27 March 2007 - What Lies Below

[Hevendor_Guy]

Is it just me or is this quest pretty much useless?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1) Abyss is still faster than the "shortcut" even though you go through wild.

 

 

 

2) Lunar ring is better than the ring you get from the quest :anxious:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So basically, it's pretty much just for some xp and getting back your quest cape ...Great one Jagex, let us down again, no graphic update (:x), no new runecrafting (couldn't really expect that but still), nothin. :|

[Justthefr00b]

Yeah, the quest was a let down, all it gave was the Runecrafting experience and the defence experience. The only thing I enjoyed was the music during the last fight. Which I don't remember the name of =(

[Mirror]

Hey come on, the runecrafting exp is an excellent amount. Beats running so much to get that exp.

[Artemis1330]

 

 

Wow you lot are whiners...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe Jagex only releasing few and far between updates for higher levels is good? It is an update at least, be thankful for that. :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thankful for what? Only a few hundred people will even use this update, for the rest of us all Jagex did was implement more lag. For the past 4 years all I've seen them do is implement lag actually...There were maybe, 15? Good updates I can remember. Jagex are unbelievably stupid to make an update like this instead of Blood or Soul Crafting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If the April Behind the Scenes sucks, I will most definately quit. I've been hoping for way too long for them to add high leveled equipment, and was almost positive they would have done it when 2007 started...Apparently not. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I might not be as high level as you or as far along exp wise, but I still find new ways of entertaining myself. I understand many players want Jagex to make more higher level updates, myself wouldn't mind something more challenging to bite my teeth into. However, until they do I think it is demoralising to keep our minds on it. If we concentrate on something else, then we might get a pleasant surprise when Jagex releases an update worthy of the more experienced players.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If the game was free, I might agree. However, seeing as I PAY for jagex to introduce new USEFULL updates, I won't sit back and say "omg thanks jagex for doing something!" when that something is a load of garbage. This is one reason why many high level players(high total OR combat) quit-they get high skills but nothing to do with them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Instead, what does jagex do? rake in cash from autoers and gps farmers, tease us with hints at good updates then give garbage, and ignore high level/long time players.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hey come on, the runecrafting exp is an excellent amount. Beats running so much to get that exp.

Honestly, no it does not. To get that exp without the quest would take 15-30 min of abyss crafting. Just fills the game with yet another forgotten area.

[darkblob0]

wow this update looks like a real disapointment

[Ts_Stormrage]

Yeah, the quest was a let down, all it gave was the Runecrafting experience and the defence experience. The only thing I enjoyed was the music during the last fight. Which I don't remember the name of =(

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It doesnt have a name, i checked... it was called adventure which is the standard music for Varrock Palace as far as i care...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Its like the music you hear when entering the school in Dorges-Khaan, no name to that music, not even in the music list.... just a catchy tune... :)

[Aquashock]

Is noone here seeing the option of a FAST FREE DOUBLE CHAOS company?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chaos runes ARE used, and in somem pretty common spells too:

 

 

 

Ice, Blood, Smoke and Shadow Rush and Burst (8 spells)

 

 

 

Crumble Undead (in the Temple Trekking minigame its pretty powerfull)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That and it can be sold for Tokkul to get yourself a nice onyx gem.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This would be used by low-mid lvl people who cant be bothered making chaos runes or the money for it, and would be crafted by lvl 75+ runecrafters for double chaos...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know 1 person who'd be a crafter :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I personally get alot of chaos from barrows. One can get about 30k in a week if you try.

[chris1216]

What is with you sissy whiners?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1) Jagex never made a SINGLE HINT that this quest would have anything to do with blood or soul crafting, and it's been plainly accepted (by the smart ones among you, of which there are too few) that blood crafting will come with the end of the Morytania storyline and soul crafting will most likely come with the end of the Elf storyline

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2) I'll take the runecrafting exp reward any day

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3) Defining updates as "good" or "useful" by your own definitions of "makes getting a lvl 99 or 10m in cash in one day possible" gets you nowhere

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4) Stop setting your expectations so high and crying and moaning every time a "instant-lvl-99-button" update doesn't come out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I mean come on, if you're going to let a mid level quest get your panties in a twist, i can only imagine what happens when mommy accidentally burns your toast in the morning.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Next time, before you moan like this is the rant forums on rsof (feel free to go there next time you tear up) consider that this ---> :boohoo: <--- pretty well sums up how much anyone cares

[warlordsagan]

I had my hopes up for blood runes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

O well :boohoo:

[Saru Inc]

What a boring update... Oh well, it'll get me to a another RC level.

[wakka102]

 

 

 

Wow you lot are whiners...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe Jagex only releasing few and far between updates for higher levels is good? It is an update at least, be thankful for that. :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thankful for what? Only a few hundred people will even use this update, for the rest of us all Jagex did was implement more lag. For the past 4 years all I've seen them do is implement lag actually...There were maybe, 15? Good updates I can remember. Jagex are unbelievably stupid to make an update like this instead of Blood or Soul Crafting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If the April Behind the Scenes sucks, I will most definately quit. I've been hoping for way too long for them to add high leveled equipment, and was almost positive they would have done it when 2007 started...Apparently not. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I might not be as high level as you or as far along exp wise, but I still find new ways of entertaining myself. I understand many players want Jagex to make more higher level updates, myself wouldn't mind something more challenging to bite my teeth into. However, until they do I think it is demoralising to keep our minds on it. If we concentrate on something else, then we might get a pleasant surprise when Jagex releases an update worthy of the more experienced players.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If the game was free, I might agree. However, seeing as I PAY for jagex to introduce new USEFULL updates, I won't sit back and say "omg thanks jagex for doing something!" when that something is a load of garbage. This is one reason why many high level players(high total OR combat) quit-they get high skills but nothing to do with them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Instead, what does jagex do? rake in cash from autoers and gps farmers, tease us with hints at good updates then give garbage, and ignore high level/long time players.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hey come on, the runecrafting exp is an excellent amount. Beats running so much to get that exp.

Honestly, no it does not. To get that exp without the quest would take 15-30 min of abyss crafting. Just fills the game with yet another forgotten area.

Sorry but if you need updates to keep you playing then you might as well quit, this game doesn't revolve around new updates. If Jagex released some outstanding update every week or even every month the markets would be going crazy with new items coming in, one week a new armor would come out that is totally sweet and the next a new one would come out causing the previous one to crash. I think the game is evolving at a steady rate and I like it. jagex seems to release a couple of awesome, game altering updates every year and thats a good pace to do it at. I get really sick of logging onto these forums everytime an update comes out to read spammy messages of people saying "0mg JAgex!!111 Y0U reLeased an0the3r n00b upd0t3!!!!11" it's not like every week (or even every month) you're going to get something outstanding. Enjoy what the game has to offer NOW instead of waiting on the FUTURE.

[Lep]

All Jagex has to do is release a batch of level 80 and 90 armor/weapons into the game and then I'll be happy, won't give a crap about any other updates, though low levels obviously will. I think Runescape is the only mmorpg game out there that doesn't have stuff for when you get a higher level. :|

[Abyssalwhip]

 

 

 

 

Wow you lot are whiners...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe Jagex only releasing few and far between updates for higher levels is good? It is an update at least, be thankful for that. :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thankful for what? Only a few hundred people will even use this update, for the rest of us all Jagex did was implement more lag. For the past 4 years all I've seen them do is implement lag actually...There were maybe, 15? Good updates I can remember. Jagex are unbelievably stupid to make an update like this instead of Blood or Soul Crafting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If the April Behind the Scenes sucks, I will most definately quit. I've been hoping for way too long for them to add high leveled equipment, and was almost positive they would have done it when 2007 started...Apparently not. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I might not be as high level as you or as far along exp wise, but I still find new ways of entertaining myself. I understand many players want Jagex to make more higher level updates, myself wouldn't mind something more challenging to bite my teeth into. However, until they do I think it is demoralising to keep our minds on it. If we concentrate on something else, then we might get a pleasant surprise when Jagex releases an update worthy of the more experienced players.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If the game was free, I might agree. However, seeing as I PAY for jagex to introduce new USEFULL updates, I won't sit back and say "omg thanks jagex for doing something!" when that something is a load of garbage. This is one reason why many high level players(high total OR combat) quit-they get high skills but nothing to do with them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Instead, what does jagex do? rake in cash from autoers and gps farmers, tease us with hints at good updates then give garbage, and ignore high level/long time players.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hey come on, the runecrafting exp is an excellent amount. Beats running so much to get that exp.

Honestly, no it does not. To get that exp without the quest would take 15-30 min of abyss crafting. Just fills the game with yet another forgotten area.

Sorry but if you need updates to keep you playing then you might as well quit, this game doesn't revolve around new updates. If Jagex released some outstanding update every week or even every month the markets would be going crazy with new items coming in, one week a new armor would come out that is totally sweet and the next a new one would come out causing the previous one to crash. I think the game is evolving at a steady rate and I like it. jagex seems to release a couple of awesome, game altering updates every year and thats a good pace to do it at. I get really sick of logging onto these forums everytime an update comes out to read spammy messages of people saying "0mg JAgex!!111 Y0U reLeased an0the3r n00b upd0t3!!!!11" it's not like every week (or even every month) you're going to get something outstanding. Enjoy what the game has to offer NOW instead of waiting on the FUTURE.

Yes but don't you see? Before jagex had awsome updates, our world (or at least mine) doesn't revolve around them, it just seems that they're focusing on lower levels and not higher. Lets see let's go through this month and february.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The great brain robbery

 

 

 

- Kind of low level but good reward until they tweaked it 3 times

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Burgh de rott ramble

 

 

 

- Very stupid and low level update.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cave goblin

 

 

 

- For all levels but useless

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Today

 

 

 

- You're kidding right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

February

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fremennik isles

 

 

 

Ok a high level update

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A squirk a day.

 

 

 

All levels

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Shadow sword

 

 

 

Low level

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tower of life

 

 

 

Low

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now lets look at past years at good updates

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

RFD

 

 

 

Desert treasure

 

 

 

Pest control (flame me don't care)

 

 

 

TzHaar

 

 

 

Legends

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There's my point.

[Atroxide]

Is noone here seeing the option of a FAST FREE DOUBLE CHAOS company?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chaos runes ARE used, and in somem pretty common spells too:

 

 

 

Ice, Blood, Smoke and Shadow Rush and Burst (8 spells)

 

 

 

Crumble Undead (in the Temple Trekking minigame its pretty powerfull)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That and it can be sold for Tokkul to get yourself a nice onyx gem.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This would be used by low-mid lvl people who cant be bothered making chaos runes or the money for it, and would be crafted by lvl 75+ runecrafters for double chaos...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know 1 person who'd be a crafter :)

 

 

 

Wouldn't work,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. pure ess cost more the chaos runes lol.

 

 

 

2. all runners have to do a quest.

 

 

 

3. if your using pure ess might as well do laws on 66. so only those under 66 would craft for this.

 

 

 

4.would probably be faster cash to mine pure ess then to run for chaos runes lol

[wakka102]

All Jagex has to do is release a batch of level 80 and 90 armor into the game and then I'll be happy, won't give a crap about any other updates, though low levels obviously will. I think Runescape is the only mmorpg game out there that doesn't have stuff for when you get a higher level. :|

however most MMO's I've played don't take that long to get high level in. You can pretty much master an WOW character in a couple of months if you play alot (from what my friends say and info I've collected) however you can't say that about runescape.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

People need to reolize that if Jagex put out some insane update every week or month it would probably destroy the game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let's say jagex one month releases some armor that is stronger then barrows. Everyone is all in a frenzy, paying high prices for the item and everyone is there trying to devise ways of getting the armor from whenever it is located.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The next month roles around..What is this?! a new armor that is a few points in defence higher?!?! The market for the previous item crashes and this item is high in price, everyone moves to it. This repeats for the next couple of months until there are tons of different types of armors on the market. The prices get all out of whack from this and cause the armor economy to collapse.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This sort of idea could be placed into almost any skill.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My point being, if jagex makes great "n0n3 n00b" updates every month, were going to run out of room for expansion very quickly, Jagex is going to run out of ideas and space to fit things in (not terrain but level requirements etc) and the game will die.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is my philosophy on the matter.

[wakka102]

 

 

 

 

 

Wow you lot are whiners...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe Jagex only releasing few and far between updates for higher levels is good? It is an update at least, be thankful for that. :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thankful for what? Only a few hundred people will even use this update, for the rest of us all Jagex did was implement more lag. For the past 4 years all I've seen them do is implement lag actually...There were maybe, 15? Good updates I can remember. Jagex are unbelievably stupid to make an update like this instead of Blood or Soul Crafting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If the April Behind the Scenes sucks, I will most definately quit. I've been hoping for way too long for them to add high leveled equipment, and was almost positive they would have done it when 2007 started...Apparently not. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I might not be as high level as you or as far along exp wise, but I still find new ways of entertaining myself. I understand many players want Jagex to make more higher level updates, myself wouldn't mind something more challenging to bite my teeth into. However, until they do I think it is demoralising to keep our minds on it. If we concentrate on something else, then we might get a pleasant surprise when Jagex releases an update worthy of the more experienced players.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If the game was free, I might agree. However, seeing as I PAY for jagex to introduce new USEFULL updates, I won't sit back and say "omg thanks jagex for doing something!" when that something is a load of garbage. This is one reason why many high level players(high total OR combat) quit-they get high skills but nothing to do with them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Instead, what does jagex do? rake in cash from autoers and gps farmers, tease us with hints at good updates then give garbage, and ignore high level/long time players.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hey come on, the runecrafting exp is an excellent amount. Beats running so much to get that exp.

Honestly, no it does not. To get that exp without the quest would take 15-30 min of abyss crafting. Just fills the game with yet another forgotten area.

Sorry but if you need updates to keep you playing then you might as well quit, this game doesn't revolve around new updates. If Jagex released some outstanding update every week or even every month the markets would be going crazy with new items coming in, one week a new armor would come out that is totally sweet and the next a new one would come out causing the previous one to crash. I think the game is evolving at a steady rate and I like it. jagex seems to release a couple of awesome, game altering updates every year and thats a good pace to do it at. I get really sick of logging onto these forums everytime an update comes out to read spammy messages of people saying "0mg JAgex!!111 Y0U reLeased an0the3r n00b upd0t3!!!!11" it's not like every week (or even every month) you're going to get something outstanding. Enjoy what the game has to offer NOW instead of waiting on the FUTURE.

Yes but don't you see? Before jagex had awsome updates, our world (or at least mine) doesn't revolve around them, it just seems that they're focusing on lower levels and not higher. Lets see let's go through this month and february.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The great brain robbery

 

 

 

- Kind of low level but good reward until they tweaked it 3 times

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Burgh de rott ramble

 

 

 

- Very stupid and low level update.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cave goblin

 

 

 

- For all levels but useless

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Today

 

 

 

- You're kidding right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

February

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fremennik isles

 

 

 

Ok a high level update

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A squirk a day.

 

 

 

All levels

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Shadow sword

 

 

 

Low level

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tower of life

 

 

 

Low

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now lets look at past years at good updates

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

RFD

 

 

 

Desert treasure

 

 

 

Pest control (flame me don't care)

 

 

 

TzHaar

 

 

 

Legends

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There's my point.

the good updates you said were very few, and they were spread over many years. Not every update Jagex makes is bad yet people complain about every bad update that comes along. I don't understand why people can't enjoy the game as it is now? jagex has not forgotten it and has shown us that with things like you stated. Some of those are not that old. They have also released 99 capes. If you read my other post you'll see my philosophy on what bad can come from too many good updates.

[Macmaster92]

I was disapointed a little bit. They could have at least updated Varrock.

 

 

 

I think the things that makes people mad most of the time is when Jagex hints to somthing huge ande then gives us somthing pretty pointless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One point i would like to make out is that we as humans naturally don't like to change our ways for just anything. What that means is that most people will not take the shortcut to chaos alter and change their ways for somthing so small.

[meb]

Wakka, I believe you are missing the point here; we don't ask for "uber p00n4g3 h4wt stoof" every week. What we do want is updates that don't revolve around giving the medium level players another moderately useful update. We want content that gives us a challene or a goal of some sort. How hard can it be to add a lvl 85 tree or something, or perhaps a quest with a difficult puzzle like ME2. No, we get a quest that can be finished by talking to 3 people and a useless potion that can be made at level 60.

 

 

 

And of course runescape doesn't revolve around next week's update, but a nice surprise for those with 84 in some skill and a new reason to get 90 in another skill could make a lot of players happy. At the moment it's just waiting for the next dissapointment and teh knowledge you'll waste another hour keeping that quest cape on your back.

[Artemis_42]

Hehe, just got a cool glitch. After beating up Roald with my anchor and veiwing the cutseen, I now seem to hold in with one hand like you would in a free server.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even if I attack something it does the normal attack animation and then reverts back to holding it one handed.

[wakka102]

Wakka, I believe you are missing the point here; we don't ask for "uber p00n4g3 h4wt stoof" every week. What we do want is updates that don't revolve around giving the medium level players another moderately useful update. We want content that gives us a challene or a goal of some sort. How hard can it be to add a lvl 85 tree or something, or perhaps a quest with a difficult puzzle like ME2. No, we get a quest that can be finished by talking to 3 people and a useless potion that can be made at level 60.

 

 

 

And of course runescape doesn't revolve around next week's update, but a nice surprise for those with 84 in some skill and a new reason to get 90 in another skill could make a lot of players happy. At the moment it's just waiting for the next dissapointment and teh knowledge you'll waste another hour keeping that quest cape on your back.

And they do those things. They give updates to people in the 90's. Look at ancient magics for instance. A level 85 tree would be something pretty big, it would mean a new type of log which would highly effect the fming and fletching markets. This is one of those updates that I refer to as "a few times a year". I don't see how I missed the point at all. If Jagex made lots of updates in the 90's very rapidly we'd run out of expansion all together.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good updates come, just not as often as alot of people seem to want .

[Blue_Eggz]

Ring of bacon!!!! O:)

[whiteboy1102]

Hehe, just got a cool glitch. After beating up Roald with my anchor and veiwing the cutseen, I now seem to hold in with one hand like you would in a free server.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even if I attack something it does the normal attack animation and then reverts back to holding it one handed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

now that I look at it it looks like a kunai knife and a pick axe combined.

[Sumpta]

I can't believe all this negativity... For heaven's sake, it's a quest. The gameplay does not hinge on quests. Never has, as far as I am aware, like it or not. Why is everybody always setting so much store in the updates? Quit expecting all these grand things, you're just bound to be disappointed. Edit: read the posts above, and I agree with Wakka. Jagex does give good high level updates, a few times a year. Sadly, people seem to forget all about them after a week, few weeks at the most.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It cannot be easy to juggle between the needs of your loyal long time and high leveled players and the masses of mid-level new blood. Jagex does deserve some respect and understanding for this constant balancing problem.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When I was catching up doing all the quests when I became a member, I remember looking for the quests with a good RC reward. I was pretty happy with the 8k xp now, as it got me another level in my most dreaded skill. Don't like it, don't do it.

[arcanum]

Sigh yet another low lvl quest. It would be nice for them to make one that is rough.

[danmull2009]

I think this could possibly be a great quest. I have not did it yet, but it could release some information that has been held for a time.