TheAncient

major change is that obby shields are comparable to DFS against ranged that hits ~500 I ment concerning Dung shields alone. dg shield stats haven't changed at all. lol. dg shields arent "sht". cks is only like ~10% worse than ely vs ranged; fks is a worse version of arc (but still very good for mages); eeks is a worse version of spec (but still very good anti-mage)

major change is that obby shields are comparable to DFS against ranged that hits ~500

No: that max hit is reduced 30%, but your OVERALL reduction is much more complicated to calculate. you have to average the hit reduction for all possible hits you could receive to find the OVERALL reduction. this calculation is shown in the other thread your overall reduction will be somewhere around 10% probably.

the important value is ~20%; above 20% soak, rapier is almost definitively better than CLS; below 20%, CLS is slightly better

bumped this thread in light of the new update.

This question has already been answered in this thread. 1% soak rating is approximately 1.5 defense points. This actually makes obby/tok shields about equal, if not better than, DFS against ranged. even mystic will destroy you wielding an EEKS. you need at least 100 magic defense, if not 150+, to defend properly against a mage. 26 mage defense is nothing. this soak update doesn't really change that much.

Oh here you go again. Barrows Melee Armour Melee soak 10% + Farseer 14% = 24% 300hit (300-200) = 24 off (8%) 400hit (400-200) = 48 off (12%) 500hit (500-200) = 72 off (~14%) and so on where the limit is 24% obviously... OVERALL damage soak does not equal damage soaked ONLY at max hit i averaged damage soak over all values from 0 to max hit, for each max hit value shown on the graph. do not criticize something you do not understand

OVERALL damage soak vs max hit of opponent for 30% soak value - only aroundd 6-7% overall damage reduction jagex applies a weak update jagex kills prices on a few good items because of KB fail jagex makes obby shield better than DFS against ranged

failed update

whether or not it is illegal i have no idea but jagex's macro detection system definitely pays attention to when any clicks occur in some predictable pattern so i'd advise against it

My point was neither of them (those two) show armor updates, just the new hitsplats.

Just making it clear, since the posted image only shows hitsplat update. lol.

yeah this is exactly why i brought up the question. i got the question from that guide, but i'm pretty sure the guide uses muggi as a source of info - but muggi did pvp a long time ago so i dont know if 1) it's accurate and 2) even if it was accurate, is it still accurate today?

I've read that the ancient spells all have different accuracy. anyone confirm or deny? also do shadow spells stack in effect ?

So it works on unicorns, but does it work with a pack yak? Also what's with all the summoning potions? Spirit cape basically makes summ pots into brews. W/o summ cape they heal 3*150 = 450; after spirit cape they heal something like 4*150=600. Summ pots are actually a bit better than brew OR food because: you can still attack while drinking pot doses (better than food) you don't get combat penalties (better than brew) brews are still better for tanking specs though since the healing is immediate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruB62YfkUFE Spirit Cape is really good :thumbup:... properly used, maybe even better than an ely. idk i even beat some person with a divine And lol, I'm rusty :shame:

If that's the case, get that OP. Rune crossbow with a 33% increase would be much more useful in so many more situations. just to be clear, it's "up to". most likely will be less, but it's definitely a noticeable increase. also, soul wars - unless you like to DG, DON'T risk chaotic. you never know what will happen to your connection.

lol at this thread totally derailing OP i think your question is more or less answered. can we agree that: bow > staff > shields or in some cases bow > cks > staff > fks for general usefulness?

Fury karils>arma when meleeing arma is easily lost melee is more important than ranged

Why? I think this method opens up the potential to all 5 people exploring at the same time. Storing that in one person's memory is almost impossible.

The problem with using it on 117/148 is that it requires google accounts to use, which not everyone has. also i don't know how i feel about other people being able to see my google account name.

Just put google docs in one window and your RS client in the other. you can have both open simultaneously. alt tab is a quick way of switching screens too.

Google Spreadsheets is a powerful way to share real-time information in spreadsheet format. Spreadsheets are a good way of recording positions of doors in dungeoneering. Typically a keyer could make an 8x8 spreadsheet and write down key doors in their approximate positions of the doors. It is possible for 5 people to simultaneously edit one spreadsheet document. Therefore, it is theoretically possible for an entire dungeoneering team to be on the same google spreadsheet to record key doors. Would you expect, for perm teams and groups of friends, that Google Spreadsheets would be a powerful way of collectively recording key doors? In addition, it would be easy to share what doors and positions people have gated. This method could make the keyer's duty of having to find doors greatly simpler. In addition, it would be very easy for the keyer to tell a member of the team to run to a door. This method could possibly greatly improve the overall team's ability to run keys, gate doors, and explore the floor during non-GD downtimes. That is, instead of idling or skilling when GD's are not up, people could instead all explore doors at the same time. The major downside of this, of course, would be the fact that editing and maintaining the spreadsheet would be difficult and possibly time-consuming. However, if one is smart about when to record (i.e. while killing monsters in a GD or while running around), the time issue can partly be solved. Moreover, only the important doors and information should be written down. Alt/tab and opening two windows at once is a good way to have both screens visible simultaneously.

of course there are a lot of exceptions to the overall rank i posted, but in general i think it holds also, a curses mage/range hybrid that flashes SS will pretty much definitely beat a modern mage/range hybrid augury is basically useless.

cls is the middle ground between maul and rapier for safe melée pvp before the soak update cls was slightly better than rapier. after the update it will be worse than rapier. this was shown already