Efficiency

[Troacctid]

Spamfest.

 

On topic; What more is there to say on this topic? We've established that efficiency can mean 2 things, and it's fine. Just accept that it's okay to trade people, and it's also okay to buy things to train?

Technically, we haven't "established" anything in this thread because it's all been well-established already. It's only a matter of explaining it to people who don't understand it.

[Guest jrhairychest]

Because I want to be an English professor in a couple years, I'll help you out here:

 

Bladewing and I have about the same stats. Bladewing and I have access to the two most profitable boss monsters. Bladewing, however, has the advantage of using a divine spirit shield and a chaotic rapier. I can make about 4m/h at TDs or DKs with my gear. Bladewing can make slightly more at both bosses due to his gear (more at DKs than at TDs, presumably).

 

I will repeat it again so you don't miss it. I'll even put it in big red letters:

 

I can make about 4m/h at TDs or DKs.

 

I thought professors were supposed to have minds of their own. Never mind, the wishful thinking might keep you going while flipping burgers.

 

Ah so now its 4m ph. So how does all this translate into the game? After all, you're talking like you do it but in reality you're not doing it, otherwise you'd have the superior gear that Blade has in next to no time. There isn't much point in professing to be efficient if you're not actually doing so. Your stats are nowhere near up to the mark of the rest of your buddies on here, even for the cheaper buyables and if I'm being honest you're way out of your depth with the company you keep. Theres no real process to your game except combat so it's not anything like efficiency. You do as you will but in the end you're not backing up any of these claims you make. Prove me wrong, or do you need your friends to help you out here?

 

I've read some of the arguments and not going to take the time to read them all as I almost never go on these forums, but I see one thing that you all seem to be missing. It may have been said, but true efficiency would be doing everything on your own. Of course, this my my own opinion but I see efficiently playing RS as training all skills at nearly the same rate and using the benefits from one skill to help out another. I use the GE only when I have a drop from slayer that I know I won't use later on or when I'm not able to get something myself because I don't have the level for it.

 

Oh, and if you say my skills don't show this, to an extent they do but I have only had this viewpoint for about a year after having taken a break for about two years so all my skills before could have been a bit off.

 

I also see that getting everything on your own is the most fun way to play the game, to me it is but that is just me. People get too worked up over the most trivial of things, I said to my friend while chatting with him at the GE "It makes no sense to have a second account or a pure" and I got at least four people ragging at me that pures are more fun and that their main pwns me. I responded that it makes no sense to have more than one account if your first is not maxed in everything, and since no one is maxed 200m exp in anything, no one should use a second account. All in all it was a point of view I stated to my friend and then got a bad response from others. While I may not see why people do things, they do and that is part of human nature and that should never be changed (Also another view of my own, there are people who would change that). There will always be at least two sides to an opinion.

 

Sorry if that got a little out of track and random, looks fine to me but I'm not really focused right now.

The last time I mentioned this the children spat their dummy out on here. I prefer DIY the same as I'm not into buying skills and like yourself I'll use the G.E if I need to flog stuff or buy only what I can't get myself. I also agree that skill linking is useful as I think this is the way the game was meant to be played.

[Obtaurian]

 

I thought professors were supposed to have minds of their own. Never mind, the wishful thinking might keep you going while flipping burgers.

 

Ah so now its 4m ph. So how does all this translate into the game? After all, you're talking like you do it but in reality you're not doing it, otherwise you'd have the superior gear that Blade has in next to no time. There isn't much point in professing to be efficient if you're not actually doing so. Your stats are nowhere near up to the mark of the rest of your buddies on here, even for the cheaper buyables and if I'm being honest you're way out of your depth with the company you keep. Theres no real process to your game except combat so it's not anything like efficiency. You do as you will but in the end you're not backing up any of these claims you make. Prove me wrong, or do you need your friends to help you out here?

 

:lol:

 

I think I'll follow Troacctid's advice on this one.

[xpx]

jrhairychest, you should really stop talking about elite level gameplay. 4m an hour is easily possible, and with more than 3 methods, even. Money by itself can't get you the highest level equipment, and even at that, 140 hours is anything but ''next to no time''. Stick to what you know, you are just trying to make yourself look stupid right now.

[Guest jrhairychest]

jrhairychest, you should really stop talking about elite level gameplay. 4m an hour is easily possible, and with more than 3 methods, even. Money by itself can't get you the highest level equipment, and even at that, 140 hours is anything but ''next to no time''. Stick to what you know, you are just trying to make yourself look stupid right now.

 

Who said it was impossible? I'm just saying it easy to state you follow it without backing it up. Its even more stupid to claim how efficient you are when your stats suggest no such thing. I do stick to what I know but I also recognise the usual BS when I smell it.

[D Jay99]

HINT you can be efficient and still dont train skills you don't like

[SirIzenhime]

jrhairychest, you should really stop talking about elite level gameplay. 4m an hour is easily possible, and with more than 3 methods, even. Money by itself can't get you the highest level equipment, and even at that, 140 hours is anything but ''next to no time''. Stick to what you know, you are just trying to make yourself look stupid right now.

 

Who said it was impossible? I'm just saying it easy to state you follow it without backing it up. Its even more stupid to claim how efficient you are when your stats suggest no such thing. I do stick to what I know but I also recognise the usual BS when I smell it.

 

You know...just because I don't have 99 mining and smithing, doesn't mean I don't know how to efficiently get 99 mining and smithing

Just saying.

[Guest jrhairychest]

HINT you can be efficient and still dont train skills you don't like

 

You know...just because I don't have 99 mining and smithing, doesn't mean I don't know how to efficiently get 99 mining and smithing

Just saying.

 

In that case anyone can profess to be as efficient as they like. You know them, you've met them in game and thought 'Yeah right!'

[Assume Nothing]

Spamfest.

 

On topic; What more is there to say on this topic? We've established that efficiency can mean 2 things, and it's fine. Just accept that it's okay to trade people, and it's also okay to buy things to train?

Technically, we haven't "established" anything in this thread because it's all been well-established already. It's only a matter of explaining it to people who don't understand it.

This thread is still stupid. It's not like jhc has any stats to disprove any of the claims of moneymakers. And why is playing inefficiently fun? I couldn't do an hour of monkfishing, but I can stand 5 hours straight of barbarian fishing. I find playing RS efficiently is fun.

[D Jay99]

HINT you can be efficient and still dont train skills you don't like

 

You know...just because I don't have 99 mining and smithing, doesn't mean I don't know how to efficiently get 99 mining and smithing

Just saying.

 

In that case anyone can profess to be as efficient as they like. You know them, you've met them in game and thought 'Yeah right!'

And that isn't the point of this thread at all, good job

[Assume Nothing]

HINT you can be efficient and still dont train skills you don't like

 

You know...just because I don't have 99 mining and smithing, doesn't mean I don't know how to efficiently get 99 mining and smithing

Just saying.

 

In that case anyone can profess to be as efficient as they like. You know them, you've met them in game and thought 'Yeah right!'

And that isn't the point of this thread at all, good job

 

Very good job

[SirIzenhime]

HINT you can be efficient and still dont train skills you don't like

 

You know...just because I don't have 99 mining and smithing, doesn't mean I don't know how to efficiently get 99 mining and smithing

Just saying.

 

In that case anyone can profess to be as efficient as they like. You know them, you've met them in game and thought 'Yeah right!'

 

I'm efficient at the things I actually do...doesn't mean I do everything. #-o

You seem to be missing EVERYTHING about this thread.

[PereGrin]

You know...just because I don't have 99 mining and smithing, doesn't mean I don't know how to efficiently get 99 mining and smithing

Just saying.

Oh for the sake of sanity and the rest of the players who might learn something from this thread, don't respond to him. He will tell you that he knows it can't be done, because he has never tried it. That is the 10 word summary of all his useless spam on this thread.

 

Ignore him, he is a troll.

[Assume Nothing]

You know...just because I don't have 99 mining and smithing, doesn't mean I don't know how to efficiently get 99 mining and smithing

Just saying.

Oh for the sake of sanity and the rest of the players who might learn something from this thread, don't respond to him. He will tell you that he knows it can't be done, because he has never tried it. That is the 10 word summary of all his useless spam on this thread.

 

Ignore him, he is a troll.

 

I have never tried dying, so it can't happen.

 

On Topic; Would you find playing RuneScape fun, if you did everything in an inefficient manner? Such as refusing to use the GE, Slaying for xp, and doing other things deemed inferior?

[SirIzenhime]

You know...just because I don't have 99 mining and smithing, doesn't mean I don't know how to efficiently get 99 mining and smithing

Just saying.

Oh for the sake of sanity and the rest of the players who might learn something from this thread, don't respond to him. He will tell you that he knows it can't be done, because he has never tried it. That is the 10 word summary of all his useless spam on this thread.

 

Ignore him, he is a troll.

 

I have never tried dying, so it can't happen.

 

On Topic; Would you find playing RuneScape fun, if you did everything in an inefficient manner? Such as refusing to use the GE, Slaying for xp, and doing other things deemed inferior?

 

Not using the GE and being efficient don't connect, but to answer your question. No, i wouldn't, which is why I don't train skills like Runecrafting and Hunter, because I don't find them fun. However, the things I do find fun, I do efficiently, because I find it more fun that way.

[Assume Nothing]

You know...just because I don't have 99 mining and smithing, doesn't mean I don't know how to efficiently get 99 mining and smithing

Just saying.

Oh for the sake of sanity and the rest of the players who might learn something from this thread, don't respond to him. He will tell you that he knows it can't be done, because he has never tried it. That is the 10 word summary of all his useless spam on this thread.

 

Ignore him, he is a troll.

 

I have never tried dying, so it can't happen.

 

On Topic; Would you find playing RuneScape fun, if you did everything in an inefficient manner? Such as refusing to use the GE, Slaying for xp, and doing other things deemed inferior?

 

Not using the GE and being efficient don't connect, but to answer your question. No, i wouldn't, which is why I don't train skills like Runecrafting and Hunter, because I don't find them fun. However, the things I do find fun, I do efficiently, because I find it more fun that way.

 

Pretty sure not using the GE means DIY'ing everything, which is 'less efficient' most of the time. I don't do boring, low rewarding skills because it's so slow to train, hence playing inefficiently isn't fun at all.

[Bladewing]

Ah so now its 4m ph. So how does all this translate into the game? After all, you're talking like you do it but in reality you're not doing it, otherwise you'd have the superior gear that Blade has in next to no time. There isn't much point in professing to be efficient if you're not actually doing so. Your stats are nowhere near up to the mark of the rest of your buddies on here, even for the cheaper buyables and if I'm being honest you're way out of your depth with the company you keep. Theres no real process to your game except combat so it's not anything like efficiency. You do as you will but in the end you're not backing up any of these claims you make. Prove me wrong, or do you need your friends to help you out here?

okay so about the divine. it's 557.9m, 585.8m max in the ge. you have two options for getting a divine. the first is getting the gp then sniping it. just getting the gold will take around 150 hours. then you're looking at camping the ge for 1-6 hours a day for about a week before the price updates - another 30 hours we'll say. 180 hours. THEN you have to wait several weeks and MAYBE you will get the shield. otherwise it'll be another 10 hours of money making and 30 hours of camping the ge and several weeks waiting to MAYBE get a shield. OR you make the 1.5b, and buy the shield + junk for cash. it'd take you about 375 hours, then probably 10-25 hours of actual "shopping" on the rsof to find and haggle with a seller with the junk or do intermediate trades. it'll take you about 15-25 hours to shift 1b junk, and you'll lose probably about 15-20% of that 1b. so either way you're looking at 200, 250, 300 or more hours to get a divine. plus you get NO xp during any of the trading, so there's additional losses there.

 

as for his stats, he has not been playing as much for as long as many others, i know that much for sure. please don't play the "level card", especially when YOUR stats are pitiful compared to his.

 

The last time I mentioned this the children spat their dummy out on here. I prefer DIY the same as I'm not into buying skills and like yourself I'll use the G.E if I need to flog stuff or buy only what I can't get myself. I also agree that skill linking is useful as I think this is the way the game was meant to be played.

can you show me where jagex said that not trading and DIY is the way the game was meant to be played?

 

maybe you should read about something called emergent gameplay

[xpx]

jrhairychest, you should really stop talking about elite level gameplay. 4m an hour is easily possible, and with more than 3 methods, even. Money by itself can't get you the highest level equipment, and even at that, 140 hours is anything but ''next to no time''. Stick to what you know, you are just trying to make yourself look stupid right now.

 

Who said it was impossible? I'm just saying it easy to state you follow it without backing it up. Its even more stupid to claim how efficient you are when your stats suggest no such thing. I do stick to what I know but I also recognise the usual BS when I smell it.

It's efficient to not train the skills you absolutely don't like, so unless you know what skills player X likes and what not, you can't make an argument about it. Also, efficiency is defined as time saved, and i'm more than 99% sure you don't know how many in-game hours any of us has, so you actually have no idea how efficient any of us is with out stats, and even if you knew the play time, you'd have to adjust it to the fact that some of us had high levels back in rsc and what not. Your argument of telling who is efficient or not based on their stats is BS.

[Bladewing]

^ yeah just look at golvellius, he's near-maxed or maxed and he fervently denies ever doing anything efficiently

[Assume Nothing]

Ah so now its 4m ph. So how does all this translate into the game? After all, you're talking like you do it but in reality you're not doing it, otherwise you'd have the superior gear that Blade has in next to no time. There isn't much point in professing to be efficient if you're not actually doing so. Your stats are nowhere near up to the mark of the rest of your buddies on here, even for the cheaper buyables and if I'm being honest you're way out of your depth with the company you keep. Theres no real process to your game except combat so it's not anything like efficiency. You do as you will but in the end you're not backing up any of these claims you make. Prove me wrong, or do you need your friends to help you out here?

okay so about the divine. it's 557.9m, 585.8m max in the ge. you have two options for getting a divine. the first is getting the gp then sniping it. just getting the gold will take around 150 hours. then you're looking at camping the ge for 1-6 hours a day for about a week before the price updates - another 30 hours we'll say. 180 hours. THEN you have to wait several weeks and MAYBE you will get the shield. otherwise it'll be another 10 hours of money making and 30 hours of camping the ge and several weeks waiting to MAYBE get a shield. OR you make the 1.5b, and buy the shield + junk for cash. it'd take you about 375 hours, then probably 10-25 hours of actual "shopping" on the rsof to find and haggle with a seller with the junk or do intermediate trades. it'll take you about 15-25 hours to shift 1b junk, and you'll lose probably about 15-20% of that 1b. so either way you're looking at 200, 250, 300 or more hours to get a divine. plus you get NO xp during any of the trading, so there's additional losses there.

 

as for his stats, he has not been playing as much for as long as many others, i know that much for sure. please don't play the "level card", especially when YOUR stats are pitiful compared to his.

 

The last time I mentioned this the children spat their dummy out on here. I prefer DIY the same as I'm not into buying skills and like yourself I'll use the G.E if I need to flog stuff or buy only what I can't get myself. I also agree that skill linking is useful as I think this is the way the game was meant to be played.

can you show me where jagex said that not trading and DIY is the way the game was meant to be played?

 

maybe you should read about something called emergent gameplay

"Hi I am jrhairychest and I shall claim that it's impossible to make 1m/h because I have never done so. Also, DIY is the best way to play RuneScape because I hate clicking on the GE and pressing 'Buy Death Rune'. You have max stats but you have no stats to prove that you can make 4m/h, although I have pitiful stats compared to 99% of the RuneScape community. Being efficient is stupid because it isn't fun. You're all 12 years old, and don't know what this is."

 

On topic; I don't get what's so efficient about training skills you hate, really. Most of the idiots here are just too stubborn to accept simple knowledge, it's almost like they're trolling.

[SirIzenhime]

[hide]

You know...just because I don't have 99 mining and smithing, doesn't mean I don't know how to efficiently get 99 mining and smithing

Just saying.

Oh for the sake of sanity and the rest of the players who might learn something from this thread, don't respond to him. He will tell you that he knows it can't be done, because he has never tried it. That is the 10 word summary of all his useless spam on this thread.

 

Ignore him, he is a troll.

 

I have never tried dying, so it can't happen.

 

On Topic; Would you find playing RuneScape fun, if you did everything in an inefficient manner? Such as refusing to use the GE, Slaying for xp, and doing other things deemed inferior?

 

Not using the GE and being efficient don't connect, but to answer your question. No, i wouldn't, which is why I don't train skills like Runecrafting and Hunter, because I don't find them fun. However, the things I do find fun, I do efficiently, because I find it more fun that way.

[/hide]

 

Pretty sure not using the GE means DIY'ing everything, which is 'less efficient' most of the time. I don't do boring, low rewarding skills because it's so slow to train, hence playing inefficiently isn't fun at all.

 

Oh sorry, I misread it. How ever, you're wrong about slaying being inefficient, as you gain more Total xp/hr doing slayer then you would camping a monster for just combat xp (unless your master doesn't like you, and gives you every slow task possible)

 

Anyways, misreading aside, I still answered your question

[Assume Nothing]

[hide]

You know...just because I don't have 99 mining and smithing, doesn't mean I don't know how to efficiently get 99 mining and smithing

Just saying.

Oh for the sake of sanity and the rest of the players who might learn something from this thread, don't respond to him. He will tell you that he knows it can't be done, because he has never tried it. That is the 10 word summary of all his useless spam on this thread.

 

Ignore him, he is a troll.

 

I have never tried dying, so it can't happen.

 

On Topic; Would you find playing RuneScape fun, if you did everything in an inefficient manner? Such as refusing to use the GE, Slaying for xp, and doing other things deemed inferior?

 

Not using the GE and being efficient don't connect, but to answer your question. No, i wouldn't, which is why I don't train skills like Runecrafting and Hunter, because I don't find them fun. However, the things I do find fun, I do efficiently, because I find it more fun that way.

[/hide]

 

Pretty sure not using the GE means DIY'ing everything, which is 'less efficient' most of the time. I don't do boring, low rewarding skills because it's so slow to train, hence playing inefficiently isn't fun at all.

 

Oh sorry, I misread it. How ever, you're wrong about slaying being inefficient, as you gain more Total xp/hr doing slayer then you would camping a monster for just combat xp (unless your master doesn't like you, and gives you every slow task possible)

 

Anyways, misreading aside, I still answered your question

 

Slaying is the most efficient way to gain slayer xp. Not for other levels. But if one of your goals is to reach max stats, then yeah, you're right, slaying is efficient

[Guest jrhairychest]

Oo now look at this. All the cronies come out as that nasty Jrhairychest has hurt poor little Obtaurian's feelings. At least now I can see who's in this little pack of brown nosing darlings.

 

okay so about the divine. it's 557.9m, 585.8m max in the ge. you have two options for getting a divine. the first is getting the gp then sniping it. just getting the gold will take around 150 hours. then you're looking at camping the ge for 1-6 hours a day for about a week before the price updates - another 30 hours we'll say. 180 hours. THEN you have to wait several weeks and MAYBE you will get the shield. otherwise it'll be another 10 hours of money making and 30 hours of camping the ge and several weeks waiting to MAYBE get a shield. OR you make the 1.5b, and buy the shield + junk for cash. it'd take you about 375 hours, then probably 10-25 hours of actual "shopping" on the rsof to find and haggle with a seller with the junk or do intermediate trades. it'll take you about 15-25 hours to shift 1b junk, and you'll lose probably about 15-20% of that 1b. so either way you're looking at 200, 250, 300 or more hours to get a divine. plus you get NO xp during any of the trading, so there's additional losses there.

Thanks for that. You've actually bothered to provide some info on the subject. When you put it like that its not really that efficient at all is it.

 

as for his stats, he has not been playing as much for as long as many others, i know that much for sure. please don't play the "level card", especially when YOUR stats are pitiful compared to his.

Having high combat stats doesn't prove he's an efficient player. My stats may be pitiful but I already know this, and what is worse, most of his none combat stats are worse than mine. No idea whether your maths is off but he's only 67 levels ahead in total. Efficient? Pffffffft.

 

can you show me where jagex said that not trading and DIY is the way the game was meant to be played?

 

maybe you should read about something called emergent gameplay

Can you show me where it's against the rules, or that skills aren't linked in any way, or that Jagex said it wasn't supposed to play this way?

[Assume Nothing]

Oo now look at this. All the cronies come out as that nasty Jrhairychest has hurt poor little Obtaurian's feelings. At least now I can see who's in this little pack of brown nosing darlings.

 

can you show me where jagex said that not trading and DIY is the way the game was meant to be played?

 

maybe you should read about something called emergent gameplay

Can you show me where it's against the rules, or that skills aren't linked in any way, or that Jagex said it wasn't supposed to play this way?

How does rules even relate to this? You're nothing but a failed troll. Nobody has to play your style, stop preaching ignorant child.

[Bladewing]

@ ring

 

back when he got those levels, the amount of time he would have to spend actually trading for all those materials was significant. today it takes 15 seconds to buy 10k dragonhides. so it was possibly efficient for him to kill blue dragons, which were at the time quite good money anyway.

 

@jr

 

getting a divine may not be efficient, you are possibly correct

 

efficient is not a synonym for high levelled

 

the only one asserting that there exists a "correct way to play" is YOU