2007 - Old School RuneScape... You Vote! - [It's Here!]

[999134]

A lot of people need to go over themselves (this coming from me...)

 

It was fairly obvious that this is want Jagex wanted all along, as it is the most logical option that works out the best for everyone, less and the game would be stuck/be too unpopular to be really good, and more and you would have tons of bots everywhere from the f2p thing.

A lot of people enjoy 2007scape and don't care that much about Jagex, I also love how a lot of the people trying to tell everyone they are not having fun and should play eocscape instead, are people who complained when people told them how to play to get the best xp/hr.

 

I am not sure what people expected out of Jagex and this poll, should they have hidden the poll on a page you can only navigate to with a secret code given out only to the most hard core fans? It is amazing what people will complain about.

 

Also the point of pures to pk people risking higher gear I think is not going to work as well anymore, people just won't fight people risking less these days.

[Zerker_Jane]

You do have to hand it to Jagex. Their ability to generate hype and interest is probably unparalleled in the video game business.

 

Even though we knew already, this just confirms the whole poll was just a big fat farce of pointlessness.

 

I'd completely disagree, I think both Blizzard and Riot far outstrip anything Jagex has done on that level.

 

Needless to say I'm happy that there is no extra fee. I won't play EOC RS. I might stay subbed for 07. Not only because I like 07, but also because everything and everyone is starting over. I like that concept.

 

That's the one thing I hated about it lol, I'd love to already be a maxed zerker. Ah well, 1 def it is.

 

Surprised to hear that coming from you. I'm absolutely amazed at the number of 1 def pures in 07. They are in for a very rude awakening when the rune pures start effortlessly mopping the floors with them. It'll take a bit for the rune pures to develop, though.

 

I've been a zerker on and off since before actual 2007 lol I want to do something else :P, I don't want to create the exact build (minus 99 prayer) that I already have in EOC. Besides, I'll only be fighting other pures. If a zerker or main attacks me I'll just barrage and run. I might become a zerk at some point though when pure pking gets boring, I loved hitting 40s with whip back when hitting a 40 in the wildy meant you were a complete beast. 20 def maxes 39 with whip so I probably won't be going with 20 def.

[Yoko Kurama]

I'm glad that more and more people have raised the point that I brought up earlier elsewhere (for which I was instantly attacked) that the 1 month's trial period was basically a bribe.

 

We’ve been overjoyed by the enthusiasm and goodwill amongst the community since the start of the poll. There is clearly a super passionate group of RuneScapers who have shown that they are nostalgic for some Old School gameplay. As a gesture of our own goodwill and an aspiration for this newly established community to flourish and hopefully grow we will NOT be charging the additional $5 membership fee for at least the next 6 months!

 

Translation: We had always intended for this to be the outcome' date=' and as such the poll was a blatantly obvious farce. Furthermore, as an act of our benevolence, we have decided to graciously make it free for the 6 months; assuming it lasts that long we will be able to get 5$ monthly from all those suckers, and after the 6th month, only the hardcore base will remain which will have by that point made too much of an investment into the game to leave over the increased fees and we will able to milk them for 10-15$! Err, we meant we just love to listen to the community whenever it serves to increase our profit margin...err, just trying to bring back the childhood nostalgia/fun! Aren't we just [bleep']ing wonderful?

[Melo]

Yet again the thread ends up assuming a variety of things based on previous assumptions. It's a fun read, though.

[Barney.S]

I always bring my pepsi and popcorn whenever I decide to return to this topic every few days. :D

[Yoko Kurama]

Yet again the thread ends up assuming a variety of things based on previous assumptions. It's a fun read, though.

 

What things are we assuming?

[Melo]

For example: Some are suggesting that Jagex intended to give players all the benefits of the 500k threshold regardless of the outcome. This was based, if I'm not mistaken, on the 'fact' that Jagex had done the same thing with the Wilderness poll. If this is not an assumption in your book, then I'm afraid what I can do to convince you.

[Sy_Accursed]

For example: Some are suggesting that Jagex intended to give players all the benefits of the 500k threshold regardless of the outcome. This was based, if I'm not mistaken, on the 'fact' that Jagex had done the same thing with the Wilderness poll. If this is not an assumption in your book, then I'm afraid what I can do to convince you.

 

Note quite true.

It was based on the fact that tier was the most viable business model to make continued gains from.

Then add in sudden move to front page, in-game ads and heaps of social media spamming when the vote started to flat-line

Then add in that the 750k tier was basically entirely moved down to 500k tier when it became obvious it would not get that high.

Then add in that even though the poll was 'to gauge interest to looking into doing it' they suddenly spent a mass of time and delayed TWW to get servers live as the vote dipped again.

Then add in with the vote still flagging they said in QAs if it got within around 20k of a tier they'd do it anyway.

Then suddenly despite being 50k short of the 'no extra charge model' its suddenly free for 6 months.

 

Yes it is somewhat assumption based - but all the evidence points to Jagex doing everything they possibly could've (short of adding fake votes) to make the top tier 'no extra charge' model happen because there is a very clear chain of PR moves that altered the original conditions of the poll and all worked to push towards the top tier stuff, after it was moved down to 500k

[muggiwhplar]

Apparently Jagex is being deceptive as always. No surprises there. Oh well, I've been having a BLAST in 07scape. Don't really care about Jagex drama, especially now that I can play the next 6 months for free :D

 

Pretty much done playing EOC, minus PoPs. I just don't like the direction and focus of that game. I'd rather kill other players than kill monsters.

[PoorLepRecon]

Yeah I'm loving my time in RS07. Unlocked fairy rings earlier today, and began training my magic. Excited to not walk around as much!

[Melo]

For example: Some are suggesting that Jagex intended to give players all the benefits of the 500k threshold regardless of the outcome. This was based, if I'm not mistaken, on the 'fact' that Jagex had done the same thing with the Wilderness poll. If this is not an assumption in your book, then I'm afraid what I can do to convince you.

 

Note quite true.

It was based on the fact that tier was the most viable business model to make continued gains from.

Then add in sudden move to front page, in-game ads and heaps of social media spamming when the vote started to flat-line

Then add in that the 750k tier was basically entirely moved down to 500k tier when it became obvious it would not get that high.

Then add in that even though the poll was 'to gauge interest to looking into doing it' they suddenly spent a mass of time and delayed TWW to get servers live as the vote dipped again.

Then add in with the vote still flagging they said in QAs if it got within around 20k of a tier they'd do it anyway.

Then suddenly despite being 50k short of the 'no extra charge model' its suddenly free for 6 months.

 

Yes it is somewhat assumption based - but all the evidence points to Jagex doing everything they possibly could've (short of adding fake votes) to make the top tier 'no extra charge' model happen because there is a very clear chain of PR moves that altered the original conditions of the poll and all worked to push towards the top tier stuff, after it was moved down to 500k

I certainly agree that it seems as though Jagex wanted as many votes as possible. There is, in fact, not a single piece of direct evidence that Jagex has been rigging the votes (not saying you're saying so) or had planned the outcome of the vote. I would be very careful to make either of these statements come off as absolute truths, which is what it seems certain people are doing.

[muggiwhplar]

Anybody want to help me finish Shades of Mort'ton? It seems that no worlds have been established for that minigame yet :\

[Fallstar]

I'm having a great time in the 07 servers. It's nice to see most of my friends actually being excited about the game again. From my friends, the general attitude was basically that they've given up on the game, including some people with 2-3B+ xp. It's nice to have a positive atmosphere about the game again, compared to the cesspit of negativity that surrounds EoCscape.

[Ginger_Warrior]

I wouldn't have said that your perception of EoCscape as a "cesspit of negativity" is shared by myself or most of my own friends, but then I suppose this is a debate that largely centres around your own personal perspective.

 

If that's what you and your friends feel, then more power to you and I hope you enjoy 07scape. I wouldn't feel so confident that you speak for most RuneScapers, though. Perhaps half at best, with a significant proportion of that half also playing EoCscape simultaneously to 07scape.

[Fallstar]

Oh I know, I was only claiming to speak for a very limited group of people who aren't at all representative of modern RS as a whole. I do still play EoCscape - still finishing off comp requirements and definitely want to do the new quest. But I'm finishing comp stuff off because I'm 98% of the way there and it seems a shame not to go the whole way, not because I really want it.

 

I would question the half at best statement however. Using the playercount right now, 53K online in total, of whom 24k are on 07 scape. And some of those on 07 scape are doing afk activities on EoCscape as well. But the main point is that if you visit any bot forum, there are currently no working bot clients for 2007 scape. All the bot sites need to develop a new API for it first (whatever one of those is, they make it sound like a big deal). I'm sure a very small number of people have their own personal clients, but the vast majority of players on 07scape right now are just that - players. If you subtract the bots from the 29k EoCscape count, I doubt you'd still have over 24k.

 

Edit: On a completely unrelated side not, whilst I was looking through the bot forums, I found this thread

 

 

Found it slightly amusing that even botters are nostalgic :)

[Kimberly]

One thing that I see mentioned is that they brought out advertising for the poll only when it started to go bad. Does anyone truly believe that they honestly never would've advertised it, at all, on any of their outlets no matter how the poll was faring? Advertising it was pretty much a given since they do it for everything, and to call that as a means of denouncing the whole thing always seemed...really...really strange to me.

[MotherBrainII]

One thing that I see mentioned is that they brought out advertising for the poll only when it started to go bad. Does anyone truly believe that they honestly never would've advertised it, at all, on any of their outlets no matter how the poll was faring?

 

No, just that they wouldn't have advertised it as over-the-top aggressively. There was always going to be advertising, sure. I just never expected them to create a giant banner covering the front page, create two huge buttons on the main site layout encouraging people to vote (as opposed to encouraging them to decide whether to vote), cover the news feed exclusively in posts about 07scape for well over a week (go look at the archives; IIRC, 14 of the last 16 posts were about old school, one of the others was about a bot nuke and the one remainder was an admittedly excellent quest teaser), do much the same thing in just about every social media outlet imaginable and also add an obnoxious pop-up on login that (presumably due to a bug) couldn't be permanently disabled.

[Sy_Accursed]

One thing that I see mentioned is that they brought out advertising for the poll only when it started to go bad. Does anyone truly believe that they honestly never would've advertised it, at all, on any of their outlets no matter how the poll was faring? Advertising it was pretty much a given since they do it for everything, and to call that as a means of denouncing the whole thing always seemed...really...really strange to me.

 

The thing is:

It already had a news post.

It already had semi-regular tweets and fb posts.

It already had youtube videos going up.

There was clearly an ongoing program of advertisement there.

 

Then all of a sudden right as the poll was almost dead:

Counter moved to front page with a button that insta-voted; not even going to the info page it just voted if you clicked it.

In-game banner ad

In-game pop up ad

Facebook and twitter utterly swamped in posts about it.

Loads of news posts about it.

 

The point people are making isn't that they brought out advertisements - they were already there - it's the fact that there was a very sudden, very noticeable avalanche of advertisements at the exact time the poll was flatlining combined with the front page button that was sort of slightly underhand in that it insta-voted without even directing people to the info page before hand.

[PolarBearBlue]

Oh I know, I was only claiming to speak for a very limited group of people who aren't at all representative of modern RS as a whole. I do still play EoCscape - still finishing off comp requirements and definitely want to do the new quest. But I'm finishing comp stuff off because I'm 98% of the way there and it seems a shame not to go the whole way, not because I really want it.

 

I would question the half at best statement however. Using the playercount right now, 53K online in total, of whom 24k are on 07 scape. And some of those on 07 scape are doing afk activities on EoCscape as well. But the main point is that if you visit any bot forum, there are currently no working bot clients for 2007 scape. All the bot sites need to develop a new API for it first (whatever one of those is, they make it sound like a big deal). I'm sure a very small number of people have their own personal clients, but the vast majority of players on 07scape right now are just that - players. If you subtract the bots from the 29k EoCscape count, I doubt you'd still have over 24k.

 

Edit: On a completely unrelated side not, whilst I was looking through the bot forums, I found this thread

 

 

Found it slightly amusing that even botters are nostalgic :)

 

In the same way you argue that 2k7 player are afking on 2k13, I'm sure some are afking on 2k7 while actively enjoying the other. I would have to say this change has made the main game more positive as well. The player who truly dislike EoC have left, given a few still remain, but their numbers are small and they only wish to engage in some type of trolling. It's true that for the time there are no bots in 2k7, but in the main game we have seen how quickly bots return after Jagex introduce new bot tech into the game. We won't be able to say 2k7 is bot free for very long. Jagex will really have to start becoming creative.

[Kimberly]

I don't know, from everything we've seen about their advertising tactics, I have a hard time thinking the only reason the avalanche, as you put it, existed was because of flat-lining. Restraint has never been their strong point with advertising in the least, and we've seen far more evidence of that than anything else. But I guess that's just me.

[Ginger_Warrior]

The perception was more due to timing. In the first week of the poll, there was very little in the way of advertising, and precious little progress in the poll. It didn't look like it would make even 250K. Then suddenly a week later, they started their aggressive advertising on the website, through social media and through pop-ups in game, and if I remember correctly, the votes went up to 20K/4hr at one point.

 

The criticism is not of advertising itself, but using it as a means to justify a position retrospectively, and specifically using it to endorse a poll which was initially laid out as an altruistic attempt to gauge public attitude towards a return of 2007scape.

[Sy_Accursed]

I don't know, from everything we've seen about their advertising tactics, I have a hard time thinking the only reason the avalanche, as you put it, existed was because of flat-lining. Restraint has never been their strong point with advertising in the least, and we've seen far more evidence of that than anything else. But I guess that's just me.

 

I see where your coming from, but that is ind of isolating the advertisement point from the bigger picture.

 

There's also the context that this avalanche period coincided with Jagex quietly changing the tiers moving practically all of the 750k tier to 500k and some of 500k to 250k, which in of itself suggests they wanted it to reach these higher factors.

Then there's also the factor that after voting picked up again advertising suddenly eased off again until the exact point at which it started flatlining again.

At which point, despite the original thing being 'a poll to gauge interest to look into doing it', we suddenly had 'we are working to try and get a server up right now! It could come out early for voters'.

Then when that only made a small bump there was a sudden amendment a few days later to say they'd have it up and running in a matter of days.

 

Certainly a surge of advertising alone doesn't mean much, but the fact it neatly coincided with the vote flatlining and parameters being altered makes it a bit suspect to Jagex worrying about underperformance - even more so when in the even larger picture Jagex repeated sudden bursts of PR at times when the vote was flatlining.

[Fallstar]

 

In the same way you argue that 2k7 player are afking on 2k13, I'm sure some are afking on 2k7 while actively enjoying the other. I would have to say this change has made the main game more positive as well. The player who truly dislike EoC have left, given a few still remain, but their numbers are small and they only wish to engage in some type of trolling. It's true that for the time there are no bots in 2k7, but in the main game we have seen how quickly bots return after Jagex introduce new bot tech into the game. We won't be able to say 2k7 is bot free for very long. Jagex will really have to start becoming creative.

 

No, you can afk for several minutes at a time on eocscape cooking rocktails or at Artisans Workshop, or cutting ivy. Players on 07 scape actually have to play the game, I went afk whilst smelting bars for a minute the other day and ended up in Lumbridge. In addition to death actually meaning something in 07scape, the lack of so many make X options and the ability to actually get greater rewards for putting greater effort in using efficient skilling methods (which Jagex has killed in modern RS) all encourage people to pay attention and actually play the 07 servers whilst afking the EoC game. There is no punishement for afking in the EoC game, and very few skills reward you for paying attention any more. (Faster rocktails using the new interface is all I can think of)

 

As for the bot thing, yes the bot developers will eventually come up with something that will take Jagex several months and broken promises to fix for two weeks. I was simply pointing out that the number of actual players on the EoC is inflated atm compared to the people playing 07.

[Arcley]

Certainly a surge of advertising alone doesn't mean much, but the fact it neatly coincided with the vote flatlining and parameters being altered makes it a bit suspect to Jagex worrying about underperformance

That's just conspiracy theories, it's reasonable that advertising increased the voting rate rather than the other way around. Of course they'd get the poll up before they start adding links to it everywhere.

 

Yes, the poll is fishy, these polls always are (even stuff like Portal 2 early release promotion was fishy), and pop-ups are annoying (when will I be able to hide that stupid goblin?!), but these points in no way invalidate the level of interest people have expressed in the old servers.

[Omali]

 

 

Found it slightly amusing that even botters are nostalgic :)

 

"I programmed my bot to appreciate asthetics, and he says the new layout is awful."