Hmmm...Cannons grant no hp experience i do believe so :wink: Of all players i think that i would know this the best would i not? :P If i continue pointlessly trying for a no trimmed slayer cape ill be pretty high up on this list :wink: i was talking to a 99 slayer ( freind of mine) and we talked about Slayer Cape untrimmed.. and well, you will only see 2 of these in Rs, in the manual and in shilo village. Think about it, its not possible to not have another 99, unless you recoil all your monsters... and well slayer with normal killing takes around 14 months.. so recoiling woul be like... 3-4 years? of nolifing. it would be possible to do if you started a new char and only used dwarf cannon and attack / def / str till 98 hp and 98 range from there using recoils / lamps/ tears till 99 theoretically it is possible practically ... i doubt it will ever happen EDIT: for example look up renez ... 86 slayer with no other stats higher then 86 if he kept doing what he is doing he could get the 99 slayer cape first and be the only/ first to get untrimed I'm kinda wondering how you use tears, if you want to get untrimmed slayercape?