Geez, at first I was all for rapier. Know I can't decide based on these reasons:

 

Premise: Crapier is ALWAYS better then whip, but CLS is SOMETIMES far better then whip, but not always better then CRAPIER when CLS>Whip.

 

1.) I have divine (so no maul)

 

2.) I doubt I'd use CRapier at DKS, since I solo, and I'd not want to risk it, and whip already downs sup in ~11 hits average.

 

3.) I do a lot of TDS, and I'd use CLS on team things with my clan.

 

4.) PvP, CLS and Crapier are too different ways of PKing. CLS depends on more on a high hit (500) to down someone, and using veng (like GS pking) While CRapier is more like whip PKing, depending on comboing, and winning DMS.

 

5.) I already have 99 slayer.

 

So, I can't make up my mind, but I'm still leaning towards rapier.

 

You don't risk Rapier at DK's if you don't wear a fury or high level shield (you save Barrows top and bottom and Rapier). If you really need to, I'd switch to a range top instead of melee top and that gives you an extra save space. I think it's worth it.

 

Also, killing supreme in ~10 hits isn't very good, lol. Are you using DDS specs? I usually only take 2-3 DDS specs & 4-5 hits with rapier. If my spec bar is full sometimes I only need 1-2 rapier hits

 

CLS isn't really for pking

 

Having a divine doesn't exclude you from getting a maul... maul is still useful for TD's, WF's, PvP, bunch of other things. In a day and age with Yaks and SS, divine isn't really as important anymore in DPS-focused situations

 

I would just get CLS... it's not "terrible". You seem like you don't really need rapier or maul.

[stonewall337]

Geez, at first I was all for rapier. Know I can't decide based on these reasons:

 

Premise: Crapier is ALWAYS better then whip, but CLS is SOMETIMES far better then whip, but not always better then CRAPIER when CLS>Whip.

 

1.) I have divine (so no maul)

 

2.) I doubt I'd use CRapier at DKS, since I solo, and I'd not want to risk it, and whip already downs sup in ~11 hits average.

 

3.) I do a lot of TDS, and I'd use CLS on team things with my clan.

 

4.) PvP, CLS and Crapier are too different ways of PKing. CLS depends on more on a high hit (500) to down someone, and using veng (like GS pking) While CRapier is more like whip PKing, depending on comboing, and winning DMS.

 

5.) I already have 99 slayer.

 

So, I can't make up my mind, but I'm still leaning towards rapier.

 

You don't risk Rapier at DK's if you don't wear a fury or high level shield (you save Barrows top and bottom and Rapier). If you really need to, I'd switch to a range top instead of melee top and that gives you an extra save space. I think it's worth it.

 

Also, killing supreme in ~10 hits isn't very good, lol. Are you using DDS specs? I usually only take 2-3 DDS specs & 4-5 hits with rapier. If my spec bar is full sometimes I only need 1-2 rapier hits

 

CLS isn't really for pking

 

Having a divine doesn't exclude you from getting a maul... maul is still useful for TD's, WF's, PvP, bunch of other things. In a day and age with Yaks and SS, divine isn't really as important anymore in DPS-focused situations

 

I would just get CLS... it's not "terrible". You seem like you don't really need rapier or maul.

 

 

Killing supreme quickly only matters when you have a high (1500+) pop world. And I do risk it since I'm using full bandos, v helm, fury, divine, etc.

 

On a 1150-1200 pop world, I kill supreme, and get in 3 shots at prime before rex spawns. I'd go for the faster kills/hr, and shorter trips If I were able to get in B2B trips, but IRL prevents that. So I take the ~5 overload, 120 kill trip to the slightly faster, but fewer kills/day trip. In my case, I have to lose some efficiency in order to make more total GP in the 1 trip I get.

 

I've fought both CR and CLS, and I'd have to say CLS is defiantly harder to beat, if just rune fighting.

[Youmu]

Rune sword has high stab attack and rune longsword has high slash attack and a good deal more strength but slower

Dragon scimitar has high slash attack and good speed, dragon longsword has practically the same slash attack and bad speed w/ barely more strength

... which looks more like rapier vs cls?

You get the idea... Speed is the primary factor deciding which weapon is better.

[stonewall337]

Erm, no. Its the speed to strength ratio. It just happens to be that most fast weapons have faster DPS then weapons with higher strength but low speed.

[Evil_Sabre]

I still can't really decide what I would be better off with. At first I was all for rapier like most on this thread, but then I realized I probably will only be using chaotic for friendly pvp (clan wars, POH dungeons, castle wars) stuff like that. I don't do any boss hunting and I haven't really "trained" combat in years. Almost all my combat exp comes from friendly pvp. Would cls be better for me?

[Mecakoto]

I still can't really decide what I would be better off with. At first I was all for rapier like most on this thread, but then I realized I probably will only be using chaotic for friendly pvp (clan wars, POH dungeons, castle wars) stuff like that. I don't do any boss hunting and I haven't really "trained" combat in years. Almost all my combat exp comes from friendly pvp. Would cls be better for me?

 

I'd go for the Maul if all you were going to do was friendly Pvp.

[MstrMonopoly]

I still can't really decide what I would be better off with. At first I was all for rapier like most on this thread, but then I realized I probably will only be using chaotic for friendly pvp (clan wars, POH dungeons, castle wars) stuff like that. I don't do any boss hunting and I haven't really "trained" combat in years. Almost all my combat exp comes from friendly pvp. Would cls be better for me?

 

Get a maul.

[CallmeNice]

CLS CLS CLS CLS!!! Is so beastly..

 

If the monster is weak- Use rapier

 

If its a dragon- Use rapier

 

Cls is superior at all GWD bosses, At Td's, & for pking that is a draw since both are just as deadly.

[TheAncient]

CLS CLS CLS CLS!!! Is so beastly..

 

If the monster is weak- Use rapier

 

If its a dragon- Use rapier

 

Cls is superior at all GWD bosses, At Td's, & for pking that is a draw since both are just as deadly.

 

Again: Maul for Sara, CLS (or Maul if you flick ss) for Bandos, Rapier for Zammy, Black Salamander for Arma (if you really wanted to melee Kree...)

[Owned_Nex]

Erm, no. Its the speed to strength ratio. It just happens to be that most fast weapons have faster DPS then weapons with higher strength but low speed.

 

Actually, of weapons in the same tier, the faster weapon is always better.

[SirIzenhime]

CLS CLS CLS CLS!!! Is so beastly..

 

If the monster is weak- Use rapier

 

If its a dragon- Use rapier

 

Cls is superior at all GWD bosses, At Td's, & for pking that is a draw since both are just as deadly.

 

Lol, no

[My_Eggs]

Erm, no. Its the speed to strength ratio. It just happens to be that most fast weapons have faster DPS then weapons with higher strength but low speed.

 

Actually, of weapons in the same tier, the faster weapon is always better.

 

Rune dagger > R2h/ rune long/ rune baxe? I highly doubt it.

[Bladewing]

Erm, no. Its the speed to strength ratio. It just happens to be that most fast weapons have faster DPS then weapons with higher strength but low speed.

 

Actually, of weapons in the same tier, the faster weapon is always better.

 

Rune dagger > R2h/ rune long/ rune baxe? I highly doubt it.

Scimitar > R2h/rune long/rune baxe

[Amundogus2]

On a related note, whats up with the Dung shields? Are they any good? Are people just wanting to get the weapons first or what?

[Lep]

On a related note, whats up with the Dung shields? Are they any good? Are people just wanting to get the weapons first or what?

 

I got Chaotic Kiteshield - it's soak is useless, don't get it for that. Get it just for defense bonus, it's better than DFS. When it's soak actually works, it's 99% of the time right when you die - usually to a spec like Dclaws. Mind you, the spec will rarely hit you. :P