Dungeoneering: Bindery

[Capt_Davy]

hm, considering how good stego body was, I wonder which would a better bind (for second bind slot, assuming I never get 100 dung for third bind slot), tyrannoleather body or shadow silk hood?

 

Hood.

 

Leatherbodies and Platebodies are fantastic, but they can't offer you the level of protection the hood can.

 

the plate/body debate is realy for 100 dung, also im asuming by the time i have 3 perm binds, sag body will already be out

 

you can compare prom pltae vs tyrano body now but honestly, saggitare body is over 20% better than tyrano, primal plate is only 5-10% better than prom plate so if you think tyrano and prom are about even, id say sag will surpass primal

 

Thanks zaaps! So it seems like I'll be keeping my good ol' trusty....fourth :oops: ...shadow silk hood.

 

and squisher, yeah I guess that's true, looking at it from that perspective. But an important thing to keep in mind is that sagittarian body and primal platebody will only come out with warped floors, which will hopefully change things up a bit. By then, anyone with the dungeoneering level to access warped floors (lvl 95+) should be seriously thinking about that third bind slot. As you pointed out, sagittarian body does offer a bigger jump up from tyrannoleather body compared to primal platebody vs promethium platebody, but we'll have to see which is best for warped floors as well as occult (if any 95+ dungeoneer would even do many 5:5 occults by then...).

[Obtaurian]

I imagine that the sagittarian body will be available at a much lower level than the primal plate (relatively, anyway). I'd bet a few GP that the primal plate and 2h will only be available at 113+ dungeoneering.

[Blutters]

I imagine that the sagittarian body will be available at a much lower level than the primal plate (relatively, anyway). I'd bet a few GP that the primal plate and 2h will only be available at 113+ dungeoneering.

Let's see... floors go to 60...

We're up to 47 now, at level 93.

There will likely be 3 bosses at lvl 95, and there are the Primal Longsword, Spear, 2H Sword, Celestial, Sag, Primal Platebody... Uhh...

So lvl 95 for Primal Longsword/Spear/2H Sword, 101 for Celestial Robe Top, 107 for Sag. body, 113 for Primal Platebody? :unsure:

[Obtaurian]

I imagine that the sagittarian body will be available at a much lower level than the primal plate (relatively, anyway). I'd bet a few GP that the primal plate and 2h will only be available at 113+ dungeoneering.

Let's see... floors go to 60...

We're up to 47 now, at level 93.

There will likely be 3 bosses at lvl 95, and there are the Primal Longsword, Spear, 2H Sword, Celestial, Sag, Primal Platebody... Uhh...

So lvl 95 for Primal Longsword/Spear/2H Sword, 101 for Celestial Robe Top, 107 for Sag. body, 113 for Primal Platebody? :unsure:

 

Are bosses assigned to levels in a recurring pattern? I just guessed 113+ because I imagine that the final boss (before Bilrach) will be unlocked at a lower level than 119, and 113 sounded reasonable to me. I'm guessing the platebody will be the last item just because it's prestigious.

[Squisher_33]

yes that is the correct pattern

 

i dont see 2h becoming available at 95, my guess is

 

95: clestial body, longsword, spear

101: sag body (its a 3rd bind anyways so the lvl is perfect)

107: primal platebody

113: primal 2h

[Capt_Davy]

I'd have to agree with squisher, it fits the pattern; notice how the highest-levelled boss on each set of floors always drop weapons? I'd bet that the strongest boss would drop the strongest weapon (2h).

 

I wonder who the final boss will be, and if it's Bilrach...well...it would be interesting to see how strong he is, and how we would kill him (remember "killing" Lucien in Temple of Ikov?).

[I_am_Geed]

Can someone explain why we go crazy over the shadowsilk hood?

[krimi]

Can someone explain why we go crazy over the shadowsilk hood?

It lets you run past some enemies without being noticed. Mages and some other enemies can see you though.

[Evil_Sabre]

Can someone explain why we go crazy over the shadowsilk hood?

 

Do a 5 man large when you're the only one without a hood and you'll find out really fast. Every warrior, ranger, zombie, skeleton, and hill giant will only be attacking you.

[Quyneax]

I made a poll on this a while back, I'll copy my bind order here:

1. A two-handed sword.
   
2. Previous and a shadow silk hood.
   
3. Previous and blood necklace
   
4. Previous and a gold accuracy bracelet, I'd also replace the 2h with a rapier.
   
5. Guardian's ward and above.
   
6. All armour pieces arranged by the amount of defence they give: plate, legs, boots.
   

I love my (gorgonite) rapier, on C1's I get berserker titles vs. prom 2h/spear/long.

[stonewall337]

If I keyed more, I'd get t5 tank and use a ADF or novite kite, but otherwise I stick with 2h.

[Blutters]

My friend brought up a pretty good point, which is that any shield will allow you to use the Tank perk. This means that if you have three binds, [at the moment] it's better to bind platelegs or chaps than a kiteshield (in addition of course to the battleaxe and hood) - well, for keying at least.

[Squisher_33]

personaly i think tank shold function as:

 

tier of ring + tier of shield = dmd reduced, max of 21% with primal kiteshield and t10 tank

[Guest tip3074]

My friend brought up a pretty good point, which is that any shield will allow you to use the Tank perk. This means that if you have three binds, [at the moment] it's better to bind platelegs or chaps than a kiteshield (in addition of course to the battleaxe and hood) - well, for keying at least.

That might be true.

[xpx]

personaly i think tank shold function as:

 

tier of ring + tier of shield = dmd reduced, max of 21% with primal kiteshield and t10 tank

Wouldn't guardians ward be better than prim kite for keying? No idea if your thoughts are correct, but the main enemies a keyer faces are mages, and having good defense stats in everything plus a very nice mage def(hood+ward would give the same mage def as t7 ranged body). The ward is bound to be t9+.

[DeeKay]

I've a Celestial Catalytic staff and a Sagittarian longbow and arrows bound, and that's about it. I don't rush so the hood isn't important and I can make armour on the way.

I was handed a Guardian's Ward once, but chose not to keep it. I thought it wasn't uncommon to get them as drops, but I guess they're much rarer than that.

[Smapla]

I've a Celestial Catalytic staff and a Sagittarian longbow and arrows bound, and that's about it. I don't rush so the hood isn't important and I can make armour on the way.

I was handed a Guardian's Ward once, but chose not to keep it. I thought it wasn't uncommon to get them as drops, but I guess they're much rarer than that.

 

i've encountered probably five of them so far but no hood. i don't think their that rare... obviously five is too small a sample to tell though

[Blutters]

I've a Celestial Catalytic staff and a Sagittarian longbow and arrows bound, and that's about it. I don't rush so the hood isn't important and I can make armour on the way.

I was handed a Guardian's Ward once, but chose not to keep it. I thought it wasn't uncommon to get them as drops, but I guess they're much rarer than that.

 

i've encountered probably five of them so far but no hood. i don't think their that rare... obviously five is too small a sample to tell though

I've never found the higher tier commemorative plate (well maybe once?), only the lower one, and many, many times at that (3+ in one large before!). Are you sure you had the higher version and not the lower version?

[Leximunium]

The best tank binds:

primal long

primal kite

primal plate

 

4th item could either be a shadowsilk hood or a hexhunter bow.

[SirIzenhime]

The best tank binds:

primal long

primal kite

primal plate

 

4th item could either be a shadowsilk hood or a hexhunter bow.

 

You'd be better off binding a binding legs over the shield....you can use ANY shield for tank, so you'd just buy a Novite shield from the shop at the start

Also factoring in the fact that most of the things that see you either mage or melee, you'd be better off with a Sag body, since meleers will only get one shot at you as you run through, you could just protect from range, and the Body would protect you from mages.

 

I'm pretty sure at this point, a tanks binds would be..

Shadow Silk hood

Tyrannoleather body (since sag isn't avaliable yet)

Primal B axe

 

Not sure for 4th bind

[AnneFrank]

The best tank binds:

primal long

primal kite

primal plate

 

4th item could either be a shadowsilk hood or a hexhunter bow.

 

You'd be better off binding a binding legs over the shield....you can use ANY shield for tank, so you'd just buy a Novite shield from the shop at the start

Also factoring in the fact that most of the things that see you either mage or melee, you'd be better off with a Sag body, since meleers will only get one shot at you as you run through, you could just protect from range, and the Body would protect you from mages.

 

I'm pretty sure at this point, a tanks binds would be..

Shadow Silk hood

Tyrannoleather body (since sag isn't avaliable yet)

Primal B axe

 

Not sure for 4th bind

blood neck

Sag chaps

Primal plate legs

 

 

choose your posion

[SirIzenhime]

chaps and legs? what's the use of that?

[homer205]

He meant pick one of those three as a 4th bind, not to have them both bound.

[DeeKay]

[...]

On theme weaknesses: (my post from RSOF)

"Just something small I thought I should point out:

Ice - Crush

Abandoned - Stab

Furnished - Slash

Occult - Ranged

So...

[...]

Just finished a floor 38 large dungeon with a Sagittarian longbow and matching tier 8 armour, and it sucked balls. Nowhere near a match compared to melee, against no matter what enemy.

[Blutters]

[...]

On theme weaknesses: (my post from RSOF)

"Just something small I thought I should point out:

Ice - Crush

Abandoned - Stab

Furnished - Slash

Occult - Ranged

So...

[...]

Just finished a floor 38 large dungeon with a Sagittarian longbow and matching tier 8 armour, and it sucked balls. Nowhere near a match compared to melee, against no matter what enemy.

Yeah, okay.

I think you're exaggerating that it "sucked", but rather, it just wasn't QUITE as fast as melee. Which goes against sense anyway.