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Return of the wildy/free trade-do you regret your vote?

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Voted yes.

 

Au revoir manipulation clans, au revoir bought out items, HELLO PKing and FREE trade.

 

Do not regret anything.


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I am shocked at the ratio of no voters to yes voters posting on this thread. I knew there would be more than 10% no voters, but its probably close to 60% no's and 40% yes on this thread atm. Then again, "I told you so" is a lot easier to post about.

 

I think it is important to distinguish between botting and rwt as well. Many players are using the argument that both existed pre-free trade. That is true, but the extent to which they existed is incomparable. It is like saying "well there was ice before the ice age, so its not all that different".

 

Pre free trade, the majority of bots were operated by people seeking to gain levels but too lazy to train themselves. Now, the vast majority of bots are operated by people seeking to gain real life profit by farming gold and selling it. This is a huge change. But the actually RWT is a completely separate issue from botting, although they are tied because bots are essential to many RWTers.

 

Therefore, because it is evident jagex is not able to combat botters, they must turn to stopping RWT, which in turn, will cause bots to disappear. This was the case in 2007 with the initial update. But the problem now is, they are likely benefiting from RWT financially. They evidently got better lawyers to take care of the legal issues present with RWT and now they mostly enjoy the benefits of hundreds of thousands of new member accounts which are botted on. So I do not see them making any significant efforts to stop RWTing at this time, which is sad, although, because they are a after all a company, understandable.

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I voted Yes, bots are the same as manipulation clans to me. So either system had their own flaws.


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Voted no and I'm still strongly against it. It completely ruined Slayer for me, though on the positive side it did make Prayer pots cheaper. But it's almost impossible to make any profit from power-slaying now with the most expensive Slayer drop at ~1.5m. >.>

 

Then of course there's the bots and overall the upcoming death of RuneScape. Nice decision by Jagex.



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Just use these hide tags :lol:

 

But anyways alt healing is mainly members but members control the market. Plus members fish dropped too and lobsters couldnt rise otherwise it would create a niche market of cheap healing bring up prices, just too many factors at play to allow that

I'm guessing bots are a big part of that, but member food prices could also have dropped because food is outclassed/useless at higher levels, and higher leveled players are the ones that control the market. Why do you need an inventory of sharks when you can use a unicorn, ~30m gets you an SGS, you've got (E)EE providing all the healing you need, or, hell, even bunyips. Plus, when was the last time that a slayer enemy was damgerous enough that you really needed food? Power creep's got quite a bit to do with it.

Lower levels get cheap food for the same effect, though nowadays sharks are that food instead of, say, monkfish.

 

F2P food was just made a lot easier to get, which benefits both free players and bots who want to farm these resources. There's a guy that notes your lobster for you on the Karamja dock, right? That makes it easier for bots, but also players, and the only people that buy lobsters are in F2P. I'm guessing lower leveled members could use them for cheap training food or for cooking training, but that's about it. Raw food's always been more valuable than cooked food; there's a huge amount of players that want their levels higher, but only so many people at a time need healing, especially in f2p. Rune is more than enough for most enemies.

 

I did vote 'no', though. I'd have been happy with it if I knew that they made some effort with the problems that caused them to remove it in the first place, but even then it was clear that they hadn't. Of course, that's irrelevant to the bulk of this post :mrgreen:

 

bots are a major reason but look at the trend lines, the fall started during restricted trade well before anyone had any idea that it was ending. So no one should use fish prices as a reason to support restricted trade was my point

 

 

 

 

Voted no and I'm still strongly against it. It completely ruined Slayer for me, though on the positive side it did make Prayer pots cheaper. But it's almost impossible to make any profit from power-slaying now with the most expensive Slayer drop at ~1.5m. >.>

 

Then of course there's the bots and overall the upcoming death of RuneScape. Nice decision by Jagex.

 

Artificially high whip/d boot prices due to them getting deleted on deaths in the wilderness is why it is crappy money now. Bots do impact it but not as much as you would expect

 

 

 

I am shocked at the ratio of no voters to yes voters posting on this thread. I knew there would be more than 10% no voters, but its probably close to 60% no's and 40% yes on this thread atm. Then again, "I told you so" is a lot easier to post about.

 

Tip.it has always had an extremely zealous anti-bot group. Everything being said here is rehashed versions of what they were saying during the votes (now just in past/present tense). Even during the votes there was a 60% that were saying no here.

 

Just the crowd that uses this site is different then the average scaper. Most of the people if given another chance to vote would still vote yes.

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Crashed items due to bots is better than a broken GE system that's controlled by manip clans where it's near-impossible to buy/sell certain items, for me at least.

 

In f2p, the old wild system doesn't benefit me as much as the BH drop system, though. Unless I go kill rune miners.

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Hell to the no. There are no words to describe how much I disliked the no wildy/no free trade thing. Even if there are now a ton of bots, I'd prefer this to the latter.

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I don't regret my no-vote. But what really disappoints me, is the attitude of players these days, a lot of them just bot for the levels, for the money, for the items. Where was the joy in just playing? Ingame, I'm getting laughed at because I play just for fun, and that I am not an efficiency nub. It saddens me a lot.

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I don't regret my no-vote. But what really disappoints me, is the attitude of players these days, a lot of them just bot for the levels, for the money, for the items. Where was the joy in just playing? Ingame, I'm getting laughed at because I play just for fun, and that I am not an efficiency nub. It saddens me a lot.

implying this wasn't the case during restricted trade

 

 

let ruin key aspects of the game for everyone because you think that it makes people care more about efficiency, makes perfect sense :rolleyes:

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No, my second sentence was just my major problem with this game, along with the way Jagex handles the game now. It doesn't have to do with this discussion, but I just had to say it. :)

 

But in my opinion, RS is now more ruined than during the restricted stade.

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The bots block the seaview from my appartement.

 

And now serious,

the bots are really a nuisance, they wreck the whole economy, spoil our resources, spam the game and private chat. Gold selling, hacking, it all has returned to a scale you cannot describe. Jagex can in no way handle the problem, their promise was just a greedy lie.

Another issue, a lot smaller: the ambushes from pkers while doing things like wildy agility course, or the penguins, or the rune rocks, clues,... are a real pain. I am a player from 2002 and I do remember how it was in those days, before restricted trade, but I preferred it that players that didn't wanted to get involved with PK'ing, could stay save from the PKers.

I simply don't PK, nor merchant, nor stake, so I couldn't care less about the restrictions.

 

I know you are going to respond to this with the same stuff all over again, like you did to almost everyone who voted "no", but I stand by my opinion, the bot problem is way more bigger than it was a year ago, and if you keep saying otherwise, there's something wrong with your eyes.

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I voted against it, so no. I knew exactly what would happen.

 

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voted for it and don't regret it in anyway


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I haven't slayed since the return of free trade since the skill gives little to no profit now... So yes/no, pking has its up/downsides and free trade is nice (especially on my birthday ^^) but I find it hard to stick to one thing now... I used to slay constantly, now I'm always bored.


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The bots block the seaview from my appartement.

 

And now serious,

the bots are really a nuisance, they wreck the whole economy, spoil our resources, spam the game and private chat. Gold selling, hacking, it all has returned to a scale you cannot describe. Jagex can in no way handle the problem, their promise was just a greedy lie.

Another issue, a lot smaller: the ambushes from pkers while doing things like wildy agility course, or the penguins, or the rune rocks, clues,... are a real pain. I am a player from 2002 and I do remember how it was in those days, before restricted trade, but I preferred it that players that didn't wanted to get involved with PK'ing, could stay save from the PKers.

I simply don't PK, nor merchant, nor stake, so I couldn't care less about the restrictions.

 

I know you are going to respond to this with the same stuff all over again, like you did to almost everyone who voted "no", but I stand by my opinion, the bot problem is way more bigger than it was a year ago, and if you keep saying otherwise, there's something wrong with your eyes.

 

Absolutely bots are a serious problem that wont be fixed by a restricted economy.

 

The prices of raw mats are held in check by a lot of other forces then bots, such as fish for reasons I already explained, yews by alch prices, etc. etc. etc. Even without bots most of those would be terrible money makers still.

 

But Jagex said bots will become more of a hassle should you vote yet but we can handle them. That doesnt mean stop them that means they planned on not letting stolen credit cards fly. Regardless as what was already said bots were here in force with restricted trade just worse now.

 

The wilderness is meant to be dangerous, you are welcome to read my replies to Jaffy who I spent a great deal of time explaining this to already, just cause Jagex failed to make it dangerous with Rev's doesnt mean it should be seen as safe.

 

I dont deny that bots are a problem I just remember the crap I dealed with, with restricted trade and think its worse then bots who were a major problem in restricted trade regardless. Besides other problems have since been solved, remember when it was all the rage to hate pvp inflation?

 

 

Really you aren't giving good reasons to justify taking things away from everyone is my point and what im trying to get to people who wish they voted no or proud they did. Bots arent a good reason because right now its like adding dirt to a mountain, things are worse now but it was always bad. And you get the selfish people who want their own ease (safe wilderness) to superscede how the game was meant to be.

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bots are a major reason but look at the trend lines, the fall started during restricted trade well before anyone had any idea that it was ending. So no one should use fish prices as a reason to support restricted trade was my point

Actually, the fall started the week of January 21st, which was quite a while after the referendum was announced, for Sharks at least.

Given the history of bots and shark prices, it isn't unreasonable to suggest that bots were a factor in the massive decline of the price (Sharks were stable at around 1k ea in 2006, until the peak of the bot problem, when they sunk to 600 ea. This happened to other resources, such as feathers and dragon bones, as well). It is unreasonable to suggest that they were the only factor. There's the previously mentioned power creep and the lack of demand; they aren't the best food anymore, and food isn't the best for healing.

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bots are a major reason but look at the trend lines, the fall started during restricted trade well before anyone had any idea that it was ending. So no one should use fish prices as a reason to support restricted trade was my point

Actually, the fall started the week of January 21st, which was quite a while after the referendum was announced, for Sharks at least.

Given the history of bots and shark prices, it isn't unreasonable to suggest that bots were a factor in the massive decline of the price (Sharks were stable at around 1k ea in 2006, until the peak of the bot problem, when they sunk to 600 ea. This happened to other resources, such as feathers and dragon bones, as well). It is unreasonable to suggest that they were the only factor. There's the previously mentioned power creep and the lack of demand; they aren't the best food anymore, and food isn't the best for healing.

Dude, this is TIF. Are you really suggesting that something about the economy or infact anything about the game isn't down to bots and botting and think you are going to get away with it? PFFFT silly rabbit.


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Dude, this is TIF. Are you really suggesting that something about the economy or infact anything about the game isn't down to bots and botting and think you are going to get away with it? PFFFT silly rabbit.

Oh, if that's the case, then yeah, bots did everything. Bots did the economy. Bots killed Andrew Gower. Bots were behind 9/11. Bots were behind Hitler. Bots steal children in the middle of the night to feed to an evil dragon that lives in Tuscany. Bots are the reason that Nintendo hasn't released the last three Pokemon yet.

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bots are a major reason but look at the trend lines, the fall started during restricted trade well before anyone had any idea that it was ending. So no one should use fish prices as a reason to support restricted trade was my point

Actually, the fall started the week of January 21st, which was quite a while after the referendum was announced, for Sharks at least.

Given the history of bots and shark prices, it isn't unreasonable to suggest that bots were a factor in the massive decline of the price (Sharks were stable at around 1k ea in 2006, until the peak of the bot problem, when they sunk to 600 ea. This happened to other resources, such as feathers and dragon bones, as well). It is unreasonable to suggest that they were the only factor. There's the previously mentioned power creep and the lack of demand; they aren't the best food anymore, and food isn't the best for healing.

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Follow the same pattern as lobsters actually.

 

This is due to the fish market being tied to each other. Bots do play a part but they were there during restricted trade anyways as shown by the drop happening before any indication that restricted trade was ending was known.

 

I listed all the reasons why this happened and bots are just one of many. Read my previous post on this subject as I dont feel like explaining all the reasons again when it was posted only a page ago.

 

 

edit: The whole fish market followed this trend during restricted trade because of the summer effect/bank in f2p/bots/gold supply lowered/expanded use of alternative healing

 

 

 

Also since sharks are no longer the top of the line fish they are tied to lower fish prices. Top fish have a different trend.

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That isnt tied to bots

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I voted for "I don't care," and, lo and behold, I still don't care. Except for the increased legions of bots. Those I care about, but didn't think would come back in the masses they did. How naive of me.

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I voted yes and I regret it, slightly.

 

I regret it because I have visited the heavily botted areas like black demons, green dragons, etc. I regret it because seeing people scammed and hacked and phished is not something you want to see in the game you play. I, however, enjoy the chance to double your bank with one fight in the Duel Arena, or go kill some noobs in the Wilderness, or give a gift to a good friend. There are pros and cons to both sides, but I think the pros of FT/W outweigh the cons.


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I was against the return but for selfish reasons: I don't pk, or need free trade. Spammers and scammers don't really bother me, however, I think the amount of bots is a fault of Jagex dropping the ball more than reintroducing free trade. The majority of bots now aren't doing it for the purpose of real-world trading, they are just players cheating for higher levels and gold, which bothers me even more than the old bots.


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I voted for it not knowing that they would remove the PVP worlds. I regret that decision because PVP worlds with a real loot system is much better than the wilderness we have now. I also didn't know that brawlers would become extinct, and the same with PVP gear. Even despite these shortcomings due to Jagex's lack of transparency, I do not regret my decision because I believe it will do more good than bad. In the future I might start dunging for leechers for money, and this would not be possible without free trade.


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