Carl Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 I'll accept anything as long as it's not nothing. Get rid of a lot of the bots would be satistfying, even if there's still some left. But I'm positive, and expect it to work to get rid of 98%. RIP Michaelangelopolous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utopia Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 I'll accept anything as long as it's not nothing. Get rid of a lot of the bots would be satistfying, even if there's still some left. But I'm positive, and expect it to work to get rid of 98%. Getting rid of them as in banning them? I'd be fine if they just made the common types of botting impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blyaunte Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 I'll accept anything as long as it's not nothing. Get rid of a lot of the bots would be satistfying, even if there's still some left. But I'm positive, and expect it to work to get rid of 98%. So -- you would accept, say, the elimination of 25% of the bots (say ess miners and soceress's garden bots), a roll back of all their skills and no bannings whatsoever? That's "something" and not "nothing", right? :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saradomin_Mage Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Even if they didn't rollback/ban bots who've been at this for a while, but somehow just make it impossible for the reflection and injection bots to function, I'd be happy. In real life MMO you don't get 99 smithing by making endless bronze daggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 I'll accept anything as long as it's not nothing. Get rid of a lot of the bots would be satistfying, even if there's still some left. But I'm positive, and expect it to work to get rid of 98%. So -- you would accept, say, the elimination of 25% of the bots (say ess miners and soceress's garden bots), a roll back of all their skills and no bannings whatsoever? That's "something" and not "nothing", right? :unsure: If they've been gathering names for a while now, I'd expect they'll throw out a fair few bans or entire roll-backs, considering they'll be unable to bot any of their levels again. I don't know, Blyaunte. At this point I'd be happy with anything. Bots have never actually directly effected me (I spend all of my time bank standing in Edgeville), but I know they bother a lot of other people - and any kind of removal of them will be beneficial. And no, I think I'd rather essence bots and sorcerers garden bots as opposed to bots killing common monsters that real players kill for money. RIP Michaelangelopolous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaida23 Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 But, here's a question for you (or anyone else who wants to answer it) -- at what level will you accept Clusterflutterer to be a "success"? Only if it manages to eliminate 98% of all bots AND these accounts and all correlated accounts are permanently banned? Are you willing to accept less and just appreciate the effort? :unsure:I'm willing to accept less than 98% elimination (although that would be awesome if they can achieve it), but not rollbacks. They need to show that they are truly serious about botting and bring back perma bans for all infractions. The rollbacks were a horrible idea and were simply a step towards validating bots in the game. A strong stance, without wavering, will go a long way towards resorting the players' faith in Jagex. Check out my blog to read the Adventures of a Big Damn (F2P) Hero. THE place for all free players to connect, hang out and talk about how awesome it is to be F2P. So, Kaida is the real version of every fictional science-badass? That explains a lot, actually... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NukeMarine Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 3. Lots and lots of people realizing their 9 year old cousin botted on their main account over the summer while they were away helping the orphans in Africa. Expect lots of threads pointing out this injustice. Ok -- I LOL'd IRL ... :lol: But, here's a question for you (or anyone else who wants to answer it) -- at what level will you accept Clusterflutterer to be a "success"? Only if it manages to eliminate 98% of all bots AND these accounts and all correlated accounts are permanently banned? Are you willing to accept less and just appreciate the effort? :unsure:Right now, Jagex says that the changes will stop 98% of the current bots. Now, assuming they're honest after the fact, that should mean around 100,000 bots active at any one time. Again, I assume that's the number of bots messed up after each update only this time they stay messed up. If it's not near 100k, then I'd consider it a failure. Now, how they treat those that they've identified is another tale. I don't mind rollbacks cause it does the same as banning and starting a new character for most. That's assuming they're just botting for levels and not gold farming for RWT. Learn how to Learn Japanese on your own - Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners in JapaneseStop Forgetting Stuff for College and Life - Anki - a program which makes remembering things easyReach Elite Fitness - CrossFit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonanananas Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Still, good thing I havent used my current Pengu points. What to spend 60+ on...I thought the most penguin points you can have is 50? I think Tim thinks that his current points will get doubled....he has 30 or so of them now, and believes that will turn into 60 - which is wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saradomin_Mage Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 They're really, really confident of this.Also, if this is correctly timed, they're be 11 hours of bonus Slayer XP. In real life MMO you don't get 99 smithing by making endless bronze daggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amonitas Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 I noticed that too =/They are really, really, really confident. This is it, if it fails, the game dies, if it works, another golden age of rs should begin :D Quest cape since 11th July 99 Farming 4th February 99 Cooking 31st August Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirschen Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 They're really, really confident of this.Also, if this is correctly timed, they're be 11 hours of bonus Slayer XP. I like how exaggerated they're going to take things. Maybe I should be less skeptical if they're willing to jump from a high point on the cliff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaida23 Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 I noticed that too =/They are really, really, really confident. This is it, if it fails, the game dies, if it works, another golden age of rs should begin :DMaybe that's what the Golden Scythe is for - to commemorate the deaths of tens of thousands of bots. :lol: Check out my blog to read the Adventures of a Big Damn (F2P) Hero. THE place for all free players to connect, hang out and talk about how awesome it is to be F2P. So, Kaida is the real version of every fictional science-badass? That explains a lot, actually... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Highly possible, Kaida. Considering it's halloween and the Grim Reaper's about. The deaths of thousands would suit the scythe. RIP Michaelangelopolous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NukeMarine Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 They're really, really confident of this.Also, if this is correctly timed, they're be 11 hours of bonus Slayer XP.Wow, I see this and wonder if Jagex is growing a serious pair. What Jagex is telling all the bot makers (nsfw).. Yeah, Jagex saying "Not only are we doubling and tripling all this experience, you can't do a damn thing to bot it." Now I want to see them pull it off in a real way. This week will tell all. Learn how to Learn Japanese on your own - Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners in JapaneseStop Forgetting Stuff for College and Life - Anki - a program which makes remembering things easyReach Elite Fitness - CrossFit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevensda Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 if this does happen (i dont think it will work as well at they are saying, 98% is a big number) i might come back and play again, would only play pure f2p though, dont want to spend more money on rs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Well most bots you see are Reflection/Injection bots, so why wouldn't it work as well as they are saying? RIP Michaelangelopolous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris5000 Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Suppose it'd be nice seeing 55K users 100% of the time.~300 Users per world, not bad. We can claim w99 as finally ours (again) Luck be a Lady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merre Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Well tbh I would be terribly happy if they just got rid of the bots that annoy everyone. The bots designed to make fast gp and thus to be sold for real life cash.The goldfarming companies are the big enemy here. I couldn't care less about the kids who bot for XP because they're too lazy to grind it manually.Someone who runs a dungeoneering bot 24hrs a day doesn't bother me since he doesn't crash my spot and he doesn't immediately mess with the ge prices.The second the dungeoneering botter swaps to a frost dragon botter that becomes a threat to us because he has influence of the ge price of frost drag bones, visage etc...I just think Jagex will focus on the autotypers and the RW-Traders. At least that's what I hope... If the goldselling companies can't bot anymore it would be a relief to play again imo For the rest: I just hope they can stop all bot scripts for as long as possible. Nobody botting would be the best thing, but if I'm realistic I'd be happy when all the iLLii11Li and dsfd45sdgfg1 players are gone :) 2016 goals: all skills +30mil xp - Completed this goal 11th December 2016 2017 goals: get at least 3 more master capes (start xp: invention done@21st Jan, mining done@2nd April & ranged 76/104mil done@June 20th) & all skills +40mil xp (done 24th August) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blyaunte Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 I'm willing to accept less than 98% elimination (although that would be awesome if they can achieve it), but not rollbacks. They need to show that they are truly serious about botting and bring back perma bans for all infractions. The rollbacks were a horrible idea and were simply a step towards validating bots in the game. A strong stance, without wavering, will go a long way towards resorting the players' faith in Jagex. Frankly I think ^THIS^ is pretty much the answer I'm most willing to accept. :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Blyaunte, Kaida: I get what you're both talking about. But isn't a roll-back (A good roll-back), not just essentially the same as a ban? The players stats that they cheated to gain, were completely restored to their original levels? I think a rollback might keep these people playing, but an all-out permanent ban won't. Granted these people have broken rules, but that's been punished. It means their friends lists, etc. aren't completely lost. Things they did earn legitimately, aren't lost. I'm not for rollbacks, but I think if it doesn't drive more people away from the game then it's a satisfactory replacement for a permanent ban - IMHO. RIP Michaelangelopolous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blyaunte Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Blyaunte, Kaida: I get what you're both talking about. But isn't a roll-back (A good roll-back), not just essentially the same as a ban? The players stats that they cheated to gain, were completely restored to their original levels? I think a rollback might keep these people playing, but an all-out permanent ban won't. Granted these people have broken rules, but that's been punished. It means their friends lists, etc. aren't completely lost. Things they did earn legitimately, aren't lost. I'm not for rollbacks, but I think if it doesn't drive more people away from the game then it's a satisfactory replacement for a permanent ban - IMHO. Thing is – Jagex has indicated that they're going to "TARGET" 98% of the bots and that they have "detected and banned over 1.5 million botting and gold-farming accounts" ... Frankly – I have not seen any reduction in botting yet – and it's been discussed here that the alleged 1.5 million +/- accounts in question have been merely "tagged" for banning once "Clusterflutterer" comes into effect. I worry that I may be "reading into this" more than actually is being said here. On the face of it, it appears that a very grand promise is being made, but it's been worded in some double-speak that makes it possible for Jagex to weasel out of these broad claims. ... and yes, I know that they cannot offer solid guarantees ... I mean, really, nothing's 100%, right? I just have to wonder if they actually genuinely honest-to–goodnessly mean what appears to be said here: i.e. that they're going to "target" 98% of the bots and BAN those 1.5 million accounts – or whether they're going to [kitty]foot around like they usually do, not actually eliminate anything whatsoever, let a percentage of the bots continue unabated, and simply rollback those 1.5 million accounts, or at least whatever percentage of those are P2P ... Damn – it sucks being pessimistic ... <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essiw Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 (edited) Blyaunte, Kaida: I get what you're both talking about. But isn't a roll-back (A good roll-back), not just essentially the same as a ban? The players stats that they cheated to gain, were completely restored to their original levels? I think a rollback might keep these people playing, but an all-out permanent ban won't. Granted these people have broken rules, but that's been punished. It means their friends lists, etc. aren't completely lost. Things they did earn legitimately, aren't lost. I'm not for rollbacks, but I think if it doesn't drive more people away from the game then it's a satisfactory replacement for a permanent ban - IMHO. Thing is – Jagex has indicated that they're going to "TARGET" 98% of the bots and that they have "detected and banned over 1.5 million botting and gold-farming accounts" ... Frankly – I have not seen any reduction in botting yet – and it's been discussed here that the alleged 1.5 million +/- accounts in question have been merely "tagged" for banning once "Clusterflutterer" comes into effect. I worry that I may be "reading into this" more than actually is being said here. On the face of it, it appears that a very grand promise is being made, but it's been worded in some double-speak that makes it possible for Jagex to weasel out of these broad claims. ... and yes, I know that they cannot offer solid guarantees ... I mean, really, nothing's 100%, right? I just have to wonder if they actually genuinely honest-to–goodnessly mean what appears to be said here: i.e. that, if they're going to "target" 98% of the bots and BAN those 1.5 million accounts – or whether they're going to [kitty]foot around like they usually do, not actually eliminate anything whatsoever, let a percentage of the bots continue unabated, and simply rollback those 1.5 million accounts, or at least whatever percentage of those are P2P ... Damn – it sucks being pessimistic ... <_<Hate to say this three times... I have seen numbers of my fishing ranks gone up by 300k ranks and my magic rank increasing dramatically (at least 400k), so that is already 700k bots busted only by bots being higher JUST LOOK: http://runetracker.org/track-wissie,11,2 http://runetracker.org/track-wissie,7,2 (it is bugged because if you are not in the highscores you are rank 0 so that is why it decreased 1,6mil instead of increasing 400k). So there is the proof of at least half of the 1,5mil. Edited October 24, 2011 by essiw http://sign.tip.it/1/2/79/260/essiw.png Retired item crew I would like to be credited as essiw at the website update & corrections forum. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leoo Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out, but I'm sure there will be some way around it for the scripters? Although I have no idea how botting software is programmed and what the update is going to do, but I'm just thinking positive. Hopefully raw materials will become much more profitable again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Well I presume they've collected the names and will ban them. Someone posted on the forum about them having warned these people and that they would stop when they saw the warning, and not end up getting punished. A jmod replied "Don't worry, we've got that covered." RIP Michaelangelopolous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NukeMarine Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Hate to say this three times... I have seen numbers of my mining ranks gone up by 300k ranks and my magic rank increasing dramatically (at least 400k), so that is already 700k bots busted only by bots being higher JUST LOOK: http://runetracker.org/track-wissie,11,2 http://runetracker.org/track-wissie,7,2 (it is bugged because if you are not in the highscores you are rank 0 so that is why it decreased 1,6mil instead of increasing 400k). So there is the proof of at least half of the 1,5mil. Well, you have to assume many of those accounts had both magic and mining, so you can't just add the two numbers together. It's still a big number that points toward active action on Jagex's part. Banning of gold farmers and RWT is fine by me. Doing rollbacks on accounts that appear to be for actually playing the game is also fine by me. Real people react to getting spanked like that, gold farmers wouldn't blink at a ban much less a rollback. Learn how to Learn Japanese on your own - Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners in JapaneseStop Forgetting Stuff for College and Life - Anki - a program which makes remembering things easyReach Elite Fitness - CrossFit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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