Behind the Scenes - March

[Danqazmlp]

Personally no I don't. Herblore has turned into a horrible skill which for the ultra high levels has improved the game, but for those under those levels has almost ruined some aspects. They have become imbalanced in Mhing (not going to get into the whole crashing debate) and made herblore incredibly expensive to train. It has, as with many things in runescape, made the rich richer and the poor comparably poorer. I could see a high level non-tradeable smithing update doing the same. Depending on the benefits, if we have anything go go on by the herblore update, it would make training it for your average joe even more painful than it already is.

 

Although compared to herblore it is easier to get the raw materials so DIY would be easier, it would still not help the majority of Runescape players, those who cannot afford to get 90+ in buyables at all.

 

I do not deny smithing needs a major overhaul, but making it like herblore would not be the way. This update however could be the overhaul it needs. If somehow it makes smithing cheaper to train and gives an alternative to standing at an anvil or a furnace for hours, making the higher level update in the future would be less painful than making it now. It's better for them to put the infrastructure in the game now than to wait until after.

 

Edit: To add as well, we don't know that this isn't the overhaul either. They don't explain what an ancient ceremonial sword will be or what the armour will be. For all we know, they could be parts you add to existing armour like people have explained. Add ceremonial armour plates onto existing armour? We just don't know. Judging it now is pointless as many people can and probably will change their opinion when the update rolls around.

[UserOnRS]

However, it will be hard to choose between Berserker/Archer and Ring of Wealth. <_<

Wear your normal ring then change to ROW when it's about to die. :P

[Blyaunte]

Personally no I don't. Herblore has turned into a horrible skill which for the ultra high levels has improved the game, but for those under those levels has almost ruined some aspects. They have become imbalanced in Mhing (not going to get into the whole crashing debate) and made herblore incredibly expensive to train. It has, as with many things in runescape, made the rich richer and the poor comparably poorer. I could see a high level non-tradeable smithing update doing the same. Depending on the benefits, if we have anything go go on by the herblore update, it would make training it for your average joe even more painful than it already is.

 

Although compared to herblore it is easier to get the raw materials so DIY would be easier, it would still not help the majority of Runescape players, those who cannot afford to get 90+ in buyables at all.

 

I do not deny smithing needs a major overhaul, but making it like herblore would not be the way. This update however could be the overhaul it needs. If somehow it makes smithing cheaper to train and gives an alternative to standing at an anvil or a furnace for hours, making the higher level update in the future would be less painful than making it now. It's better for them to put the infrastructure in the game now than to wait until after.

 

Edit: To add as well, we don't know that this isn't the overhaul either. They don't explain what an ancient ceremonial sword will be or what the armour will be. For all we know, they could be parts you add to existing armour like people have explained. Add ceremonial armour plates onto existing armour? We just don't know. Judging it now is pointless as many people can and probably will change their opinion when the update rolls around.

 

We're going to agree to disagree. Herblore is entirely trainable for lower levels. You can buy low level herb seeds for next to nothing and make scads of herbs to achieve the base levels. Many monsters -- particularly slayer monsters -- drop plenty of herbs and related herblore gear and seconds. You can farm higher level herbs. You can quest and use your kingdom for more herbs.

 

Updating herblore actually made FARMING a valuable and otherwise useful skill. It also broadened the appeal of other skills such as slayer.

 

This is EXACTLY what they need to do with smithing. There is no content, in terms of usability, for smithing armour or weapons for any combat skill over 40. Period. 99 smithing nets you nothing of any use whatsoever in terms of usable product.

 

The point of getting 90+ in a skill is to have the high level content to make it worthwhile. High level content isn't a slightly less grind -- it's an end product that's of use to players.

 

Besides, if they were going to make this update "epic" in any way whatsoever, they wouldn't be sneaking it through, amidst an otherwise action-packed month. They'd be crowing about it.

[green9090]

Personally no I don't. Herblore has turned into a horrible skill which for the ultra high levels has improved the game, but for those under those levels has almost ruined some aspects. They have become imbalanced in Mhing (not going to get into the whole crashing debate) and made herblore incredibly expensive to train. It has, as with many things in runescape, made the rich richer and the poor comparably poorer. I could see a high level non-tradeable smithing update doing the same. Depending on the benefits, if we have anything go go on by the herblore update, it would make training it for your average joe even more painful than it already is.

 

Although compared to herblore it is easier to get the raw materials so DIY would be easier, it would still not help the majority of Runescape players, those who cannot afford to get 90+ in buyables at all.

 

I do not deny smithing needs a major overhaul, but making it like herblore would not be the way. This update however could be the overhaul it needs. If somehow it makes smithing cheaper to train and gives an alternative to standing at an anvil or a furnace for hours, making the higher level update in the future would be less painful than making it now. It's better for them to put the infrastructure in the game now than to wait until after.

 

Edit: To add as well, we don't know that this isn't the overhaul either. They don't explain what an ancient ceremonial sword will be or what the armour will be. For all we know, they could be parts you add to existing armour like people have explained. Add ceremonial armour plates onto existing armour? We just don't know. Judging it now is pointless as many people can and probably will change their opinion when the update rolls around.

You seem to be laboring under the impression that whether a player is high level or not is a matter of luck and not something players can control.

 

NOPE.

[FIREWORKS]

The smithing update sounds stupid. The skills is currently useless and the update wont change that ? Where are the new untradeable weapons/armors ?

[essiw]

best month ever :) Just hoping the smithing update is better then what they are saying... I was hoping that smithing would become my fav skill again... (dungeoneering, summoning are above it, slayer as equal)

[Danqazmlp]

Personally no I don't. Herblore has turned into a horrible skill which for the ultra high levels has improved the game, but for those under those levels has almost ruined some aspects. They have become imbalanced in Mhing (not going to get into the whole crashing debate) and made herblore incredibly expensive to train. It has, as with many things in runescape, made the rich richer and the poor comparably poorer. I could see a high level non-tradeable smithing update doing the same. Depending on the benefits, if we have anything go go on by the herblore update, it would make training it for your average joe even more painful than it already is.

 

Although compared to herblore it is easier to get the raw materials so DIY would be easier, it would still not help the majority of Runescape players, those who cannot afford to get 90+ in buyables at all.

 

I do not deny smithing needs a major overhaul, but making it like herblore would not be the way. This update however could be the overhaul it needs. If somehow it makes smithing cheaper to train and gives an alternative to standing at an anvil or a furnace for hours, making the higher level update in the future would be less painful than making it now. It's better for them to put the infrastructure in the game now than to wait until after.

 

Edit: To add as well, we don't know that this isn't the overhaul either. They don't explain what an ancient ceremonial sword will be or what the armour will be. For all we know, they could be parts you add to existing armour like people have explained. Add ceremonial armour plates onto existing armour? We just don't know. Judging it now is pointless as many people can and probably will change their opinion when the update rolls around.

You seem to be laboring under the impression that whether a player is high level or not is a matter of luck and not something players can control.

 

NOPE.

 

Please tell me where I say that.

 

High level in some skills can be influenced a lot by luck, I will say that. Getting yourself 99 prayer right now or 99 herblore right now requires a certain amount of luck either getting monster drops or stakes, getting lucky with price rises/changes. It isn't totally luck as a player can grind the pathetically low money making skills, but who would do that right?

[amp10388]

Personally no I don't. Herblore has turned into a horrible skill which for the ultra high levels has improved the game, but for those under those levels has almost ruined some aspects. They have become imbalanced in Mhing (not going to get into the whole crashing debate) and made herblore incredibly expensive to train. It has, as with many things in runescape, made the rich richer and the poor comparably poorer. I could see a high level non-tradeable smithing update doing the same. Depending on the benefits, if we have anything go go on by the herblore update, it would make training it for your average joe even more painful than it already is.

 

Although compared to herblore it is easier to get the raw materials so DIY would be easier, it would still not help the majority of Runescape players, those who cannot afford to get 90+ in buyables at all.

 

I do not deny smithing needs a major overhaul, but making it like herblore would not be the way. This update however could be the overhaul it needs. If somehow it makes smithing cheaper to train and gives an alternative to standing at an anvil or a furnace for hours, making the higher level update in the future would be less painful than making it now. It's better for them to put the infrastructure in the game now than to wait until after.

 

Edit: To add as well, we don't know that this isn't the overhaul either. They don't explain what an ancient ceremonial sword will be or what the armour will be. For all we know, they could be parts you add to existing armour like people have explained. Add ceremonial armour plates onto existing armour? We just don't know. Judging it now is pointless as many people can and probably will change their opinion when the update rolls around.

So you would rather have a cheaper skill with no REAL uses to a slightly more expensive skill with ACTUAL uses (and one that actually forces you to train the skill too)? I wouldn't say the Herb update ruined aspects of the game either...

[Jowah]

So I guess my money for 99 smithing was wasted because I was expecting untradeable 99 smithing armours that required 99 defense to wear :thumbdown:

Edited March 1, 2011 by jowa_dead

[Punitive_D]

If it increases the rate of unique drops on items like whip and d chain (on monsters that I already 2 or 3 hit), then I can't see myself using anything else for those.

A berserker ring increases your chance of receiving a whip or a dragon chain, too.

 

And well, i guess jagex just need a better PR department and some common sense.

 

I'll still use zerker for things that I have to pound to kill. But when I'm already killing as fast as I can check the drop pile, I'll use RoW. Another important variable will be where the teles take you. If they make it so that you can bank and get back to slaying quickly, then I'll definitely use that slot for RoW with some frequency.

[Blyaunte]

Hmm - they said the smithing update would follow closely behind today's EMIV -- I wonder if it will be a double-update week?

[UserOnRS]

Has anyone else thought about buying some silver ores in anticipation for the smithing update?

[Blyaunte]

So I guess my money for 99 smithing was wasted because I was expecting untradeable 99 smithing armours that required 99 defense to wear :thumbdown:

 

Look on the bright side -- you can make some seriously kick-ass Rune armour!

 

Oh, wait ... :unsure:

[bedman]

As usual I'm most excited about in other news. Dungeoneering gameplay improvements? Hells yeah. I want more stuff like right click quickcast create gatestone, quickswitch ring of kinship, right click pray now altar, etc. Those are the best updates.

I agree. I want "fix" year again :D

 

Really dissapointed by smithing update. All they seem to care about lately is to just allow people to get quick xp. Good gameplay > quick xp, jagex.

[Vex]

Dat quote tree

[hide]

Personally no I don't. Herblore has turned into a horrible skill which for the ultra high levels has improved the game, but for those under those levels has almost ruined some aspects. They have become imbalanced in Mhing (not going to get into the whole crashing debate) and made herblore incredibly expensive to train. It has, as with many things in runescape, made the rich richer and the poor comparably poorer. I could see a high level non-tradeable smithing update doing the same. Depending on the benefits, if we have anything go go on by the herblore update, it would make training it for your average joe even more painful than it already is.

 

Although compared to herblore it is easier to get the raw materials so DIY would be easier, it would still not help the majority of Runescape players, those who cannot afford to get 90+ in buyables at all.

 

I do not deny smithing needs a major overhaul, but making it like herblore would not be the way. This update however could be the overhaul it needs. If somehow it makes smithing cheaper to train and gives an alternative to standing at an anvil or a furnace for hours, making the higher level update in the future would be less painful than making it now. It's better for them to put the infrastructure in the game now than to wait until after.

 

Edit: To add as well, we don't know that this isn't the overhaul either. They don't explain what an ancient ceremonial sword will be or what the armour will be. For all we know, they could be parts you add to existing armour like people have explained. Add ceremonial armour plates onto existing armour? We just don't know. Judging it now is pointless as many people can and probably will change their opinion when the update rolls around.

You seem to be laboring under the impression that whether a player is high level or not is a matter of luck and not something players can control.

 

NOPE.

 

Please tell me where I say that.

 

High level in some skills can be influenced a lot by luck, I will say that. Getting yourself 99 prayer right now or 99 herblore right now requires a certain amount of luck either getting monster drops or stakes, getting lucky with price rises/changes. It isn't totally luck as a player can grind the pathetically low money making skills, but who would do that right?

[/hide]

 

Yes but there is a reason to get 95+ in both skills, there is no reason to get 95+ in smithing, thus not justifying the cost, even if it's currently half the gp/xp it's not an investment, it's a waste. By adding some form of tangible benefit, even if it doubled the cost of smithing, levelling it would be seen as further developing your character, ie making it stronger or as investing in items that improve your character in some form. Not, lololol dat skill cape.

 

The majority of players cannot afford the buyables, because they cannot be bothered. I have both Turmoil & access to Overloads and I have never Boss Hunted, Staked or Merched. If you cannot be bothered to put in the time for character development - Runescape is NOT the game for you, try a different, more casual MMO.

 

Some things take time and effort - deal with it.

[Obtaurian]

EW IV - Guaranteed useless quest. The addition of a character (finally) will not save the storyline.

 

Smithing update - IVY AND SAWMILL FOR SMITHING OMFG 4483gig4tige45r5utiwegft. Wow, they completely missed the mark. So many great ideas and all they could think of was "let's make smithing cheap1!!@!@" Great job, Jagex.

 

ROW update - sounds useless.

 

Troll updates - years late, but whatever.

 

A Clockwork Syringe - I love pirate quests, and this one actually sounds very interesting. I'm gonna get 76 thieving just in case.

 

Dungeoneering improvements - Obviously interested in this.

[Sir_Squab]

Quests are always fun imo :) Might need to train smithing/theiving a little for the pirate one. RoW looks nice, could be a new standard for boss monsters. Doesn't look as worth it for slayer though...

 

I'm really intested in the DG update. I can think of a lot of good ways to improve it, but they didn't mention a damn thing. Bind bank maybe? :D

 

Smithing update looks like a complete fail. Ooo, faster, cheaper way to train it....NO.

 

If your gonna give a faster, cheaper way to train something, give it to herblore or prayer. Because those are actually useful. (Not saying I actually apporve of really expensive and useful skills, just that expensive&useful > easy&useless.)

 

Hmm, IF Jagex has another smithing update planned that makes smithing USEFUL, THEN this smithing update could prove useful. But seriously, Jagex has seriously trolled us if this is the smithing update. Jagex needs to make skills useful THEN add better exp rates. I'd much rather have herblore's/prayer's expensive usefulness then the cheap uselessness of a variety of other skills. WC, fishing, firemaking, smithing, cooking, fletching...

 

Random though, one really good thing DG did to the game was make a lot of skills more useful, at least in DG itself. If an RS3 ever comes to being, Jagex should just start with DG and expand from there.

 

One thing is really irratating me as I read this thread though. People skimmed the update, read that it wasn't useful, then started trashing it. I'd just like to point out that this smithing update will presumably go all the way up into the 90+ range of useless training activities. For some reson, some people think the ceremonial swords are level 40. They START at level 70, and most likely go up quite a bit higher from there.

 

There's a specific set of drops that every monster that drops uncut gems can drop: sapphire, emerald, ruby, diamond, dragon med, shield left half, dragon spear, half keys. Those are the only drops that RoW currently affects.

 

A good test is asking if a gorak can drop it. If it can't, RoW won't help.

Sigh, i hate Ring of wealth. But now that you guys have corrected me, it deservs a update. But i still hate it for all discussion and thoughts i have put in trying to understand it. :mad:

 

I appreciate the correction.

 

RoW just went from something I NEVER used to something I will FREQUENTLY use.

And you know that it'll be useful because...? I seriously doubt it'll still become more useful than a trusty berserker, or the kind.

 

As for the other updates, what a way to let us down easy, ey? first they have an awesome month with free trade and wilderness(best update in years), and then they come up with all this ****. wow.

 

Says you. I think everything this month looks good except the smithing update.

[Dire_Wolf]

According to Runescape wiki there is Astral and Nature rooms in Quest area, meaning there will be another or two more Elemental quests. This Quest ended for me after 3rd quest. What a waste of time and rewards.

[1wngedangel]

Has anyone even stopped to consider that the smithing update might be a precursor to a high level smithing update in the future? Perhaps jagex wants future high level content to be more accessibly to players, and decided to introduce more ways to train it than blowing huge sums of money on addy plates, making ~50k exp/hr at caverns, or depending on other players in the blast furnace? They never said this was THE BIG HUGE HIGH LEVEL REVAMP, so maybe calm down and stop acting like the RSOF? Seriously, this community is so mature outside of these threads, its ridiculous to see everyone bashing an update that they know next to nothing about for reasons that don't even make sense when you stop and think for a minute. When jagex is about to release a revamp to smithing (just like for herblaw), they'll make it very obvious.

I see the smithing update as a much needed change of pace for training, and will personally use it as an opportunity to prepare for whatever future smithing content jagex releases.

[green9090]

Has anyone even stopped to consider that the smithing update might be a precursor to a high level smithing update in the future? Perhaps jagex wants future high level content to be more accessibly to players, and decided to introduce more ways to train it than blowing huge sums of money on addy plates, making ~50k exp/hr at caverns, or depending on other players in the blast furnace? They never said this was THE BIG HUGE HIGH LEVEL REVAMP, so maybe calm down and stop acting like the RSOF? Seriously, this community is so mature outside of these threads, its ridiculous to see everyone bashing an update that they know next to nothing about for reasons that don't even make sense when you stop and think for a minute. When jagex is about to release a revamp to smithing (just like for herblaw), they'll make it very obvious.

I see the smithing update as a much needed change of pace for training, and will personally use it as an opportunity to prepare for whatever future smithing content jagex releases.

The problem is that those of us who weren't too lazy to train the old way in preparation for the smithing "revamp" now have a significant amount of Jagex's spit in our faces.

[Jehosaphat]

Read the first line regarding the smithing update. Smiled.

Read further... now I am displeased.

Seriously? Just cheaper Smithing? And here I was hoping Smithing would actually be useful...

 

The RoW updates look interesting, if only for the reason that it's getting teleports.

 

Quests look... meh. Didn't much enjoy the pirate quest, and EW3 was only mildly amusing.

[Riemis]

 

The problem is that those of us who weren't too lazy to train the old way in preparation for the smithing "revamp" now have a significant amount of Jagex's spit in our faces.

Tell that to pures who got 99s before soul wars.

And people with high rc before the abbys.

And people with 99 ranged before chins.

And people with 99 thieving before pyramid plunder.

And people with 99 any_buyable before any_buyable-x

...

 

Updates happen, now wipe that spit out of your face and live with it.

[aspeeder]

They never said this was THE BIG HUGE HIGH LEVEL REVAMP, so maybe calm down and stop acting like the RSOF?

 

The Smithing skill will then be next in line to receive its long-awaited update.

 

This is going to be the smithing update that they have been talking about for OVER A YEAR, if they're going to be introducing more smithing content later on to make it actually useful they're either going to do the same thing and talk about it long before they release it, or surprise us out of nowhere after alienating the entire community that has been anticipating this rework. Unless they're hiding something I'm very disappointed, for all the time they had to think, develop, and balance an overhaul they made something that (From the looks of the BTS) took the same amount of development time as the Skills Bonanza.

[SwreeTak]

This seems to become a very interesting month. I look very much forward to the RoW update ^^. Perhaps it is time to use those dragonstones I have sitting in my bank...? :D

[Will H]

Has anyone even stopped to consider that the smithing update might be a precursor to a high level smithing update in the future? Perhaps jagex wants future high level content to be more accessibly to players, and decided to introduce more ways to train it than blowing huge sums of money on addy plates, making ~50k exp/hr at caverns, or depending on other players in the blast furnace? They never said this was THE BIG HUGE HIGH LEVEL REVAMP, so maybe calm down and stop acting like the RSOF? Seriously, this community is so mature outside of these threads, its ridiculous to see everyone bashing an update that they know next to nothing about for reasons that don't even make sense when you stop and think for a minute. When jagex is about to release a revamp to smithing (just like for herblaw), they'll make it very obvious.

I see the smithing update as a much needed change of pace for training, and will personally use it as an opportunity to prepare for whatever future smithing content jagex releases.

 

They are calling it a, and I quote, "long-awaited update". They think that this is what we were waiting for. They thought that this is what we thought the skill needed. If it was a precursor to a proper high level 'Smithing Update' that gives purpose to the skill, this wouldn't be the "long-awaited" one, would it?