2007 - Old School RuneScape... You Vote! - [It's Here!]

[Demoli]

Before drygore was released, combat was perfectly balanced. Once tier 90 weapons for ranged and magic get released, combat will be completely balanced again.

 

before EoC, the combat was the most horrible broken mess of any game i have ever played. Melee was horridly overpowered with only Whip and later on Rapiers being viable, because if you used anything else, you'd be outmatched, and isnce the game was primarily click n wait with potions and food spiced, skill wouldn't influence as much.

 

Saying pre-Eoc was more balanced than EoC is a pure, ignorant lie.

[Estoc]

Jagex is finnaly listening to its REAL fan base. There a massive company. They know what they are doing and they will get back to their prime. Stop being so delusional.

 

The real fan base of which you are included? You who take the role of some kind of freedom fighter telling people to rebel against Jagex and not to re-subscribe with the goal of forcing them to spend money to satisfy your whim? Far from a fan, you and your group are more a thorn in Jagex's side who will bar the way of progress in order to achieve their own ends.

 

If people do not like the game anymore (because of a specific update such as the EoC, or a multitude of updates over a period of time), they are perfectly within their rights to unsubscribe and to express the reasons for which they did so. If enough people do this, clealry Jagex has done something wrong and they will lose profit, as they should, for not catering to the demands of their playerbase. There is nothing wrong with them spending money to satisfy a large number of players, it's called 'listening'.

Just because you detest the EoC or other updates does not make you a 'thorn in the side of Jagex'. We want the game as it was at a given point in the past, we will make that known and if Jagex think they can make some money from it (which they clearly can), they will do it. Everyone's happy. You seem to treat the wants of everyone that is not satisfied as somehow invalid - they are not invalid.

 

A 2007 server is unique because it only caters to players who have played since 2007. The target audience can never grow, and the driving force behind the update is nostalgia. So, we are being asked if we want to fund an experiment aimed at a small, dwindling portion of the player base known for never being satisfied with change and general hell raising if things aren't perfect. At the heart of this endeavor is an emotion(?) well known for making things past seem better then they are. What does this mean? To me it seems like a terrible idea doomed to failure, and until I see proof (someone from Jagex showing me real numbers) I will not vote yes.

[V O R K]

If I was male i'd get a boner if I saw that dds spec again.

 

that's how bad I liked it :sad:

 

Also if tier 9 magic and ranged weapons get released then weaknesses no longer matter. As seen with drygore.

[jayc3399]

It actually gets you 2 months free, one for your main and one for your burn account. I still see no point in doing this, because yet again, you give Jagex a false representation of the level of interest in the game, and end up instead, just giving them more money. If you aren't going to subscribe to 07scape on both accounts, it'd be in your best interests as a "community" to not inflate the votes. You are still paying the full month covercharge to get your "free month"

 

This is the reason why I'd like to see a creation date requirement for voting. Let it be 1 month even. That way you get less "Rigged" votes.

 

Ideally it would even go back to 07 or older because then you get people who actually know what the game was not all the whiners who just want EoC gone.

They have the right to 'whine' its exactly what you're doing.

 

On a side not, The date creation would benifit the 2007 more than the reffer a friend.

 

First off I'm not whining, I'm pointing out the flaws in this. Second of all how on earth would having a creation date of 07 or older help you?

 

Don't understand why people are urging others who won't play to vote anyway. All that would do is allocate money and manpower into something that far fewer people are playing than voted for. It will create a community split in the same way RS2 did, except now we have so many more players it will be more obvious.

 

Like I said before, the only people I see who really should vote for this are pkers. People saying they want to start from scratch? Make a new account. People who want to be 100% self made? Make a new account. People who want a challenge? Make a new account and don't use lodestones, if they die don't look grave, don't use rest. Don't put selfishness over the integrity of the main game.

 

Some people want to help build a new economy, but now that we know exactly what to do and how to do it, that economy will soon mimic the current one on a much, much smaller scale. I guarantee that gambling will still be around. Why? Horses and Waterfall Quest for seeds.

 

And finally, stop guilting people into voting by saying they aren't real Runescapers or whatever bullshit rhetoric you come up with. The real Runescapers are the ones who have stood members (or who have stood playing if you are strictly f2p) all these years and didn't quit when things got tough. We didn't quit in 2007, we didn't quit in 2012, we are here now.

 

If it was simple as make a new account. Im sure people would. People love the Era its well balenced compared to live RS. I for one will preffer making a account there than one on the live anyday.

 

How can you say 07 was more balanced compared to live. It was melee wins all. That is the furthest thing from balanced.

 

You want true balance in this game, remove weakness and make all styles equal in damage output. 100% balanced and 100% personal choice driven.

 

When you talk of balence. Its not just combat. Its the game as an overall. Whilest it is melee driven... Mage and range does have a fighting chance.

 

Also im pointing out the flaws in your points. Same thing. They point out flaws in EoC same thing.

 

Like what was posted below, if you actually played back then you'd know that range and mage didn't have a chance to compete.

 

 

 

It actually gets you 2 months free, one for your main and one for your burn account. I still see no point in doing this, because yet again, you give Jagex a false representation of the level of interest in the game, and end up instead, just giving them more money. If you aren't going to subscribe to 07scape on both accounts, it'd be in your best interests as a "community" to not inflate the votes. You are still paying the full month covercharge to get your "free month"

 

This is the reason why I'd like to see a creation date requirement for voting. Let it be 1 month even. That way you get less "Rigged" votes.

 

Ideally it would even go back to 07 or older because then you get people who actually know what the game was not all the whiners who just want EoC gone.

They have the right to 'whine' its exactly what you're doing.

 

On a side not, The date creation would benifit the 2007 more than the reffer a friend.

 

First off I'm not whining, I'm pointing out the flaws in this. Second of all how on earth would having a creation date of 07 or older help you?

 

Don't understand why people are urging others who won't play to vote anyway. All that would do is allocate money and manpower into something that far fewer people are playing than voted for. It will create a community split in the same way RS2 did, except now we have so many more players it will be more obvious.

 

Like I said before, the only people I see who really should vote for this are pkers. People saying they want to start from scratch? Make a new account. People who want to be 100% self made? Make a new account. People who want a challenge? Make a new account and don't use lodestones, if they die don't look grave, don't use rest. Don't put selfishness over the integrity of the main game.

 

Some people want to help build a new economy, but now that we know exactly what to do and how to do it, that economy will soon mimic the current one on a much, much smaller scale. I guarantee that gambling will still be around. Why? Horses and Waterfall Quest for seeds.

 

And finally, stop guilting people into voting by saying they aren't real Runescapers or whatever bullshit rhetoric you come up with. The real Runescapers are the ones who have stood members (or who have stood playing if you are strictly f2p) all these years and didn't quit when things got tough. We didn't quit in 2007, we didn't quit in 2012, we are here now.

 

If it was simple as make a new account. Im sure people would. People love the Era its well balenced compared to live RS. I for one will preffer making a account there than one on the live anyday.

 

How can you say 07 was more balanced compared to live. It was melee wins all. That is the furthest thing from balanced.

 

You want true balance in this game, remove weakness and make all styles equal in damage output. 100% balanced and 100% personal choice driven.

 

When you talk of balence. Its not just combat. Its the game as an overall. Whilest it is melee driven... Mage and range does have a fighting chance.

 

Also im pointing out the flaws in your points. Same thing. They point out flaws in EoC same thing.

 

 

Until drygores got released, Melee was was more balanced with range/mage in EoC than pre-eoc. Yes Melee is crazy strong now, but when level 90 range and mage weapons get released, we will see more balance than we ever saw pre-eoc. If you tell me range and mage are viable alternatives to melee in 2007, you never really played in 2007. Melee had all the good armor and performed well in any type such as dhides. Melee had most of the best specials. Jagex themselves said the game was melee centered.

 

But we are talking about the rest of the game, right? Please tell me how the rest of the game was more balanced.

 

 

 

Jagex is finnaly listening to its REAL fan base. There a massive company. They know what they are doing and they will get back to their prime. Stop being so delusional.

 

The real fan base of which you are included? You who take the role of some kind of freedom fighter telling people to rebel against Jagex and not to re-subscribe with the goal of forcing them to spend money to satisfy your whim? Far from a fan, you and your group are more a thorn in Jagex's side who will bar the way of progress in order to achieve your own ends.

 

I have to agree with that. But I still think its good they are listening to the players for once. Wether you are for it or not. An induvidual is not the community. The fact people are selfishly torn between simple things that dont even effect eachother is crazy. No one really knows what the community wants untill Jagex puts the main spoken problems to the test.

 

The fact that you blatantly ignore how the could potentially effect the live game is laughable.

 

Hey oldschool pkers, prepare yourself, because i'm coming for your ass!

 

I sincerely hope this goes through, the PvP community was beautiful and along with the hybrid ways and specs. Oh boy the joys i'll have!

 

Vote yes!

 

Once again you do realize you will be starting at level 3 with nothing, and your going to be begging someone to get 85 slayer to camp for whips.

You won't be pking for a long long time. Unless you enjoyed the old days of <30combat mage pking.

 

 

Hey oldschool pkers, prepare yourself, because i'm coming for your ass!

 

I sincerely hope this goes through, the PvP community was beautiful and along with the hybrid ways and specs. Oh boy the joys i'll have!

 

Vote yes!

Probably the most logical voter base, the PvP community. The only reason I wouldn't mind if this passed is for you guys.

 

Logical and yet they can't be bothered to find out that the PvP that once existed won't be around.

 

 

 

 

 

Jagex is finnaly listening to its REAL fan base. There a massive company. They know what they are doing and they will get back to their prime. Stop being so delusional.

 

The real fan base of which you are included? You who take the role of some kind of freedom fighter telling people to rebel against Jagex and not to re-subscribe with the goal of forcing them to spend money to satisfy your whim? Far from a fan, you and your group are more a thorn in Jagex's side who will bar the way of progress in order to achieve their own ends.

 

If people do not like the game anymore (because of a specific update such as the EoC, or a multitude of updates over a period of time), they are perfectly within their rights to unsubscribe and to express the reasons for which they did so. If enough people do this, clealry Jagex has done something wrong and they will lose profit, as they should, for not catering to the demands of their playerbase. There is nothing wrong with them spending money to satisfy a large number of players, it's called 'listening'.

Just because you detest the EoC or other updates does not make you a 'thorn in the side of Jagex'. We want the game as it was at a given point in the past, we will make that known and if Jagex think they can make some money from it (which they clearly can), they will do it. Everyone's happy. You seem to treat the wants of everyone that is not satisfied as somehow invalid - they are not invalid.

 

A 2007 server is unique because it only caters to players who have played since 2007. The target audience can never grow, and the driving force behind the update is nostalgia. So, we are being asked if we want to fund an experiment aimed at a small, dwindling portion of the player base known for never being satisfied with change and general hell raising if things aren't perfect. At the heart of this endeavor is an emotion(?) well known for making things past seem better then they are. What does this mean? To me it seems like a terrible idea doomed to failure, and until I see proof (someone from Jagex showing me real numbers) I will not vote yes.

 

 

Unfortunately it will also cater to the people who go "Anything without the EoC will be ten bajillion times better then this, it doesn't matter what else we lose because EoC will be gone!"

[PolarBearBlue]

Guys we don't need these nay sayers vote. Tomorrow the real Scapers will vote back for the original Runescape..

 

I think it's a bit unfair to say those who disagree with you aren't real Scapers and that EoC isn't Runescape...it's the same game, owned by the same company. 2006scape, however, was not, and was infringing on copy right Jagex until now was too lazy to deal with.

 

Sir, we are just as real of a scaper a you. otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[Melo]

Before drygore was released, combat was perfectly balanced. Once tier 90 weapons for ranged and magic get released, combat will be completely balanced again.

 

before EoC, the combat was the most horrible broken mess of any game i have ever played. Melee was horridly overpowered with only Whip and later on Rapiers being viable, because if you used anything else, you'd be outmatched, and isnce the game was primarily click n wait with potions and food spiced, skill wouldn't influence as much.

 

Saying pre-Eoc was more balanced than EoC is a pure, ignorant lie.

I won't argue with that, since I haven't played since the release of EoC (so I assume you're right). However, what I am more concerned with is whether or not it feels like RS. Having an action bar full of abilities and several thousand hitpoints just doesn't feel right to me. It might to you, hence this post. RS2013 just seems like a WoW clone, which it definitely wasn't pre-EoC.

 

I'm going to throw this point out again. The only thing this should boil down to is how badly did you like old combat. If you are a skiller, there is no reason to vote or even play 2007scape.

In my opinion, skilling has been made obnoxiously easy in the past couple of years. But this is, as said, my opinion. Some people, like me, enjoy the grinding of (old) RS, and I would gladly pay money to have my options limited, but at the same time make my achievements "worth" more. I know you will probably point out that I can "just do use the old, slow methods, anyway", but this is not the same thing. "Achieving" something like 99 mining is no big deal anymore, thanks to LRC, but it was back when the fastest methods were iron ore dropping, or even Zarfot's granite/sandstone method.

[2007yesplease]

Read the rest of the thread, those questions have been answered over and over in depth. Also can you rephrase your main point? Right now it just seems you are arguing that EoC is a small thing that not many people use so it doesn't matter if it's gone. There are so many things wrong with that it is hard to start.

 

'Gone'. 'Nuff said.

[Thus]

Read the rest of the thread, those questions have been answered over and over in depth. Also can you rephrase your main point? Right now it just seems you are arguing that EoC is a small thing that not many people use so it doesn't matter if it's gone. There are so many things wrong with that it is hard to start.

 

'Gone'. 'Nuff said.

I don't follow.

[MioJJ]

Voting yes, As soon as the poll goes live im buying membership and voting and I know a good 10-12 other people that are going to be doing the same. Starting fresh is going to be the most exciting part. Reliving all the old f2p quests, Earning cash doing skills, spamming at a bank trying to get rid of all of your unwanted shit... Man, I know it's really nostalgia based and I'm not going to deny it probably will die after a year or two, but it will be fun again while it lasts. Even if we get 50k votes I'll be happy.

[Thus]

Voting yes, As soon as the poll goes live im buying membership and voting and I know a good 10-12 other people that are going to be doing the same. Starting fresh is going to be the most exciting part. Reliving all the old f2p quests, Earning cash doing skills, spamming at a bank trying to get rid of all of your unwanted shit... Man, I know it's really nostalgia based and I'm not going to deny it probably will die after a year or two, but it will be fun again while it lasts. Even if we get 50k votes I'll be happy.

But you could do that now! And there won't even be a market for any of that for months anyway. Everyone will be self made for a while until there is money to actually spend for bulk and a flowing market. I don't feel any of those sentiments are worth the money spent on old servers.

[2007yesplease]

EDIT: I like to mostly casually browse forum topics here, this is the only one that annoyed me so much I had to make an account and post. The arguments used for the most part miss the point spectacularly - such as 'I won't vote because there will be bots'.

 

No that's not why people wont vote. People are mentioning the fact that there will be bots in passing.

They've repeatedly said why they wont vote. And as you

like to mostly casually browse forum topics here, this is the only one that annoyed me so much I had to make an account and post.

you would have surely noticed their reasons. Take off your rose tinted spectacles.

 

Thus beat me to it

 

To people saying 'ermahgurd Jagex are bending to the wishes of whiners from 2007 @@@@@!!!1one!!!':

Large overstatement in attempt to make people who you disagree with look stupid, even though mostly everyone here has said their point, for both sides, for the most part logically.

 

I ask you to read the thread before responding.

 

Extrapolating at its finest.

I did not say that there won't be bots - there almost certainly will be. There are no rose tinted spectacles here. I know that the community will most likely not be the same as the one in 2007 (I do in fact remember many scammers, RWTing, bots back then). However, I know for a fact that the actual physical gameplay was more enjoyable for me in 2007 than post-EoC RuneScape. I have read this thread - please tell me where somebody addresses the point that this update is just the same as any other update that would not affect a large number of players?

[V O R K]

Ofcourse I realize i'll start at level 3 again, I don't see the issue? A dragon scim and dds will suffice or a rune scim and r2h.

 

The pvp that once existed won't be back? Nevermind then, don't care. How can you tell though... where does it speficially say so? I wouldn't know, I quit before 2007. Is it Bounty Hunter then? Do you have a source?

 

Thanks, jayc.

[2007yesplease]

Read the rest of the thread, those questions have been answered over and over in depth. Also can you rephrase your main point? Right now it just seems you are arguing that EoC is a small thing that not many people use so it doesn't matter if it's gone. There are so many things wrong with that it is hard to start.

 

'Gone'. 'Nuff said.

I don't follow.

You are aware that the EoC won't be removed, right?

[V O R K]

Before drygore was released, combat was perfectly balanced. Once tier 90 weapons for ranged and magic get released, combat will be completely balanced again.

 

before EoC, the combat was the most horrible broken mess of any game i have ever played. Melee was horridly overpowered with only Whip and later on Rapiers being viable, because if you used anything else, you'd be outmatched, and isnce the game was primarily click n wait with potions and food spiced, skill wouldn't influence as much.

 

Saying pre-Eoc was more balanced than EoC is a pure, ignorant lie.

I won't argue with that, since I haven't played since the release of EoC (so I assume you're right). However, what I am more concerned with is whether or not it feels like RS. Having an action bar full of abilities and several thousand hitpoints just doesn't feel right to me. It might to you, hence this post. RS2013 just seems like a WoW clone, which it definitely wasn't pre-EoC.

 

I'm going to throw this point out again. The only thing this should boil down to is how badly did you like old combat. If you are a skiller, there is no reason to vote or even play 2007scape.

In my opinion, skilling has been made obnoxiously easy in the past couple of years. But this is, as said, my opinion. Some people, like me, enjoy the grinding of (old) RS, and I would gladly pay money to have my options limited, but at the same time make my achievements "worth" more. I know you will probably point out that I can "just do use the old, slow methods, anyway", but this is not the same thing. "Achieving" something like 99 mining is no big deal anymore, thanks to LRC, but it was back when the fastest methods were iron ore dropping, or even Zarfot's granite/sandstone method.

 

Couldn't agree more. Easyscape.

[ilovecuttingyews]

Jagex is finnaly listening to its REAL fan base. There a massive company. They know what they are doing and they will get back to their prime. Stop being so delusional.

As I just said. The real fanbase isn't the ones that yell and scream and quit after updates but the ones that play through them.

 

There is no 'real' fan base. The group you side with doesn't become the 'real' fanbase by virtue of your presence.

While I agree with that premise, I feel that having been called a jagex fanboy no less than 739 times in debates such as this (removal of free trade, induction if eoc, etc) by much the same type of person that caused this rethinking (the proverbial squeeky wheel) allows me to call myself a member of the true fanbase.

[Tansuo]

[hide=]

EDIT: I like to mostly casually browse forum topics here, this is the only one that annoyed me so much I had to make an account and post. The arguments used for the most part miss the point spectacularly - such as 'I won't vote because there will be bots'.

 

No that's not why people wont vote. People are mentioning the fact that there will be bots in passing.

They've repeatedly said why they wont vote. And as you

like to mostly casually browse forum topics here, this is the only one that annoyed me so much I had to make an account and post.

you would have surely noticed their reasons. Take off your rose tinted spectacles.

 

Thus beat me to it

 

To people saying 'ermahgurd Jagex are bending to the wishes of whiners from 2007 @@@@@!!!1one!!!':

Large overstatement in attempt to make people who you disagree with look stupid, even though mostly everyone here has said their point, for both sides, for the most part logically.

 

I ask you to read the thread before responding.

 

Extrapolating at its finest.

[/hide]

I did not say that there won't be bots - there almost certainly will be. There are no rose tinted spectacles here. I know that the community will most likely not be the same as the one in 2007 (I do in fact remember many scammers, RWTing, bots back then). However, I know for a fact that the actual physical gameplay was more enjoyable for me in 2007 than post-EoC RuneScape. I have read this thread - please tell me where somebody addresses the point that this update is just the same as any other update that would not affect a large number of players?

 

No you completely miss the point YET AGAIN. Do you actually understand what these words even mean, because you're seemingly reading a completely different thread.

[jayc3399]

Ofcourse I realize i'll start at level 3 again, I don't see the issue? A dragon scim and dds will suffice or a rune scim and r2h.

 

The pvp that once existed won't be back? Nevermind then, don't care. How can you tell though... where does it speficially say so? I wouldn't know, I quit before 2007. Is it Bounty Hunter then? Do you have a source?

 

Thanks, jayc.

 

First, good luck getting a DDS, second I bet most people don't even know how to get those weapons, let alone want to skill for them.

 

And the PvP won't be the same because the people are different, you watch pking in recent years and teleing away and [bleep] fests run rampant. Its the community back then that made pking what it was, not how you did the pking.

[2007yesplease]

[hide]

EDIT: I like to mostly casually browse forum topics here, this is the only one that annoyed me so much I had to make an account and post. The arguments used for the most part miss the point spectacularly - such as 'I won't vote because there will be bots'.

 

No that's not why people wont vote. People are mentioning the fact that there will be bots in passing.

They've repeatedly said why they wont vote. And as you

like to mostly casually browse forum topics here, this is the only one that annoyed me so much I had to make an account and post.

you would have surely noticed their reasons. Take off your rose tinted spectacles.

 

Thus beat me to it

 

To people saying 'ermahgurd Jagex are bending to the wishes of whiners from 2007 @@@@@!!!1one!!!':

Large overstatement in attempt to make people who you disagree with look stupid, even though mostly everyone here has said their point, for both sides, for the most part logically.

 

I ask you to read the thread before responding.

 

Extrapolating at its finest.

[/hide]

I did not say that there won't be bots - there almost certainly will be. There are no rose tinted spectacles here. I know that the community will most likely not be the same as the one in 2007 (I do in fact remember many scammers, RWTing, bots back then). However, I know for a fact that the actual physical gameplay was more enjoyable for me in 2007 than post-EoC RuneScape. I have read this thread - please tell me where somebody addresses the point that this update is just the same as any other update that would not affect a large number of players?

 

No you completely miss the point YET AGAIN. Do you actually understand what these words even mean, because you're seemingly reading a completely different thread.

Clearly I have lost the ability to comprehend the written word, please explain which part is irrelevant?

[Kaida23]

I would gladly pay money to have my options limited, but at the same time make my achievements "worth" more.

There's currently a version of RS that has that, and you don't even have to pay for it. ;)

[V O R K]

Ofcourse I realize i'll start at level 3 again, I don't see the issue? A dragon scim and dds will suffice or a rune scim and r2h.

 

The pvp that once existed won't be back? Nevermind then, don't care. How can you tell though... where does it speficially say so? I wouldn't know, I quit before 2007. Is it Bounty Hunter then? Do you have a source?

 

Thanks, jayc.

 

First, good luck getting a DDS, second I bet most people don't even know how to get those weapons, let alone want to skill for them.

 

And the PvP won't be the same because the people are different, you watch pking in recent years and teleing away and [bleep] fests run rampant. Its the community back then that made pking what it was, not how you did the pking.

 

Yeah, I bet the players of 2007 and before don't know how to get a dds. The players that will truely be playing this will be pkers from that era... And if not I don't mind no honour pking, it's really how I did the pking else I would still be pking...

 

Derp, this comment made no sense, jayc.

[Tansuo]

http://www.howtoarguewithanidiot.com/

[Melo]

I would gladly pay money to have my options limited, but at the same time make my achievements "worth" more.

There's currently a version of RS that has that, and you don't even have to pay for it. ;)

You got me! No, but seriously, RSC is before my time, and doesn't have the same appeal to me because of this.

[jayc3399]

Ofcourse I realize i'll start at level 3 again, I don't see the issue? A dragon scim and dds will suffice or a rune scim and r2h.

 

The pvp that once existed won't be back? Nevermind then, don't care. How can you tell though... where does it speficially say so? I wouldn't know, I quit before 2007. Is it Bounty Hunter then? Do you have a source?

 

Thanks, jayc.

 

First, good luck getting a DDS, second I bet most people don't even know how to get those weapons, let alone want to skill for them.

 

And the PvP won't be the same because the people are different, you watch pking in recent years and teleing away and [bleep] fests run rampant. Its the community back then that made pking what it was, not how you did the pking.

 

Yeah, I bet the players of 2007 and before don't know how to get a dds. The players that will truely be playing this will be pkers from that era... And if not I don't mind no honour pking, it's really how I did the pking else I would still be pking...

 

Derp, this comment made no sense, jayc.

 

The majority of your fellow fanboys that will be on this server won't be pre 07 players, they will be people who don't like the EoC and are used to Dclaw and AGS rushing with vengence.

[V O R K]

Sounds like good loot to me!

[Nopenope]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q...ds in runescape