Chaotic Rapier vs Longsword

[Greg295]

I've read this thread through and through but I'm probably going to get cls. Runescapes bosses are not going to get any Easyer and 200k is a lot of tokens to spend on a one day outdated rapier. I may be wrong, but I don't think I will be.

[crashNburn]

Doesn't necessarily mean their defense will get much higher...

 

Either way, dungeoneering exp just got a boost, so it's not incredibly tough to grab more than one chaotic weapon. Rapier's still at the top or tied with CLS for quite a few bosses.

[Zaaps1]

Again, I got CLS for it's amazing versatility. It is first or second best at any given location. I'd much rather have that than the Rapier, which is fantastic in training, competitive on easier bosses, and not great on tougher bosses.

 

Plus, add the fact that when you have 99 summoning, 96 prayer and overloads, who will you be competing against? Answer: the people with those same maxed stats and a Rapier/Maul. Sure I'd theoretically lose, but the few duels you do face are rare enough to convince me to world hop without feeling bad about efficiency.

 

So yes, in some places I'm not going to do as great as if I bought the rapier, and in some places I'm going to be inferior to those who use a maul. But I'd rather take the middle road, where a viable option to open to me wherever I go, than a weapon that is only good half the time and restricts me to those places.

 

The point was made that bosses won't necessarily have a sharp defense increase. That's true, but if you think about it, it's more likely to happen than not to happen. So as the scale tips more in favor of the Maul, the CLS continues to gain more and more of an edge against the Rapier, and all the while you can use the CLS effectively everywhere.

[Obtaurian]

But it's also worth noting that small boosts (gear with higher strength bonuses, accuracy bonuses, etc) benefit faster weapons more than slower weapons. A dragon defender, for example, would almost certainly close the gap between CLS and CR for those few situations where a CLS is better (doesn't include solo Bandos, though).

 

Food for thought.

[Toad]

Basically for me.

 

- CLS at Black dragon/Mithril Dragon tasks, & Godwars.

- CM at TDS (it's actually effective here but CLS is just as good Maul can hit around the 600 mark so its less effort) still waiting to use my Maul at Sara, and of course Waterfiends it's awesome, funny thing about Maul it's not that slow compared to CLS its around the same speed.

- CR Everywhere else.

[ghjkl]

Actually rapier>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>cls for dragons, there is no argument.

[Toad]

Actually rapier>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>cls for dragons, there is no argument.

 

I wouldn't agree with that, I use CR for Bronze, Irons, Steels, Blues. But I opt for the higher stab on the tougher ones (Blacks & Miths) as I find CLS more effective versus their defense. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no arguement ;)

[Zaaps1]

But it's also worth noting that small boosts (gear with higher strength bonuses, accuracy bonuses, etc) benefit faster weapons more than slower weapons. A dragon defender, for example, would almost certainly close the gap between CLS and CR for those few situations where a CLS is better (doesn't include solo Bandos, though).

 

Food for thought.

 

Very true, but it does not compromise the CLS's position. Even if the Rapier is able to beat the CLS in more places, the CLS will still be able to act better than it in some places, because the CLS can semi-adopt the properties of a Chaotic Maul better than the Rapier can.

 

What I mean is this.

 

If the Rapier is better than the CLS or CM, the Rapier will be better than the CLS (ok duh).

 

If the CLS is better than the Rapier, the Rapier will be worse than the CLS (ok duh).

 

If the CM is better than the Rapier, the Rapier will be worse than the CLS (because the CLS is more like the CM than the Rapier is).

 

Thus, the CLS can lose some ground to the CR without losing versatility. It can shape itself to act like a slightly-lesser CR or CM in any situation. And to me, that appealed the most.

[ghjkl]

But a combination of rapier and maul will always beat the cls, and now with 47 floors its easier to get both.

[Toad]

But a combination of rapier and maul will always beat the cls, and now with 47 floors its easier to get both.

 

I feel all 3 would be best, it's why I have all of them. Plus it's future proofing for future monsters, a boss could come out that a CM or a CLS would be best for, I'd rather have them ready than having to go back to that horrible place called dungeoneering :twisted:

[Zaaps1]

But a combination of rapier and maul will always beat the cls, and now with 47 floors its easier to get both.

 

Yes, but I'm not the player who is going to get both. I'm going to settle after 85 unless something REALLY game-changing decides to pop up. And I'm sure many other players feel the same way. It's such a long road to 200k tokens, that there's little motivation to go for another 200k.

 

Whether it's easier or not is besides the point, especially since you won't unlock all 47 in time.

 

Also, while CR + CM WILL beat the CLS EVERYWHERE, I'll give you that, the relatively small increase in speed isn't enough to justify spending more or less twice the time to get it. I believe you said that Chaotic Weapons were worth 30-50m?

 

I'd rather pocket that 50m and use the versatile CLS than spend it to get the small benefits of using a CR or CM, unless you can really prove that CR and CM are significantly better than the CLS almost everywhere.

[crashNburn]

I'd say a rapier is the most versatile of the bunch.

 

It's superior to the CLS in far more situations, and never truly terrible, except for things with absurd crush bonuses (against which the CLS is almost as bad).

[Zaaps1]

But not if you take away training situsations.

[AlxeMen]

Fail attempt at an argument. Lots of flaws.

 

A) vesta's longsword degrades in 60 minutes... yeah real useful.

 

B) You argued strength in the favor of rapier.. uhh in case you didn't notice longsword has +19 more strength and an incredible +30 attack.

 

C) You kept arguing about rapier's stab bonus and then you said stab defense bonus doesn't matter.. really?

[Obtaurian]

Fail attempt at an argument. Lots of flaws.

 

A) vesta's longsword degrades in 60 minutes... yeah real useful.

 

B) You argued strength in the favor of rapier.. uhh in case you didn't notice longsword has +19 more strength and an incredible +30 attack.

 

C) You kept arguing about rapier's stab bonus and then you said stab defense bonus doesn't matter.. really?

 

Blah blah blah, this thread is full of proof that the CR is better than the CLS in almost every way. Read up.

[Knitewulf]

Nice backup to that argument Morningrise >.>

[AlxeMen]

Fail attempt at an argument. Lots of flaws.

 

A) vesta's longsword degrades in 60 minutes... yeah real useful.

 

B) You argued strength in the favor of rapier.. uhh in case you didn't notice longsword has +19 more strength and an incredible +30 attack.

 

C) You kept arguing about rapier's stab bonus and then you said stab defense bonus doesn't matter.. really?

 

Blah blah blah, this thread is full of proof that the CR is better than the CLS in almost every way. Read up.

 

Blah Blah Blah, your post is full of proof that you need to get a CLS.

[SirIzenhime]

Fail attempt at an argument. Lots of flaws.

 

A) vesta's longsword degrades in 60 minutes... yeah real useful.

 

B) You argued strength in the favor of rapier.. uhh in case you didn't notice longsword has +19 more strength and an incredible +30 attack.

 

C) You kept arguing about rapier's stab bonus and then you said stab defense bonus doesn't matter.. really?

 

Blah blah blah, this thread is full of proof that the CR is better than the CLS in almost every way. Read up.

 

Blah Blah Blah, your post is full of proof that you need to get a CLS.

 

Lol, no

[Obtaurian]

Nice backup to that argument Morningrise >.>

 

Reread what I wrote.

 

This thread is full of proof that the Chaotic Rapier is superior to the Chaotic Longsword in almost every way.

 

If he doesn't want to educate himself, that's not my problem. I'm not going to hold his hand and repeat what many, many posters have already explained many times over.

[xpx]

But a combination of rapier and maul will always beat the cls, and now with 47 floors its easier to get both.

 

I feel all 3 would be best, it's why I have all of them. Plus it's future proofing for future monsters, a boss could come out that a CM or a CLS would be best for, I'd rather have them ready than having to go back to that horrible place called dungeoneering :twisted:

No, the point is that with rapier+maul, cls becomes useless, and the better boosting gear we get the more rapier will dominate over cls- with +10 more stab bonus, rapier might actually be better than cls even at solo bandos(same equipment). If future bosses are to have extremely high defence, no doubt maul would be best, and if they are to have low defence, rapier will be best- the only gray area is bosses with around the same defense as bandos at which rapier is slightly worse and maul is slightly better without a shield.

 

Also, rapier is better than the cls as ALL current dragons. If you have a cls, and haven't tested it yet, cls is NOT a stab weapon. To use stab on it, it gives a major part of it's accuracy boost which is the only reason to use a cls in the first place. At most dragons, a zamorakian spear is even better or as good as cls because of this loss in accuracy(124 slash 107 stab vs 94 stab).

[Swaggers]

Again, I got CLS for it's amazing versatility. It is first or second best at any given location. I'd much rather have that than the Rapier, which is fantastic in training, competitive on easier bosses, and not great on tougher bosses.

 

Plus, add the fact that when you have 99 summoning, 96 prayer and overloads, who will you be competing against? Answer: the people with those same maxed stats and a Rapier/Maul. Sure I'd theoretically lose, but the few duels you do face are rare enough to convince me to world hop without feeling bad about efficiency.

 

So yes, in some places I'm not going to do as great as if I bought the rapier, and in some places I'm going to be inferior to those who use a maul. But I'd rather take the middle road, where a viable option to open to me wherever I go, than a weapon that is only good half the time and restricts me to those places.

 

The point was made that bosses won't necessarily have a sharp defense increase. That's true, but if you think about it, it's more likely to happen than not to happen. So as the scale tips more in favor of the Maul, the CLS continues to gain more and more of an edge against the Rapier, and all the while you can use the CLS effectively everywhere.

 

You do realize that the CR is more "versatile" then the CLS. That's actually one of the main reasons people choose CR over CLS. There are only two places where CLS>CR (Bandos & Sara and even then you're better off with CM). There is actually some instances where the CLS is not worth using at all over non-chaotic weapons.

 

Also, you can speculate about any future bosses all you want but you really don't have evidence to back any of that up. I don't get why you would use that to choose CLS over CR right NOW.

[gypsyeater]

What I would like to know is. Which would be better out of the three for safe pvp like castle wars. Maul would be the best untill you get the t3 cw armor. Then CLS would be better?

[Toad]

But a combination of rapier and maul will always beat the cls, and now with 47 floors its easier to get both.

 

I feel all 3 would be best, it's why I have all of them. Plus it's future proofing for future monsters, a boss could come out that a CM or a CLS would be best for, I'd rather have them ready than having to go back to that horrible place called dungeoneering :twisted:

No, the point is that with rapier+maul, cls becomes useless, and the better boosting gear we get the more rapier will dominate over cls- with +10 more stab bonus, rapier might actually be better than cls even at solo bandos(same equipment). If future bosses are to have extremely high defence, no doubt maul would be best, and if they are to have low defence, rapier will be best- the only gray area is bosses with around the same defense as bandos at which rapier is slightly worse and maul is slightly better without a shield.

 

Also, rapier is better than the cls as ALL current dragons. If you have a cls, and haven't tested it yet, cls is NOT a stab weapon. To use stab on it, it gives a major part of it's accuracy boost which is the only reason to use a cls in the first place. At most dragons, a zamorakian spear is even better or as good as cls because of this loss in accuracy(124 slash 107 stab vs 94 stab).

 

With CLS at a boss you get the option to wear a shield, with maul you don't though.

[Zaaps1]

Again, I got CLS for it's amazing versatility. It is first or second best at any given location. I'd much rather have that than the Rapier, which is fantastic in training, competitive on easier bosses, and not great on tougher bosses.

 

Plus, add the fact that when you have 99 summoning, 96 prayer and overloads, who will you be competing against? Answer: the people with those same maxed stats and a Rapier/Maul. Sure I'd theoretically lose, but the few duels you do face are rare enough to convince me to world hop without feeling bad about efficiency.

 

So yes, in some places I'm not going to do as great as if I bought the rapier, and in some places I'm going to be inferior to those who use a maul. But I'd rather take the middle road, where a viable option to open to me wherever I go, than a weapon that is only good half the time and restricts me to those places.

 

The point was made that bosses won't necessarily have a sharp defense increase. That's true, but if you think about it, it's more likely to happen than not to happen. So as the scale tips more in favor of the Maul, the CLS continues to gain more and more of an edge against the Rapier, and all the while you can use the CLS effectively everywhere.

 

You do realize that the CR is more "versatile" then the CLS. That's actually one of the main reasons people choose CR over CLS. There are only two places where CLS>CR (Bandos & Sara and even then you're better off with CM). There is actually some instances where the CLS is not worth using at all over non-chaotic weapons.

 

Also, you can speculate about any future bosses all you want but you really don't have evidence to back any of that up. I don't get why you would use that to choose CLS over CR right NOW.

 

CR is WAAY more versatile if you include the fact that it's better for training. But in my case, at maxed melee, training isn't a big concern ;)

 

Bandos and Sara CLS > CR, and you said the CM is better, which is besides the point. Everywhere that the CR is better than the CLS, the CLS is also better than the CM. Oh, and TDS can be added to that list.

 

Plus, since we aren't training, the fact that CR is "better" than the CLS at some locations is entirely trivial. Yes I'm going to kill MAYBE 1 or 2 less per hour. Fair price to pay to get able to use it anywhere. When two weapons are this good, and once is slightly better, there's no real difference outside of training.

 

And give me proof of a place where non-Chaotic > CLS. I personally haven't heard of any not named Waterfiends.

[stonewall337]

But a combination of rapier and maul will always beat the cls, and now with 47 floors its easier to get both.

 

I feel all 3 would be best, it's why I have all of them. Plus it's future proofing for future monsters, a boss could come out that a CM or a CLS would be best for, I'd rather have them ready than having to go back to that horrible place called dungeoneering :twisted:

No, the point is that with rapier+maul, cls becomes useless, and the better boosting gear we get the more rapier will dominate over cls- with +10 more stab bonus, rapier might actually be better than cls even at solo bandos(same equipment). If future bosses are to have extremely high defence, no doubt maul would be best, and if they are to have low defence, rapier will be best- the only gray area is bosses with around the same defense as bandos at which rapier is slightly worse and maul is slightly better without a shield.

 

Also, rapier is better than the cls as ALL current dragons. If you have a cls, and haven't tested it yet, cls is NOT a stab weapon. To use stab on it, it gives a major part of it's accuracy boost which is the only reason to use a cls in the first place. At most dragons, a zamorakian spear is even better or as good as cls because of this loss in accuracy(124 slash 107 stab vs 94 stab).

 

With CLS at a boss you get the option to wear a shield, with maul you don't though.

 

 

Which is the one reason I'm considering CLS.